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Re: Marillion
« Reply #1400 on: November 14, 2020, 10:00:01 PM »
I just ordered the 2019 remix of clutching at straws last week, and it just arrived today. I havenít even had a chance to listen to it yet.

The remix will be interesting to hear but it sounds like the crown jewel is going to be that two disc live show.
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« Reply #1401 on: November 21, 2020, 12:36:08 PM »
I just ordered the 2019 remix of clutching at straws last week, and it just arrived today. I havenít even had a chance to listen to it yet.

The remix will be interesting to hear but it sounds like the crown jewel is going to be that two disc live show.

I still prefer the original mix, maybe because of ridiculous amount of miles I have on it. The live show is my favorite aspect of it. Nothing will top Milan '88 on that tour for me but Edinburgh is pretty good too. The tape cuts out rather jarringly before the last three songs of the show but I think those are covers.


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« Reply #1403 on: November 24, 2020, 04:13:01 PM »
So Iíve been listening to this Marillion fan podcast, which is fairly well done and informative (and the hosts have outrageously great accents).

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/between-you-and-me-a-podcast-about-marillion/id1530960617?i=1000499894589

Theyíre going through the Marillion catalog chronologically to discuss the history of the band. This weekís episode was about the transition to Steve Hogarth as singer. Itís interesting to hear the perspective from a long time fan who lived the Fish to H transition. Iíve always been aware of how jarring the transition was for many fans, but having come to Marillion around 2001/2002 and starting with Seasonís End, I obviously didnít experience that myself.

In particular, he talked about the shock of hearing Hooks in You as the lead single for the first time and thinking the band had gone party rock/metal. But then when he heard the B-side, After Me, he realized everything was going to be OK.

I remember thinking Hooks in You was a total throw away radio track the first time I heard it too. But Iíve grown to like it as a pretty unique episode in the bandís history. Certainly itís the meatiest lead guitar effort of Rotheryís career. Itís fun but stupid and thatís ok. What I also find interesting though is itís essentially a paired down and amped up re-write of Incommunicado. Less widdly widdly Mark Kelly and more pumped up Steve Rothery.

Listening to the album again and thinking about it, I just find the whole thing a little comical, because the end result stands out like a sore thumb from the rest of the album, and itís not representative of a new direction for the band at all. Kind of a head fake, since I think as a whole Seasonís End was kind of a perfect bridge from Fish to H in the end. Curious if anyone else around here was a fan then and had a similar experience.

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« Reply #1404 on: November 26, 2020, 11:12:21 AM »
So Iíve been listening to this Marillion fan podcast, which is fairly well done and informative (and the hosts have outrageously great accents).

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/between-you-and-me-a-podcast-about-marillion/id1530960617?i=1000499894589

Theyíre going through the Marillion catalog chronologically to discuss the history of the band. This weekís episode was about the transition to Steve Hogarth as singer. Itís interesting to hear the perspective from a long time fan who lived the Fish to H transition. Iíve always been aware of how jarring the transition was for many fans, but having come to Marillion around 2001/2002 and starting with Seasonís End, I obviously didnít experience that myself.

In particular, he talked about the shock of hearing Hooks in You as the lead single for the first time and thinking the band had gone party rock/metal. But then when he heard the B-side, After Me, he realized everything was going to be OK.

I remember thinking Hooks in You was a total throw away radio track the first time I heard it too. But Iíve grown to like it as a pretty unique episode in the bandís history. Certainly itís the meatiest lead guitar effort of Rotheryís career. Itís fun but stupid and thatís ok. What I also find interesting though is itís essentially a paired down and amped up re-write of Incommunicado. Less widdly widdly Mark Kelly and more pumped up Steve Rothery.

Listening to the album again and thinking about it, I just find the whole thing a little comical, because the end result stands out like a sore thumb from the rest of the album, and itís not representative of a new direction for the band at all. Kind of a head fake, since I think as a whole Seasonís End was kind of a perfect bridge from Fish to H in the end. Curious if anyone else around here was a fan then and had a similar experience.

I haven't listened to that podcast yet, but I'm that guy.  I got into Marillion with Misplaced Childhood, in real time.  I loved Clutching At Straws from minute one, and it's been my favorite Marillion album since.    FOR ME, I didn't hear the single first.  I heard the album, and so it was "King Of Sunset Town" and I was hooked from minute one.  It SOUNDED like CAS, and while it's not as good as CAS, it wasn't as radically different as Fish's solo record.   The problem for me was always viewing Hogarth/Helmer's lyrics through the lens of the VERY autobiographical Fish.  Was Hogarth the King?  What did that mean?    Hooks In You was just "Incommunicado, Part II" so there was no problem there.   The Space... was suitably deep, as was The Uninvited Guest.   They lost me with the preachy Season's End, and I felt - and I know this is weird - defensive and jealous about Berlin. Berlin was FISH'S city, bitches.   Where Marillion broke my heart was with Holiday's In Eden, where I realized - quickly - that everything WASN'T going to be ok.   

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« Reply #1405 on: November 26, 2020, 11:36:57 AM »
So Iíve been listening to this Marillion fan podcast, which is fairly well done and informative (and the hosts have outrageously great accents).

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/between-you-and-me-a-podcast-about-marillion/id1530960617?i=1000499894589

Theyíre going through the Marillion catalog chronologically to discuss the history of the band. This weekís episode was about the transition to Steve Hogarth as singer. Itís interesting to hear the perspective from a long time fan who lived the Fish to H transition. Iíve always been aware of how jarring the transition was for many fans, but having come to Marillion around 2001/2002 and starting with Seasonís End, I obviously didnít experience that myself.

In particular, he talked about the shock of hearing Hooks in You as the lead single for the first time and thinking the band had gone party rock/metal. But then when he heard the B-side, After Me, he realized everything was going to be OK.

I remember thinking Hooks in You was a total throw away radio track the first time I heard it too. But Iíve grown to like it as a pretty unique episode in the bandís history. Certainly itís the meatiest lead guitar effort of Rotheryís career. Itís fun but stupid and thatís ok. What I also find interesting though is itís essentially a paired down and amped up re-write of Incommunicado. Less widdly widdly Mark Kelly and more pumped up Steve Rothery.

Listening to the album again and thinking about it, I just find the whole thing a little comical, because the end result stands out like a sore thumb from the rest of the album, and itís not representative of a new direction for the band at all. Kind of a head fake, since I think as a whole Seasonís End was kind of a perfect bridge from Fish to H in the end. Curious if anyone else around here was a fan then and had a similar experience.

I haven't listened to that podcast yet, but I'm that guy.  I got into Marillion with Misplaced Childhood, in real time.  I loved Clutching At Straws from minute one, and it's been my favorite Marillion album since.    FOR ME, I didn't hear the single first.  I heard the album, and so it was "King Of Sunset Town" and I was hooked from minute one.  It SOUNDED like CAS, and while it's not as good as CAS, it wasn't as radically different as Fish's solo record.   The problem for me was always viewing Hogarth/Helmer's lyrics through the lens of the VERY autobiographical Fish.  Was Hogarth the King?  What did that mean?    Hooks In You was just "Incommunicado, Part II" so there was no problem there.   The Space... was suitably deep, as was The Uninvited Guest.   They lost me with the preachy Season's End, and I felt - and I know this is weird - defensive and jealous about Berlin. Berlin was FISH'S city, bitches.   Where Marillion broke my heart was with Holiday's In Eden, where I realized - quickly - that everything WASN'T going to be ok.
I know a lot of people didn't like Holidays in Eden, and while it wasn't as good as Season's End, it was every bit as good as Brave and Afraid of Sunlight. At least, in my opinion. Where Marillion lost me a bit was with the run from This Strange Engine to Anoraknophobia. There are some good, even great, songs on those albums, overall they were very....blah.
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« Reply #1406 on: November 26, 2020, 11:41:12 AM »
So Iíve been listening to this Marillion fan podcast, which is fairly well done and informative (and the hosts have outrageously great accents).

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/between-you-and-me-a-podcast-about-marillion/id1530960617?i=1000499894589

Theyíre going through the Marillion catalog chronologically to discuss the history of the band. This weekís episode was about the transition to Steve Hogarth as singer. Itís interesting to hear the perspective from a long time fan who lived the Fish to H transition. Iíve always been aware of how jarring the transition was for many fans, but having come to Marillion around 2001/2002 and starting with Seasonís End, I obviously didnít experience that myself.

In particular, he talked about the shock of hearing Hooks in You as the lead single for the first time and thinking the band had gone party rock/metal. But then when he heard the B-side, After Me, he realized everything was going to be OK.

I remember thinking Hooks in You was a total throw away radio track the first time I heard it too. But Iíve grown to like it as a pretty unique episode in the bandís history. Certainly itís the meatiest lead guitar effort of Rotheryís career. Itís fun but stupid and thatís ok. What I also find interesting though is itís essentially a paired down and amped up re-write of Incommunicado. Less widdly widdly Mark Kelly and more pumped up Steve Rothery.

Listening to the album again and thinking about it, I just find the whole thing a little comical, because the end result stands out like a sore thumb from the rest of the album, and itís not representative of a new direction for the band at all. Kind of a head fake, since I think as a whole Seasonís End was kind of a perfect bridge from Fish to H in the end. Curious if anyone else around here was a fan then and had a similar experience.

I haven't listened to that podcast yet, but I'm that guy.  I got into Marillion with Misplaced Childhood, in real time.  I loved Clutching At Straws from minute one, and it's been my favorite Marillion album since.    FOR ME, I didn't hear the single first.  I heard the album, and so it was "King Of Sunset Town" and I was hooked from minute one.  It SOUNDED like CAS, and while it's not as good as CAS, it wasn't as radically different as Fish's solo record.   The problem for me was always viewing Hogarth/Helmer's lyrics through the lens of the VERY autobiographical Fish.  Was Hogarth the King?  What did that mean?    Hooks In You was just "Incommunicado, Part II" so there was no problem there.   The Space... was suitably deep, as was The Uninvited Guest.   They lost me with the preachy Season's End, and I felt - and I know this is weird - defensive and jealous about Berlin. Berlin was FISH'S city, bitches.   Where Marillion broke my heart was with Holiday's In Eden, where I realized - quickly - that everything WASN'T going to be ok.

I didnít listen to all of the Fish era episodes, but the Clutching at Straws one was really good as they go pretty in depth into the lyrics and how they describe what Fish was going through at the time.

I agree Holidays in Eden was the real curve ball. Itís funny though. I did not care for it either after hearing Seasonís End (as well as Anoraknophobia which was the current release at the time). It took getting Marbles and Brave to really get me into the band. But these days I actually think pretty highly of Holidays in Eden. Itís a nice blend of pop showcasing Hís voice and some more subtly prog moments. I could give or take Nothing Can Take Me Away From You Now, and the US release I initially bought also had the extremely clunky How Can It Hurt. But otherwise, thereís not a bad song on that album.

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Re: Marillion
« Reply #1407 on: November 26, 2020, 11:47:14 AM »
Well, let me be clear:  I like not love Hogarth.  I love his voice, I think he's an AMAZING front man, but I find him tiresome at times, and preachy.   I don't need Marillion to be "prog" - some of their best work isn't - but I do need them to be... vulnerable, for lack of a better word.   At times Hogarth can be a shade too sanctimonious, and a shade too ready to be different just for the sake of being different.   That was Holidays for me.   I love Brave, and, even though it took me a while I love Afraid of Sunlight too, but This Strange Engine turned me off to Marillion until Marbles (ironic, because TSE is supposed to be Hogarth's most personal work up to that time). 

It's weird, too, because Fish can be sanctimonious too at times (Brother 52, The Perception Of Johnny Punter) but it's offset by his willingness to be naked (the title track to Sunsets On Empire is just BRUTAL).  I don't get that same level of introspection from Hogarth (except on the excellent Marbles).   

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« Reply #1408 on: November 26, 2020, 12:06:24 PM »
Anoraknophobia was the album that solidified my permanent status as a Marillion fan. That album is completely front to back solid. In fact, I suppose thatís what makes their more recent work more disappointing to me. Because, other than the 2-disc Marbles, Anorak was the last ďall killer no fillerĒ album they did. And itís been 20 years.
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« Reply #1409 on: November 26, 2020, 12:51:10 PM »
Anoraknophobia was the album that solidified my permanent status as a Marillion fan. That album is completely front to back solid. In fact, I suppose thatís what makes their more recent work more disappointing to me. Because, other than the 2-disc Marbles, Anorak was the last ďall killer no fillerĒ album they did. And itís been 20 years.

Weíre all different. Anorak is fine, and at times Iíve been really into it. But I think Sounds that Canít Be Made and FEAR are excellent albums and ones I prefer to Anorak. I really think FEAR is up there in terms of the bands stronger albums. Itís gotten a lot of praise but also some flack, and Iím not sure if thatís because expectations are high or what. I feel like itís a classic Marillion album and has some really powerful material. I can see if some people are turned off by the political content I guess, but musically I think it is great.

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« Reply #1410 on: November 26, 2020, 12:53:01 PM »
Hot take - I really REALLY love Between You and Me, but the remix is even better.
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« Reply #1411 on: November 26, 2020, 01:39:40 PM »
Hot take - I really REALLY love Between You and Me, but the remix is even better.

Is that from the Remixomatosis release? I actually really like that album, especially the two versions of Map of the World and Fruit of the Wild Rose (an underrated Marillion track altogether).

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« Reply #1412 on: November 26, 2020, 04:56:36 PM »
Hot take - I really REALLY love Between You and Me, but the remix is even better.

Is that from the Remixomatosis release? I actually really like that album, especially the two versions of Map of the World and Fruit of the Wild Rose (an underrated Marillion track altogether).

Itís the Mark Kelly remix, but I donít know what release itís from. It was shared with me by someone here at least 10 years ago (itís been so long, but I want to say it was romdrums??) and I immediately fell in love with it.

https://youtu.be/bu0OEsWbeuI
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« Reply #1413 on: November 26, 2020, 05:15:07 PM »
Hot take - I really REALLY love Between You and Me, but the remix is even better.

Is that from the Remixomatosis release? I actually really like that album, especially the two versions of Map of the World and Fruit of the Wild Rose (an underrated Marillion track altogether).

Itís the Mark Kelly remix, but I donít know what release itís from. It was shared with me by someone here at least 10 years ago (itís been so long, but I want to say it was romdrums??) and I immediately fell in love with it.

https://youtu.be/bu0OEsWbeuI

Thatís something different. Not sure Iíd heard this one before, but I do like how it removed the ďMonday, Tuesday, blow a fuse dayĒ section altogether.

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« Reply #1414 on: November 26, 2020, 06:23:30 PM »
And I adore the happy acoustic intro!
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« Reply #1415 on: November 28, 2020, 09:24:10 PM »
So Iíve been listening to this Marillion fan podcast, which is fairly well done and informative (and the hosts have outrageously great accents).

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/between-you-and-me-a-podcast-about-marillion/id1530960617?i=1000499894589

Theyíre going through the Marillion catalog chronologically to discuss the history of the band. This weekís episode was about the transition to Steve Hogarth as singer. Itís interesting to hear the perspective from a long time fan who lived the Fish to H transition. Iíve always been aware of how jarring the transition was for many fans, but having come to Marillion around 2001/2002 and starting with Seasonís End, I obviously didnít experience that myself.

In particular, he talked about the shock of hearing Hooks in You as the lead single for the first time and thinking the band had gone party rock/metal. But then when he heard the B-side, After Me, he realized everything was going to be OK.

I remember thinking Hooks in You was a total throw away radio track the first time I heard it too. But Iíve grown to like it as a pretty unique episode in the bandís history. Certainly itís the meatiest lead guitar effort of Rotheryís career. Itís fun but stupid and thatís ok. What I also find interesting though is itís essentially a paired down and amped up re-write of Incommunicado. Less widdly widdly Mark Kelly and more pumped up Steve Rothery.

Listening to the album again and thinking about it, I just find the whole thing a little comical, because the end result stands out like a sore thumb from the rest of the album, and itís not representative of a new direction for the band at all. Kind of a head fake, since I think as a whole Seasonís End was kind of a perfect bridge from Fish to H in the end. Curious if anyone else around here was a fan then and had a similar experience.

I haven't listened to that podcast yet, but I'm that guy.  I got into Marillion with Misplaced Childhood, in real time.  I loved Clutching At Straws from minute one, and it's been my favorite Marillion album since.    FOR ME, I didn't hear the single first.  I heard the album, and so it was "King Of Sunset Town" and I was hooked from minute one.  It SOUNDED like CAS, and while it's not as good as CAS, it wasn't as radically different as Fish's solo record.   The problem for me was always viewing Hogarth/Helmer's lyrics through the lens of the VERY autobiographical Fish.  Was Hogarth the King?  What did that mean?    Hooks In You was just "Incommunicado, Part II" so there was no problem there.   The Space... was suitably deep, as was The Uninvited Guest.   They lost me with the preachy Season's End, and I felt - and I know this is weird - defensive and jealous about Berlin. Berlin was FISH'S city, bitches.   Where Marillion broke my heart was with Holiday's In Eden, where I realized - quickly - that everything WASN'T going to be ok.

My heart was broken with Brave and most of Afraid of Sunlight. Had no problem until that point or since then.

As far as the Hogarth podcast: I dabbled a bit just after it started but it really didn't hold my attention. I've been hooked on Fish on Friday though since it started back in March and I'll really be bummed when he stops. I'm familiar with a lot of the stories but he goes into more detail and there's been some that I didn't know. It's always been a dream of mine for him to do a spoken word thing and what he's been doing has been awesome for me.

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« Reply #1416 on: November 28, 2020, 09:28:57 PM »
Well, let me be clear:  I like not love Hogarth.  I love his voice, I think he's an AMAZING front man, but I find him tiresome at times, and preachy.   I don't need Marillion to be "prog" - some of their best work isn't - but I do need them to be... vulnerable, for lack of a better word.   At times Hogarth can be a shade too sanctimonious, and a shade too ready to be different just for the sake of being different.   That was Holidays for me.   I love Brave, and, even though it took me a while I love Afraid of Sunlight too, but This Strange Engine turned me off to Marillion until Marbles (ironic, because TSE is supposed to be Hogarth's most personal work up to that time). 


That was kind of my problem with Hogarth (live) until about This Strange Engine where he seemed mellow out a bit on that front.

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« Reply #1417 on: November 28, 2020, 09:31:59 PM »
Anoraknophobia was the album that solidified my permanent status as a Marillion fan. That album is completely front to back solid. In fact, I suppose thatís what makes their more recent work more disappointing to me. Because, other than the 2-disc Marbles, Anorak was the last ďall killer no fillerĒ album they did. And itís been 20 years.

Weíre all different. Anorak is fine, and at times Iíve been really into it. But I think Sounds that Canít Be Made and FEAR are excellent albums and ones I prefer to Anorak. I really think FEAR is up there in terms of the bands stronger albums. Itís gotten a lot of praise but also some flack, and Iím not sure if thatís because expectations are high or what. I feel like itís a classic Marillion album and has some really powerful material. I can see if some people are turned off by the political content I guess, but musically I think it is great.

FEAR is flat out amazing on all fronts especially live.

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« Reply #1418 on: December 04, 2020, 02:47:02 PM »
I learned something new about an old, familiar Marillion song last night. One of those things you almost have to look for to hear Iíd imagine.

Was poking around the useful ďexplanation of song elementsĒ Marillion fan website, and learned that at the start of Holloway Girl, ďyou can just make out a voice saying "Hold on. Believe on."Ē

http://marillionations.blogspot.com/1989/09/holloway-girl.html?m=1

Well, I checked it out with headphones and sure enough at 9 seconds in you can hear H (I imagine) sort of whisper this. Had never picked up on it before and itís almost creepy once you hear it for the first time. Like a ghost whispering in your ear.

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« Reply #1419 on: December 18, 2020, 08:04:55 PM »
I donít know if anyone else has checked out this Mark Kellyís Marathon album, but itís worth at least checking out the track ďPuppets,Ē which features a memorable performance by Steve Rothery. Iím pleasantly surprised by the album on the whole even if some of the songwriting is a little clunky in places. Itís more or less standard neo-prog, but itís well performed and goes some places Marillion doesnít. Mark put together a solid group of players, and there are a few trademark Mark Kelly keyboard sections if thatís your thing. I appreciate that itís a snappy 43 minutes or so and doesnít overstay itís welcome. Itís an easy listen and you can get it for like $9 on Amazon right now.
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« Reply #1421 on: December 21, 2020, 12:53:40 PM »
Kind of kicking myself because Hogarth did a livestream H Natural concert this weekend that I was kind of on the fence about paying for and waited too long to decide to buy a ticket (was hoping it would be available after the fact, but it closed before the concert). The set list looks amazing and some of the pictures I saw posted on the Facebook group looked really great too. As of now there are no plans for a broader release, but it sounds like Lucy will try to talk him into releasing something.

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« Reply #1422 on: December 26, 2020, 03:23:01 PM »
I watched Fish on Friday for the first time live yesterday. The rest of the time I caught it a day or two later.  I can't believe he's been letting us into his home for two hours every week and just chats and answers questions. I even got the T-shirt that has the date and location of every show he's done and where in his house he broadcasted from that day. Have to figure he might be hung over next Friday, but we'll see.