Who wants more JMX?

Started by OperantChamber, March 04, 2010, 06:53:56 PM

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I want more JMX in:

Volume in Mixing
14 (12.6%)
Lyrics
6 (5.4%)
Songwriting
4 (3.6%)
Everything
84 (75.7%)
Fine the way it is
3 (2.7%)

Total Members Voted: 111

EasterDavy

#35
I'm pretty disappointed with JM's recent output.  He used to write such great basslines and was actually quite interesting to listen to.  This recent trend of him doubling JP and JR writing for him has really started to annoy me lately.  Often times when I'm listening to the newer albums I completely forget he's there and it's so disappointing because he used to be such a standout member of the band for me.  I also honestly think he's the best lyricist in the band and the whole "properly structured lyrics" rule is just bullshit.  I really hope that he'll become a part of the DT writing process again someday but I don't really think it's ever going to happen.    

reneranucci

Quote from: tri.ad on March 05, 2010, 01:25:31 PM

I don't know where it comes from, but I prefer the cleaner, more pure bass sound he used on I&W and FII, which, by the way, made a very interesting counterpoint to the heavy guitar riffs imo.
Definitely. That´s the standard we´ll always measure JM against.

reneranucci

Quote from: Martinman300 on March 05, 2010, 02:00:35 PM
I love the bass mix in Score
The mix is very good and Score includes many songs that showcase JM´s strenghts.

faemir

I can hear the bass just fine on every DT record excluding WDADU which I don't have.

rumborak

I take it your EQ settings have a certain, err, "descent " from the left to the right?

rumborak

juice


OperantChamber

Quote from: tri.ad on March 05, 2010, 01:25:31 PM
Quote from: reneranucci on March 05, 2010, 10:42:17 AM
Quote from: FlashCE on March 05, 2010, 06:18:07 AM
Quote from: Dream Team on March 05, 2010, 05:35:37 AM
Quote from: FlashCE on March 05, 2010, 05:14:40 AM
I think there's enough low end in the bass in the recordings. The problem is the lack of high end. If they add more high end into the mix, you'll be able to hear the punch and clarity in JM's playing.

Possibly, but I think playing with a pick on the low strings on the heavier songs could provide more low end.

Hmm... playing with a pick would only give it more attack. The low end is usually always there isn't it? DT's current mixes have enough low end, I think people actually want more high end when they say they want more JMX.
I think at the end, the option in the poll should be "distinct basslines that allow JM to be heard" instead of "more volume in the mix"

I agree with this. As I said many times before, the problem is not the bass volume itself. It's rather a combination of doubling the guitar lines (sometimes keyboard lines) and using an unhealthy amount of distortion/overdrive. Also, now that JM uses a MM Bongo bass (which has a much bigger bottom end than his Yamaha basses), he almost wastes its potential by creating a sound full of distortion since it amplifies the mids and low highs and cuts down the bottom end quite a bit.

I don't know where it comes from, but I prefer the cleaner, more pure bass sound he used on I&W and FII, which, by the way, made a very interesting counterpoint to the heavy guitar riffs imo.

Also, what sometimes irks me is that JR is sometimes playing in the same octave as JM (mostly during the heavy songs), which takes up even more space that actually belongs to the bass player. But that's kind of a different chapter.

I think all of you are right. Every last one of you.
:hefdaddy

Vahvahenki

Quote from: OperantChamber on March 06, 2010, 10:17:24 AM
Quote from: tri.ad on March 05, 2010, 01:25:31 PM
Quote from: reneranucci on March 05, 2010, 10:42:17 AM
Quote from: FlashCE on March 05, 2010, 06:18:07 AM
Quote from: Dream Team on March 05, 2010, 05:35:37 AM
Quote from: FlashCE on March 05, 2010, 05:14:40 AM
I think there's enough low end in the bass in the recordings. The problem is the lack of high end. If they add more high end into the mix, you'll be able to hear the punch and clarity in JM's playing.

Possibly, but I think playing with a pick on the low strings on the heavier songs could provide more low end.

Hmm... playing with a pick would only give it more attack. The low end is usually always there isn't it? DT's current mixes have enough low end, I think people actually want more high end when they say they want more JMX.
I think at the end, the option in the poll should be "distinct basslines that allow JM to be heard" instead of "more volume in the mix"

I agree with this. As I said many times before, the problem is not the bass volume itself. It's rather a combination of doubling the guitar lines (sometimes keyboard lines) and using an unhealthy amount of distortion/overdrive. Also, now that JM uses a MM Bongo bass (which has a much bigger bottom end than his Yamaha basses), he almost wastes its potential by creating a sound full of distortion since it amplifies the mids and low highs and cuts down the bottom end quite a bit.

I don't know where it comes from, but I prefer the cleaner, more pure bass sound he used on I&W and FII, which, by the way, made a very interesting counterpoint to the heavy guitar riffs imo.

Also, what sometimes irks me is that JR is sometimes playing in the same octave as JM (mostly during the heavy songs), which takes up even more space that actually belongs to the bass player. But that's kind of a different chapter.

I think all of you are right. Every last one of you.
:hefdaddy

QFT

TL

It would definitely be great to hear more JMX. Maybe if the new Jelly Jam album happens, it will inspire him to be more active in DT again.

skydivingninja

I'd love for him to be more involved everywhere, but right now it would be better to hear that "pure bass" sound you hear on albums like I&W, FII, SFAM, and 6DoiT.

FiberglassMoon

Everything.  9:50 Lines in the Sand.  I miss that sort of stuff. I want it again.

PlaysLikeMyung

Quote from: FiberglassMoon on March 06, 2010, 01:51:57 PM
Everything.  9:50 Lines in the Sand.  I miss that sort of stuff. I want it again.

I love that part. I almost had a heart attack when I heard it. It came out of fucking NOWHERE