Mike Portnoy on wanting to rejoin Dream Theater

[MoraWintersoul]

As far as I am concerned, and I think all my posts on the forum reflect that, I always try to be sympathetic of Mike's feelings or situation and excuse whatever he said or did in my head, I'm just tired of repeatedly having to do that. It's not as much his fault, as the fault of the people who spread whatever he said about DT as wildfire. But that is obligatory seeing how the DT fanbase is connected over several channels, so it would be far less painful if hinting at whatever unpleasant events that have happened would stop. I know this is a futile wish but it's been two years already.

[Kotowboy]

It seems most apperant that there are a number of forumers that are going to take every opportunity to point out every mis-step or percieved mis-step that Portnoy does and beat it into the ground dig it up and beat it some more. If you dislike his actions so much, why the need to comment? Of course this all goes away once he comes in and comments, and you all trip over yourselves to be first in line to lick his balls. 

This is a forum, we can't only praise everything DT-related you know.
Once we think he is happy and moving on, he does something that rekindles the criticism. And it's the attitude that is the most annoying to me. If he is honest and open as he says, he should tell the whole story. It's not the first time he implies bad things about his former bandmates, the accusations of plagiarism are the best example.

I wouldn't be a sycophant if Portnoy showed up here. I don't respect celebrity in the slightest.

[bobs23]

It seems most apperant that there are a number of forumers that are going to take every opportunity to point out every mis-step or percieved mis-step that Portnoy does and beat it into the ground dig it up and beat it some more. If you dislike his actions so much, why the need to comment? Of course this all goes away once he comes in and comments, and you all trip over yourselves to be first in line to lick his balls. 

This is a forum, we can't only praise everything DT-related you know.
Once we think he is happy and moving on, he does something that rekindles the criticism. And it's the attitude that is the most annoying to me. If he is honest and open as he says, he should tell the whole story. It's not the first time he implies bad things about his former bandmates, the accusations of plagiarism are the best example.

Not at all implying that this should be like mp.com  Of course people should be entitled to opinion, but to post with the soul purpose of putting him down is wrong. I can't disagree with you about the plagiarism.  And as far as telling the whole story, legally he can not.

[Perpetual Change]

Unless MP chooses to divulge something, these kind up comments are just meaningless vague statements that only his diehards will blindly eat up.

[The Presence of Frenemies]

It seems most apperant that there are a number of forumers that are going to take every opportunity to point out every mis-step or percieved mis-step that Portnoy does and beat it into the ground dig it up and beat it some more. If you dislike his actions so much, why the need to comment? Of course this all goes away once he comes in and comments, and you all trip over yourselves to be first in line to lick his balls. 

This is a forum, we can't only praise everything DT-related you know.
Once we think he is happy and moving on, he does something that rekindles the criticism. And it's the attitude that is the most annoying to me. If he is honest and open as he says, he should tell the whole story. It's not the first time he implies bad things about his former bandmates, the accusations of plagiarism are the best example.

Not at all implying that this should be like mp.com  Of course people should be entitled to opinion, but to post with the soul purpose of putting him down is wrong.

I think very few people are really engaging in that sort of exercise here. I can personally say that when I visit DTF, I have zero interest in seeing anything about this sort of stuff, much like MoraWintersoul said earlier. And even then, the sort of posts you're complaining about are almost always in reaction to something Portnoy does/says that's DT-related. It's not like random anti-Portnoy threads spring up amidst his silence. But, you know, this stuff leads to strong emotions from people--Portnoy himself can't sometimes resist jumping into the fray online, and he has a public image to protect--much more at stake than for random posters on this forum.

[Kotowboy]

Not only that - but there's been a few times where i've gone.." Ah - maybe MP is moving on - I should just be happy that he's still making music " etc etc etc...


And then, once again he'll come up with an anti-DT rant or tweet / status and I hate him all over again.

[Zook]

I wish Mike would stop making attention seeking "facebook statuses" and either spill the beans or stop talking/answering questions about the DT situation.

[Cable]

This is a forum, we can't only praise everything DT-related you know.
Once we think he is happy and moving on, he does something that rekindles the criticism. And it's the attitude that is the most annoying to me. If he is honest and open as he says, he should tell the whole story. It's not the first time he implies bad things about his former bandmates, the accusations of plagiarism are the best example.

Great post.

I wish Mike would stop making attention seeking "facebook statuses" and either spill the beans or stop talking/answering questions about the DT situation.

Agreed.

Not only that - but there's been a few times where i've gone.." Ah - maybe MP is moving on - I should just be happy that he's still making music " etc etc etc...


And then, once again he'll come up with an anti-DT rant or tweet / status and I hate him all over again.

And agree here too.

He continues to drop fuel on the fire and keep it stoked. The band themselves either refuse questions about him, or nicely state things and move along. He needs to give it up and start moving on. By continuing to answer these Twitter questions, or drop veiled crap and play coy will it only carry on and on.

You left, they wouldn't take you back and are doing well without you. Move along, it was ultimately your choice to leave when the majority of the band ruled out one member in the taking a break. You needed the break to become a metal man, not the band.

Deal with it, and stop whining at every chance. It has been over two years now.

[orcus116]

Yep. The reason people rip on him now is because he cries wolf too many times to take seriously. I'm sure he's a nice guy in person and cool to hang with but when it comes to DT I'm always going to lean away from his camp due to how the personalities line up with the stories.

[badger]

 

[CodyWanKenobi]

And as far as telling the whole story, legally he can not.

If he can't tell the whole story, he shouldn't tell any of it. Period.

[Perpetual Change]

And as far as telling the whole story, legally he can not.

If he can't tell the whole story, he shouldn't tell any of it. Period.

Bingo.

[Kotowboy]

He may as well go : " Hey Guys - JR told me something really cool about the new album - but *I* am not allowed to let all of you know. *I* tried.  :[ "

[Perpetual Change]

 

[PetFish]

Let's face it, MP is approaching 50, but always acting like a 16-year-old rebel adolescent.  If he hasn't figured things out by now he never will.  People like MP will always hide behind the cliche of "I speak my mind whenever I want and if you don't like it it's your problem, not mine."

Yeah, ok, free speech and blah blah blah but just because you *can* say what you want, doesn't mean you *should*.  You don't go to a funeral and do stand-up comedy and then say "oh well, that's how I am and it's your problem".

Everything was quiet and seemed to be settling down and he goes and says something stupid like "DT has done too much damage behind the scenes".  Excuse me?  MP did all his damage in public for everyone to see yet he thinks whatever DT did in private is the real problem?

Everything we've seen points to DT being classy and mature and handling the situation very respectuflly.  MP just can't keep his mouth shut and/or just get over it.  It's quite sad, actually.

[rumborak]

Everything was quiet and seemed to be settling down

Well, that right there might be a factor in all this. Those few words are poison for any artist.

[Kotowboy]

I'm really glad it happened this way around rather than everyone else in DT leaving and MP turning DT into a new Guns N Roses laughing Stock with a revolving door of big name musicians.

[MoraWintersoul]

I must notice, for people who are criticizing MP's tendency not to leave this "leaving DT" topic alone, we sure can't leave it alone ourselves. Just an observation.

[philmcson]

I must notice, for people who are criticizing MP's tendency not to leave this "leaving DT" topic alone, we sure can't leave it alone ourselves. Just an observation.

[Kotowboy]

We only comment whenever MP goes on yet another unprovoked attack on DT.

[rumborak]

And, it's an Internet Dream Theater Discussion Board. Would be weird if we weren't discussing DT-related things, wouldn't it?

[MoraWintersoul]

Yeah, I get that, it's just that the "After two years, I am resentful* at MP for being resentful at DT after two years"-construction is a little weird. I am already a bit embarrassed at my previous post because I really shouldn't get worked up over this anymore, I should be used to it.

*replace with whatever attitude some other poster has

[rumborak]

I hear you. I don´t think there´s any question that MP has a certain "arch enemy" aspect to him these days

[Mladen]

I must notice, for people who are criticizing MP's tendency not to leave this "leaving DT" topic alone, we sure can't leave it alone ourselves. Just an observation.

That's very true, but only because Mike's new comments can be food for thought. We would hardly dig out some of his old posts just for the sake of starting a discussion. If he left it behind, we would do it as well.

[Orbert]

But... but... they've done "irrefutable" damage!  He's daring us to refute!

[wasteland]

But... but... they've done "irrefutable" damage!  He's daring us to refute!

Well, they refuted to allow him back into the band. We can't refute this. 

[Progmetty]

Stop saying reneging

[rumborak]

I think the irrefutable damage are the drum parts on ADTOE. As in, "crap, I'll never be able to play this stuff. No way can I rejoin now".

[abydos]

They could pull a Judas Priest and just not perform some awesome songs the singer/drummer can't pull off. And fade into retirement.

[jonnybaxy]

As much as I like MPs attitude, some things he says are stupid and he should be allowed to reply to messages about DT because he was in DT for 25 years... But whatever he says will be seen as bad by some...

[Kotowboy]

Yes ! like accusing the band of sounding like their influences on their first album without him - when he was the sole instigator of that behaviour when he was in the band.

[MoraWintersoul]

Yes ! like accusing the band of sounding like their influences on their first album without him - when he was the sole instigator of that behaviour when he was in the band.

The Red/IAW copying was a pretty frustrating thing to read, true (actually I might be underrating it a bit by using "frustrating"), but the part in bold is just plain wrong, man.

[Super Dude]

Yes ! like accusing the band of sounding like their influences on their first album without him - when he was the sole instigator of that behaviour when he was in the band.

The Red/IAW copying was a pretty frustrating thing to read, true (actually I might be underrating it a bit by using "frustrating"), but the part in bold is just plain wrong, man.

What is this? I rarely come over here so I'm sorta out of the loop.

[Kotowboy]

Yes ! like accusing the band of sounding like their influences on their first album without him - when he was the sole instigator of that behaviour when he was in the band.

The Red/IAW copying was a pretty frustrating thing to read, true (actually I might be underrating it a bit by using "frustrating"), but the part in bold is just plain wrong, man.

Ok - maybe not the sole instigator but he definitely encouraged it.

[Kotowboy]

Yes ! like accusing the band of sounding like their influences on their first album without him - when he was the sole instigator of that behaviour when he was in the band.

The Red/IAW copying was a pretty frustrating thing to read, true (actually I might be underrating it a bit by using "frustrating"), but the part in bold is just plain wrong, man.

What is this? I rarely come over here so I'm sorta out of the loop.

MP accused DT of ripping off Images And Words for ADTOE. He said the structures for all the songs were based on Images And Words songs.

Blob pointed out that MP had been known to lurk here without posting and whenever someone noticed a tiny similarity between two songs - MP would later post it on his own website as something he'd just found out himself.

He also said BMUBMD was a rip off of " feed the Machine " by Red.