Two DT songs i really overlooked till now

[Ben_Jamin]

The instrumental fits the mood, it's like a mood shift. That she's tired of Waitin in vain, and at that moment she says enough sorrow take me away.

[robwebster]

Even if there's a case for the Ministry instrumental being a bit out of place - which I'd say there is, as much as I dig it - I think the Sacrificed Sons instrumental break is more or less perfect. It's a sudden change in mood, there's all this dark orchestral stuff building and then it gives way to this massive, rhythmic break - chaotic and hectic, and it keeps that urgency woven into the song right until the end. It's really well composed anyway, but in a song that's about 9/11? Yeah, I think it's fairly appropriate.

[Tick]

TMOLS is awesome until it hits the instrumental section, which is probably the most out of place section of music in their entire catalog.

I kind of agree, but the song is so good I overlook its flaws. A good friend of mine likes that section the best. Go figure?

[TTTSTA]

MoLS is one of my favorites! Love it. but it took a while to grow on me aswell. the first time i heard it i was ready to put a gun in my piss hole but now i love it!

I was the same with Home.... Sorry

[Dublagent66]

TMOLS is awesome until it hits the instrumental section, which is probably the most out of place section of music in their entire catalog.

If it's out of place, then where would you suggest they put it?


I like both songs.  ES a little less because of the unecessary wankery.

[yorost]

I love Endless Sacrifice.
I often forget about Ministry of Lost Souls, but I never found anything overly noteworthy in that song...

Something like this.

I originally disliked Endless Sacrifice quite a bit, but over time I have come to really love the song.  Ministry of Lost Souls is quite the opposite, originally a top song from Systematic Chaos, over time I have lost most interest in it.  It's ok and all, but I'm never really looking forward to hearing it.

[ariich]

TMOLS is awesome until it hits the instrumental section, which is probably the most out of place section of music in their entire catalog.

Strongly disagree. I love TMOLS, favourite song on the album, and the buildup to the instrumental section and subsequent segue back to the original theme are amazing.

Endless Sacrifice is pretty mediocre though. It starts so well, but the chorus is so completely out of place and the whole song is just incredibly awkward and disjointed feeling.

[Nick]

Endless Sacrifice is awesome, but I've always found Ministry to be both easily my least favorite on Systematic Chaos and easily my least favorite DT track over 10 minutes.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

Endless Sacrifice is amazing. TMoLS is otherwordly. I disagree with comments on the instrumental section of tMoLS. As already said, it's symbolic of the girl's struggle.

[orcus116]

That's still not a good excuse for how musically uninteresting it is.

[bosk1]

If only you had included Prophets of War as well, you would have nailed the trilogy of worst Jordan-era DT songs.

[Ben_Jamin]

Better than Reckoning.

[Nick]

If only you had included Prophets of War as well, you would have nailed the trilogy of worst Jordan-era DT songs.

The fail is strong with this one.

[JayOctavarium]

If only you had included Prophets of War as well, you would have nailed the trilogy of worst Jordan-era DT songs.

i was gonna but decided not to

[ariich]

If only you had included Prophets of War as well, you would have nailed the trilogy of worst Jordan-era DT songs.

The fail is strong with this one.

Pot, kettle, you know the rest.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

If only you had included Prophets of War as well, you would have nailed the trilogy of worst Jordan-era DT songs.

The fail is strong with this one.

[Seventh Son]

If only you had included Prophets of War as well, you would have nailed the trilogy of worst Jordan-era DT songs.

The fail is strong with this one.

Forsaken, Prophets of War, and Never Enough would be my trilogy. So bosk is right here.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

Mine are Panic Attack, As I Am, and Never Enough.

[BRGM]

I Love TMOLS! that intro with teh clean guitar is beautiful! gives me chills everytime, then the shorter mellow guitar solo, also gives me chill, and then the song is just good, and then it gets dark and "dramatic" at the instrumental seciotn, I like it, and the unison is gorgeous, and the outro solo also gives me chills

Endless sacriice is also awesome, one of the wierdest and best Instrumental sections I've heard.

[LCArenas]

teh clean guitar

I lol'd for no apparent reason

I used to dislike TMOLS a lot back then (By the time I joined the forum) but now is one of my favorite SC songs. ES would be better if it wasn't for the instrumental part, which is one of the most unfitting instrumental parts DT has ever done.

[hefdaddy42]

Better than Reckoning.

Sounds like a band name.

[Perpetual Change]

The "Sacrificed Sons" instrumental section is the same way in regards to the contrasting moods. They seem to be doing it more freely on the recent albums.

Hm. You know, at first, I　pretty much agreed with this. But after listening to it more, I actually think that instrumental section works really well, for the following reasons.

The opening piano section after the first chorus, in my mind, is like the "footage" of shit going down on 9/11. What begins as an awkward kinda curiousness in the intro and first verse-- the initial "something really weird is happening here" "why would someone do that?" reaction many people had when they initially heard that the towers were hit, from friends or online or on TV, whatever-- soon turns to the nasty reality. The footage of people running away from the smoke (I think of this every time I hear Jordan's kinda 'walking' piano part near the beginning of the instrumental section) is followed by the overall chaos that is represented by John's first really echoey, frantic solo-- at this part I always think of the footage of people suicidally jumping out of buildings, the pentagon being hit too, etc. Finally, John's last solo, where his guitar is epically doubled by the orchestra, always makes me think of the last Tower finally going down. Then, after the long instrumental, James and the band come in heavier and more filled with rage than ever. The rage that many Americans felt after the dust had settled and it became somewhat clear who attacked us and why. The song does drag a little after that 2nd verse, but I suppose Portnoy's drum fills in the outro make it worthwhile.

I know people will say I'm reading too much into this, but the above I think is tribute to at least one of two things:

Either the band went out of their way to write a song about September 11 OR, more likely since the band writes the music and the lyrics are usually comes afterward, James LaBrie did a stellar job of interpreting a narrative from the music that wasn't necessarily planned and adapted his lyrics as such.

[orcus116]

When I think of a song with lyrics of that subject matter I just don't think of rockin', fast paced instrumental sections. It doesn't make me like the song any less since the instrumental section there is pretty sweet and the guitar part at around 7:50 is just downright dirty. Not to take away from your interpretation but I just think that section would've worked better in a different song, lyrically.

[Perpetual Change]

Yeah, and I can see why people don't always get the image that's supposed to be conveyed by the music. I *think* I remember John saying that the instrumental section of TMOLS was supposed to represent the person in the song drowning or something. While I can *kind* of hear it (it reminds me of someone sliding down a rock into a river, maybe) I'm not really convinced. I have to try really hard to think of it that way. I guess it's just a matter of whether the song speaks to you or not, and if it doesn't, you can't really blame yourself.

[Zantera]

I don't care much for any of the 2 songs, TMOLS slightly less then ES.

[Dublagent66]

TMoLS is otherwordly. I disagree with comments on the instrumental section of tMoLS. As already said, it's symbolic of the girl's struggle.

This.

That's still not a good excuse for how musically uninteresting it is.

There's plenty of interesting music going on.  No excuses necessary.