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HOF

Special edition of This Strange Engine slated for November release with a September pre-order. I like the updated cover art.

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romdrums

I was at that Grand Rapids show that they're releasing with this! Nice!!  :metal

Stadler

Dilemma:  Completist, so do I get it, or does the fact that I think This Strange Engine is one of the three least favorite Marillion albums control and I skip it?  I think it depends on the price; there is a live show in there.

jammindude

I've heard that take before from others and it always surprises me. I think TSE was the first Marillion album I heard that made me take notice of the band.

Man of a Thousand Faces, 80 Days, and the title track alone are worth it. I get that the rest is a mixed bag, but I feel that way about nearly all the Marillion albums.

HOF

TSE had three Marillion classics IMO: Man of a Thousand Faces, Estonia, and the title track.

The rest are average to below average Marillion tracks, and it's one of my less visited Marillion albums. But there is some good stuff there.

I probably like One Fine Day and Hope for the Future better than most Marillion fans do, and 80 Days is fine. Accidental Man and Memory of Water are two of the more forgettable Marillion songs.

Stadler

Estonia is BY FAR the highlight of that record. 

I was a Fish fan, first.  I loved, and still love, Seasons End.  HATED then, still sort of strongly dislike (though the remix is better) Holidays In Eden.  Really liked then (LOVE now) Brave, and really disliked (LOVE now) Afraid of Sunlight.  So when I heard TSE for the first time, it was LOVE, HATE, really liked, really disliked... then I HATED TSE.  At the time I stopped buying new Marilloin and chalked them up to a formerly great band that diverged from me with their new singer.  It happens, no hard feelings.  I didn't hear anything by them until Marbles, which I LOVED.   I subsequently went back and revisited... I like Anoraknophobia, like Radiation (though like the remix way better) and sort of can take or leave dot com.   Never warmed to TSE and Estonia is still the standout track on an otherwise drab album.

SoundscapeMN

I used to appreciate TSE a lot, but have found the songs to be pretty limited and not too adventurous. Even the title track I don't have the love for like many. I think it works better live though.

The bulk of the songs on TSE come across as almost saccharine 90's Pop.

Now, by comparison the records that followed it have aged like a fine wine.

The Letter M

Quote from: SoundscapeMN on June 11, 2024, 12:55:09 PM
I used to appreciate TSE a lot, but have found the songs to be pretty limited and not too adventurous. Even the title track I don't have the love for like many. I think it works better live though.

The bulk of the songs on TSE come across as almost saccharine 90's Pop.

Now, by comparison the records that followed it have aged like a fine wine.

I can see how that, and for me personally, "modern" Marillion begins around Anoraknophobia and Marbles. 90s Marillion always felt a bit hit-or-miss for me, and other than a couple albums, I rarely revisit this era of the band. On the other hand, 00s Marillion probably gets more play from me than any other, with the aforementioned two albums, as well as Happiness Is The Road. Then again, Marillion haven't been on any sort of regular rotation for me for well over 15 years, and I only come around to them when a new album is about to come out.

-Marc.

King Puppies and the Acid Guppies

Quote from: Stadler on June 11, 2024, 10:58:21 AM
Estonia is BY FAR the highlight of that record. 

I was a Fish fan, first.  I loved, and still love, Seasons End.  HATED then, still sort of strongly dislike (though the remix is better) Holidays In Eden.  Really liked then (LOVE now) Brave, and really disliked (LOVE now) Afraid of Sunlight.  So when I heard TSE for the first time, it was LOVE, HATE, really liked, really disliked... then I HATED TSE.  At the time I stopped buying new Marilloin and chalked them up to a formerly great band that diverged from me with their new singer.  It happens, no hard feelings.  I didn't hear anything by them until Marbles, which I LOVED.   I subsequently went back and revisited... I like Anoraknophobia, like Radiation (though like the remix way better) and sort of can take or leave dot com.   Never warmed to TSE and Estonia is still the standout track on an otherwise drab album.
Holidays In Eden is a strange one for me. The first track is amazing and feels like a perfect follow up to Season's End (the album). Then the rest of the album just kind of felt like (at first) was just there and nothing interesting really happens. I grew to really appreciate the more pop leaning songs the more I listened to it, but it was an album I had put on the back burner for so many years.

Somewhere Else was also like that for me. I always thought it sounded like a bunch of Marbles B-sides, but that album also grew on me. There's just something so endearing about both of those albums.

For my money, I think Happiness Is the Road is my least favorite Marillion album up to this point. I think if it was whittled down to a single cd's worth of material it would have been a much more consistent album, since there are good songs there.
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romdrums

I had originally purchased the US version of Holidays in Eden in 1993, and the tracklisting was quite a bit different from the UK release. It went:

Cover My Eyes
No One Can
Splintering Heart
The Party
A Collection
Holidays in Eden
How Can It Hurt
Dry Land
Waiting to Happen
This Town
The Rakes Progress
100 Nights

That's the version I was familiar with. So they hit with the two singles up front, and then the album pivoted to the darker, proggier stuff. I always felt it worked better that way.

Stadler

Quote from: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 11, 2024, 04:49:38 PM
Holidays In Eden is a strange one for me. The first track is amazing and feels like a perfect follow up to Season's End (the album). Then the rest of the album just kind of felt like (at first) was just there and nothing interesting really happens. I grew to really appreciate the more pop leaning songs the more I listened to it, but it was an album I had put on the back burner for so many years.

Somewhere Else was also like that for me. I always thought it sounded like a bunch of Marbles B-sides, but that album also grew on me. There's just something so endearing about both of those albums.

For my money, I think Happiness Is the Road is my least favorite Marillion album up to this point. I think if it was whittled down to a single cd's worth of material it would have been a much more consistent album, since there are good songs there.

Ironically, it's not the 'poppiness' of HiE that bugs me.  I don't mind pop, at all.   I just thought it was a weak - I don't mean "weak" as in "I hate it", but "weak" as in "lacking power or punch" - record.  FOR ME, The King Of Sunset Town - despite me not having even a remote clue what it's about - grabbed me by the loins.   ...The Space gives me chills.  After Me is just... beautiful.  There's very little on HiE that grabs me like that, and in fact, there are moments like the part of Splintering Heart where H sings "From a splintering heart
And it tears her apart, but not as much as this..." and it's supposed to be this epic kick in to the band and it's just... lame.    It's also the first album where H starts to reveal his tendency to be a bit preachy, judge-y and sanctimonious, which is the part of H I like least.

SoundscapeMN

I dunno, I find songs like The Party and the closing suite of This Town The Rakes Progress and 100 Nights very engaging.

Also the Rare Bird cover of Sympathy is awesome. The keyboard riff that Mark Kelly uses one could call "punchy" or being pretty in your face.

ytserush

Quote from: Stadler on June 11, 2024, 08:33:30 AM
Dilemma:  Completist, so do I get it, or does the fact that I think This Strange Engine is one of the three least favorite Marillion albums control and I skip it?  I think it depends on the price; there is a live show in there.

I didn't get Brave. (But then I still have the first two releases of it) and that's my least favorite along with Less Is More (Which I doubt will be a deluxe edition so that won't be a problem.) I love This Strange Engine and I thought the show that tour was great even though the venue (Club Bene) wasn't. My guess it that the price will be like the rest of them.

It will be less than Vigil and Internal Exile which is now up for preorder. A bit pricey but but those two close out the reissue program (aside from a probable farewell tour live release and the book which are farther down the road. But those two releases have more bonus material than any previous reissue as he was still "backed" by a major label.

ytserush

Quote from: HOF on June 11, 2024, 09:37:22 AM
TSE had three Marillion classics IMO: Man of a Thousand Faces, Estonia, and the title track.

The rest are average to below average Marillion tracks, and it's one of my less visited Marillion albums. But there is some good stuff there.

I probably like One Fine Day and Hope for the Future better than most Marillion fans do, and 80 Days is fine. Accidental Man and Memory of Water are two of the more forgettable Marillion songs.

Probably in the minority on this record but it's one of my favorites.Love the organic natural timbre of it. I think it's one of Hogarth's best efforts in the studio. I'd have given up Marillion if I didn't like this record after Brave and Afraid of Sunlight. Stopped being a completist after that.  Tour was great too. First time we saw them since the Los Trios Marillion Tour  for Six Of One Half Dozen Of The Other.

King Puppies and the Acid Guppies

Quote from: Stadler on June 12, 2024, 09:18:03 AM
Ironically, it's not the 'poppiness' of HiE that bugs me.  I don't mind pop, at all.   I just thought it was a weak - I don't mean "weak" as in "I hate it", but "weak" as in "lacking power or punch" - record.  FOR ME, The King Of Sunset Town - despite me not having even a remote clue what it's about - grabbed me by the loins.   ...The Space gives me chills.  After Me is just... beautiful.  There's very little on HiE that grabs me like that, and in fact, there are moments like the part of Splintering Heart where H sings "From a splintering heart
And it tears her apart, but not as much as this..." and it's supposed to be this epic kick in to the band and it's just... lame.    It's also the first album where H starts to reveal his tendency to be a bit preachy, judge-y and sanctimonious, which is the part of H I like least.
I love that kick in with the band in Splintering Heart! Tastes!.....as Chad likes to say. :lol

But I get what you mean about most of the album lacking some punch.
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ytserush

Quote from: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 29, 2024, 08:29:21 PM
I love that kick in with the band in Splintering Heart! Tastes!.....as Chad likes to say. :lol

But I get what you mean about most of the album lacking some punch.

Especially live!  But then every song on that album is better live.

HOF

Quote from: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 29, 2024, 08:29:21 PM
I love that kick in with the band in Splintering Heart! Tastes!.....as Chad likes to say. :lol

But I get what you mean about most of the album lacking some punch.

I actually don't think HIE lacks punch, it just has some songs without a lot of it. Splintering Heart definitely has it, Waiting to Happen has it, etc.

It's one of those albums that I've probably listened to as much as any other Marillion album. It's such a curiosity for me really. I think it works really well as a poppy prog album, but it's not really like anything else besides Marillion. I love it.

Stadler

Quote from: ytserush on June 29, 2024, 08:09:09 PM
I didn't get Brave. (But then I still have the first two releases of it) and that's my least favorite along with Less Is More (Which I doubt will be a deluxe edition so that won't be a problem.) I love This Strange Engine and I thought the show that tour was great even though the venue (Club Bene) wasn't. My guess it that the price will be like the rest of them.

It will be less than Vigil and Internal Exile which is now up for preorder. A bit pricey but but those two close out the reissue program (aside from a probable farewell tour live release and the book which are farther down the road. But those two releases have more bonus material than any previous reissue as he was still "backed" by a major label.

I bought both the Fish deluxes.   I worry that once he closes Chocolate Frog, that his catalogue is going to be EXORBITANT on eBay.  I've really warmed to the Fish catalogue in recent years.  Even stuff I hated like Suits has sort of wormed it's way into my brain.  The remix of 13th Star is friggin' amazing.  What a record (same with Feast of Consequences).

ytserush

Quote from: Stadler on July 01, 2024, 07:47:33 AM
I bought both the Fish deluxes.   I worry that once he closes Chocolate Frog, that his catalogue is going to be EXORBITANT on eBay.  I've really warmed to the Fish catalogue in recent years.  Even stuff I hated like Suits has sort of wormed it's way into my brain.  The remix of 13th Star is friggin' amazing.  What a record (same with Feast of Consequences).

Suits was never a favorite of mine but listening to the songs live really bring them to life. Even Field Of Crows sounds better live. Both of those still aren't favorites but I like them better than I did. Also, the remixes do add something  (Sometimes it's like listening to the albums again for the first time.) and if you don't like them you still have the originals. It's nice to have that option.

That's why I got Vigil and Exile. Who knows what's going to happen in the next six months or so. He mentioned yesterday that he hasn't heard from his daughter who was supposedly going to take over the mail order until it shuts down in a year. He doesn't want to be caught with inventory so there's not going to be a lot of restocking in the event of a sell out.