Will DT ever play songs with Mike's lyrics in it ever again?

[The Letter M]

Here's the list:

"A Change of Seasons"
"The Mirror"
"New Millennium"
"Burning My Soul"
"Just Let Me Breathe"
"Raise the Knife"
"Strange Deja Vu"
"Home"
"Finally Free"
"Never Enough"
"Constant Motion"
"Honor Thy Father"
"The Best of Times"

And of course, the Twelve Step Suite
"The Glass Prison"
"This Dying Soul"
"The Root of All Evil"
"Repentance"
"The Shattered Fortress"

Many of these I can definitely see them not playing any more, considering the personal nature of the lyrics to Mike. Of any of these, I think "Just Let Me Breathe" and maybe "New Millennium" and the SFAM songs, but that's it.

What do you guys think? I know the band still plays many songs with Kevin's lyrics in it, but I think that's because those songs from their first three albums have become many fan favorites and many are considered classic DT songs, so it'd be hard NOT to play songs like "Pull Me Under", "Wait For Sleep", "Surrounded", and "Lie"...but it may seem that we'll never get (m)any of these songs ever again.

-Marc.

[JuniorLu]

Just like the "Fat Gilmour"-era Pink Floyd never played Roger's songs....  Oh wait.

[Metropolis Pt. II]

MP wrote a lot of "classic" songs, so I seriously doubt they'll blacklist that many songs. I could see the band avoiding The Mirror, Honor Thy Father, The Best of Times, and the 12-Step Suite, but not the other ones. Constant Motion definitely has MP written all over it, but it's been such a regular in their setlists that I think they might even keep that one.

[Nic35]

It's kinda sad that we'll never see JP's solo in TBOT.

[TL]

They still play songs Kevin Moore wrote lyrics to.
I don't think they'll retire too many songs; just ones he has an especially deep connection to.

[Arcaeus]

MP wrote a lot of "classic" songs, so I seriously doubt they'll blacklist that many songs. I could see the band avoiding The Mirror, Honor Thy Father, The Best of Times, and the 12-Step Suite, but not the other ones. Constant Motion definitely has MP written all over it, but it's been such a regular in their setlists that I think they might even keep that one.

This is what I'm guessing as well.

[Dr. DTVT]

Yeah, probably just 12 steps, TBoT, and maybe The Mirror, but I doubt that one.  Honor Thy Father has already been retired.  Rest would be fair game.

[rumborak]

I doubt they will bury any songs.

But they might resurrect one.

rumborak

[7StringedBeast]

WTF no twelve step suite all the way through??? I've been waiting for that!  I NEED TO SEE THE GLASS PRISON

[Nic35]

I doubt they will bury any songs.

But they might resurrect one.

rumborak

I'm sure they'll play it someday.

[ScioPath]

The only one I could see becoming the new Space-Dye Vest would be TBOT.

[Metropolis Pt. II]

I doubt they will bury any songs.

But they might resurrect one.

rumborak

I'm sure they'll play it someday.

Ideally it'd be the cat's pajamas if MP came back for one show to record the 12-Step Suite live for a DVD/CD release.

[Nic35]

We were talking about Space Dye-Vest. I doubt MP would come back to play that song

[setrataeso]

The only one I could see becoming the new Space-Dye Vest would be TBOT.

Yeah, pretty much this. Everything is working against TBOT being played live.
As for the 12-step suite...Mike did promise an eventual release of that. I don't know how that promise will stack up now. If there was ever a reunion DVD or something, the suite would almost have to be played.

[ScioPath]

reunion DVD or something

I am buying tickets/plane tickets/whatever expenses and I am going to be there.

[MykeHavoc]

I would hope they still do The Mirror. The obvious choice for dismissal would be Change of Seasons, but despite its personal lyrics, I'd hope they keep that one. I can see them not doing 12 Steps though. Makes sense. The Scenes songs are part of a concept record. No need to drop those. All the others I don't care about.

[sonatafanica]

Will DT ever play songs with Mike's lyrics in it ever again?

Yes.

[tri.ad]

Yes, I think so. The Mirror, Home, and Constant Motion (among others) are all live staples, and I don't think that they'll give up on them.

[toro]

Will DT ever play songs with Mike's lyrics in it ever again?

Yes.

Off-topic: Sonata I need that full sized Björk pic. NOW.

[perfey]

I think they will, its just a matter of what songs they will choose. Songs like The Best of Times is clearly under the category personal but so you could also say about A Change of Seasons, and that one I think they will continue to play, in the end its up to the guys in DT to decide.

[Mladen]

Too bad we won't be seeing the twelve steps suite live. I dunno about the rest, but hey, I've seen Dream Theater live last year, they haven't played a single song from that list, and the show still kicked ass. So there you go.

[Aniland]

Something you all should remember:

"Space Dye Vest" was Moore's reaction to the life he was living at the time. It's a testament of his unhappiness with where he is, and it's a song that is very personal in the regard that it has a sort of relation to Dream Theater. This is why they have refused to play it, because it would be exploiting in a way.

Mike Portnoy has written plenty of personal songs, but none that touched upon what Moore went through. I would imagine that in that final painful meeting with the guys, somebody brought this up. I'm almost positive that Mike encouraged them to continue playing those songs, and I'm sure the band wouldn't DARE omit them. To omit them from the Dream Theater repertoire would almost be disrespectful and pointless.

[?]

I think they may drop the songs with the most personal lyrics by Mike. That'd be sad because A Change of Seasons is one of my favorite DT songs and The Mirror is a classic too.

[robwebster]

I don't think they'd drop The Mirror.

The only reason they dropped SDV is 'cause the band didn't write it, it was seen more as a KevMo solo piece. They're not gonna go "right, we've got all this brilliant music what we've written, but the words were relevant to MP 16 years ago, so let's cross them out with our big red pen." The Mirror is definitely safe.

They're all just songs with lyrics by MP. They're not MP's songs. The Best of Times is the only one I could see them dropping, 'cause that is practically MP's song. Possibly ACoS at a stretch, but I don't think so.

[ReaperKK]

I doubt they will bury any songs.

But they might resurrect one.

rumborak

This

[setrataeso]

*snip*

You bring up a pretty good point there. Mike is not bitter nor irrational. If he's leaving DT and wants to remain in the good books, he wouldn't blacklist all his songs to be played.

[skydivingninja]

No reason for them to drop any of these songs.  Its not like SDV, where the music/lyrics was just Kevin Moore.  If anything, it will be easier for them to play TBOT, because Mike won't be there to be emotional over it.  I think they'll play the 12 step suite live.  Its one of those things everyone has been looking forward to.  ACOS will come back.  Its one of their biggest classics, after all.

[Samsara]

OF COURSE they will. Geez guys.. 

[EPICVIEW]

I think they will use a few of his songs live..and my gut says they will tour the new album and try to turn the page as much as possible out of respect for the new drummer and for the bands wanting to turn the page, and song that is a real MIKE song will be not played if possible to not be played

[ariich]

They absolutely will, to not do so would be ridiculous. Of course I can understand if they never play songs that are particularly personal to MP (TBOT being the obvious example) but other than that, they'll play them.

[Adami]

Did they stop playing songs that Kevin Moore wrote lyrics to?

[ariich]

Nope. The only song they never played is SDV, because he wrote all the music as well.

[Adami]

Nope. The only song they never played is SDV, because he wrote all the music as well.

I'm sorry, did you take my question seriously? I was just proving what should have been an obvious point. A point so obvious that this thread shouldn't even exist in the first place.

[RuRoRul]

Also keep in mind how piano driven Space-Dye-Vest is, as well as personal. If there were Mike Portnoy songs that he wrote that were pretty much just him playing drums, they might not have the new drummer play them.

The Best Of Times, The Mirror, ACOS and The Twelve Step Suite are the ones which could possibly verge on being "too personal" in lyrics. Out of those, I think The Best Of Times, The Mirror and Repentance are the most likely to never be played again, if any.

[ariich]

Nope. The only song they never played is SDV, because he wrote all the music as well.

I'm sorry, did you take my question seriously? I was just proving what should have been an obvious point. A point so obvious that this thread shouldn't even exist in the first place.

Wait, who are you again?