Two DT songs i really overlooked till now

[JayOctavarium]

Endless Sacrifice
         &
Ministry of Lost Souls


great songs

thoughts?

[True Death of Life]

I adore Endless Sacrifice. ToT was always one of those "kinda floating somewhere in the background albums", but it really doesn't get enough recognition.

[orcus116]

They're two songs best left overlooked. I really, really don't like "Endless Sacrifice" and "The Ministry Of Lost Souls" is the longest 15 minute songs they've ever made. I can see the appeal of both but they're not even close to my style.

[Sigz]

TMOLS is awesome until it hits the instrumental section, which is probably the most out of place section of music in their entire catalog.

[Ben_Jamin]

^No. It transitions well, and it symbolizes her struggle to either stay or die.
Endless Sacrifice Could've ended before The instrumental but it is a pretty awesome instrumental. I'd consider it one of their best actually especially the rhythm section, it would be better if they cut out that bit after the little drum solo and before the vocals come back in. But it's a great song live, am glad I saw it on Gigantour.

[MetalManiac666]

The instrumental section in "Endless Sacrifice" is awesome.

[The Letter M]

Both are good, but I enjoy TMOLS a lot more. I actually really like the instrumental section. I think I grew tired of "Endless Sacrifice" after awhile, especially since TOT was the newest studio album when I got into the band, and heard it a lot spinning Live At Budokan (the first new release after I became a fan/discovered DT). I guess I also enjoy the story/lyrics to TMOLS a bit more than ES...but as I said, both are good but TMOLS >>> ES.

-Marc.

[Dark Master Of Sin]

Endless Sacrifice is easily in my top ten songs for Dream Theater. It's just an amazing song.

[TL]

For me, they're both songs that would be stronger with a large part of their respective instrumental sections removed (certain parts from ES, and practically the whole thing in TMOLS).

[Perpetual Change]

TMOLS has some great parts, but is just way too long. And I really don't care for Endless Sacrifice, except for the instrumental section.

[setrataeso]

I love Endless Sacrifice.
I often forget about Ministry of Lost Souls, but I never found anything overly noteworthy in that song...

[Jarlaxle]

TMOLS is awesome until it hits the instrumental section, which is probably the most out of place section of music in their entire catalog.

I consider the Endless Sacrifice solo section very out of place. Personally, I love the instrumental section in TMOLS, and I love this song as a whole.

[skydivingninja]

Both songs suffer from the same problem: those "wtf" instrumental sections.  With some editing, Endless Sacrifice could've been a solid song, but instead they added circus music and a bunch of other shit.  The ending is pretty awesome though.  Ministry has that metal section that doesn't really seem to fit, plus a bad JR solo.  They've got ANTR syndrome, some awesome parts, but with a whole third or more of the song that is either unlistenable or boring.

[Dr. DTVT]

Not every song can be a top 50 DT song.  These two fall into the catagory of not top 50.

[Arcaeus]

I really, really like Endless Sacrifice, though it's not one of my favorites. On the other hand I despise The Ministry of Lost Souls and every little thing about it. It completely killed the concert when I saw them live, one of the most dull things I've sat through.

[tri.ad]

The Ministry Of Lost Souls is a good DT song, and Endless Sacrifice falls under the category "what could have been".

[moffatt]

Both have fantastic instrumental sections.

[?]

I like Endless Sacrifice, it's my 2nd favorite song on TOT! TMOLS is IMO one of the highlights of SC but could've been better.

[Infinite Cactus]

I've always like Endless Sacrifice. Nothing to exciting but still enjoyable. TMOLS is my least favorite Dream Theater song. I really never have the desire to listen to it again. It does nothing for me at all.

[Zydar]

I like Endless Sacrifice, but really not TMOLS. I don't think I've ever listened through that whole song once. It just bores the hell out of me.

[MirzekDT]

I think that it's interesting that every album since TOT has one song of this type (mellow beginning especially verses then choruses are less mellow especially in ES then these long heavy technical instrumental sections then solo sections for both JR and JP and then return to the chorus with some additional material before and after) I think that all these songs: Endless Sacrifice, Sacrificed Sons and The Ministry Of Lost Souls fits this description perfectly and all of them were my favorite or second favorite songs from those albums at the time of their release I really loved them but now they are a bit medicore to me though I still like them a lot

And I know that I said that every album since TOT has one song that falls into this category and it is not really true for BC&SL but A Nightmare To Remember is definitely closest this category though it still has a lot more variety

[RoeDent]

I absolutely love the key changes at the end of TMOLS and the fade-out into the wind sound of ITPOE2. Clear reference to Pink Floyd's WYWH segue into SOYCD2.

[Lowdz]

I love them both, and they are highlights for me on their respective albums.

i fall into the DT fan category of "the more instrumental sections the better", it's what draws me in to DT each time. The songs have to be there too of course, but that's what seperates DT from the other prog metal bands that try to plough the same field; the way the two aspects go together so well.
I am a widdly widdly fan though, and I love unisons, arpeggios etc. I know some people have a different idea about it and that's fine. My partner absolutely hates it when the instrumental sections kick in!

[jcmoorehead]

I love them both lyrically and mostly musically. I do have to echo what others have said about the out of place instrumental sections. I find it's not too big a problem that it ruins the songs completely but I think, and this is mostly in MOLS case that they should have toned it down just a bit and maybe shortened the song.

[hefdaddy42]

Endless Sacrifice gets good once the instrumental section is over.  From that point to the end, it's pretty awesome.  Everything before that is fairly unfortunate.

Ministry of Lost Souls is pretty good, but it is too long and seemingly unfocused.

[TAC]

i fall into the DT fan category of "the more instrumental sections the better", it's what draws me in to DT each time. The songs have to be there too of course, but that's what seperates DT from the other prog metal bands that try to plough the same field; the way the two aspects go together so well.

I agree. I freaking love Endless Sacrifice. Probably in my Top 15. I also like TMOLS a lot. My only complaint with TMOLS is that it takes forever to wind down at the end. I have the same complaint about ANTR.

[Mebert78]

TMOLS is the most beautiful song and the best, in my opinion, from the last two DT albums.

[Aniland]

Endless Sacrifice
         &
Ministry of Lost Souls


great songs

thoughts?

Endless Sacrifice took me a look while to appreciate, but I overlooked both it and "In the Name of God" from that album for far too long. I loved The Ministry of Lost Souls from the start though.

Some other songs I learned to appreciate with time: Learning to Live (now my favorite of that album), New Millennium, Beyond This Life, and Disappear.

[RuRoRul]

I never overlooked those songs, both top 15 Dream Theater songs in my book.

Personally I love the instrumental in Ministry Of Lost Souls, it reminds me a lot of the Metropolis instrumental. At first I did kind of agree that it was a bit out of place, but it was more than I loved the instrumental and just liked most of the song (I still loved some bits, other bits I thought were a bit boring). Now I appreciate the entire song and I think the instrumental is well placed.

Endless Sacrifice is and always has been just amazing. Train Of Thought is their best album in my opinion and this is one of its top songs.

[bloop]

The instrumental section of Endless Sacrifice contains so much wankery that I can't exactly take it that seriously but still 

[erik16]

TMOLS may have an out of place instrumental section but it's still an awesome one, moreso than for example the one in ITPOE pt2. That's because it' pretty simplistic and always at the same tempo, I think that ITPOE goes for too much: metal, prog, fast slow wank at the same time. I find that TMOLS instrumental section has very good metal riffs, creepy keyboard from JR, good solos from JR and JP, I even think that JR has the better solos in that song especially the first one, JP solo is awesome only at the beginning after that it's meh. The ending unison is a fine way to transition back to the main part. If the instrumental part of TMOLS had been in another song (more metal) it would have been appreciated.

[TL]

The instrumental section in TMOLS should have been in a different song. The main problem with it is that, in my opinion, it clashes with the rest of the song. It's not bad in and of itself, but it doesn't fit where it has been placed.

[Ben_Jamin]

I don't get how TMOLS instrumental doesn't fit.

[Adami]

I don't get how TMOLS instrumental doesn't fit.

Because the mood of the instrumental and the mood of the rest of the song have nothing to do with each other. The only plus it has, is that the segue into ito was pretty fluid. The same can't be said about the transition to the instrumental section in ES.

[orcus116]

The "Sacrificed Sons" instrumental section is the same way in regards to the contrasting moods. They seem to be doing it more freely on the recent albums.