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« Reply #1295 on: May 13, 2020, 09:45:59 AM »
Absolutely fucking beautiful. I still remember my first full listen to Brave, I cried like a baby when it got to that song. It still stirs the emotions deeply.

Definitely. Some people complain it doesnít quite fit with the story, but to me itís a necessary release after the tension that runs throughout Brave, and a beautiful conclusion to the story. Maybe itís sort of trite to give the album a happy ending, but I donít think I would prefer Brave without it.
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« Reply #1296 on: May 13, 2020, 09:53:50 AM »
I never "got" Brave. i give it a go now and then to see if something in me has changed, but it hasn't yet.

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« Reply #1297 on: May 13, 2020, 12:38:29 PM »
I never "got" Brave. i give it a go now and then to see if something in me has changed, but it hasn't yet.

It's hard to get to. Took me a while to get it, but I did get it with the live versions though.
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« Reply #1298 on: May 13, 2020, 12:43:38 PM »
For the longest time I thought it was their last great album.  That's now Marbles, but the point remains.   It took the live version for it to really click, though. 

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« Reply #1299 on: May 13, 2020, 12:59:39 PM »
Brave to me is such a studio album that it doesnít make as much sense live. I have seen some great performances of it live, but Iíve also seen or heard some not so great ones (the Made Again concert is one example).

I wouldnít call it an immediate album, but it always surprises me when Marillion fans say they canít get Brave. It has a certain gravitas about it. From the opening fog horn sound it always sucked me in, though it does help to have headphones. Itís also one that Iíve gotten positive feedback on from friends who arenít prog or Marillion fans. People resonate on different wavelengths though I guess.

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« Reply #1300 on: May 16, 2020, 09:37:01 AM »
I never "got" Brave. i give it a go now and then to see if something in me has changed, but it hasn't yet.

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« Reply #1301 on: May 17, 2020, 01:01:24 PM »
Another lockdown performance from Marillion. This time itís Made Again:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v-WqMgD_NFE

The audio of this is now available to purchase/download at Amazon (and other places) for an apparently undetermined charity. Also a little publicity for the band I guess in the download charts.

https://www.amazon.com/Made-Again-2020-Marillion/dp/B088P69HDX/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=Marillion+made+again&qid=1589741893&s=music&sr=1-3-catcorr

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« Reply #1302 on: June 04, 2020, 03:38:03 PM »
Don't know why, but I've always considered this Seasons End day. It's sounding especially sweet today. Had to crank up the title track when I got there. Guess King of Sunset Town made quite the impression way back when.

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« Reply #1303 on: June 04, 2020, 03:55:22 PM »
Don't know why, but I've always considered this Seasons End day. It's sounding especially sweet today. Had to crank up the title track when I got there. Guess King of Sunset Town made quite the impression way back when.

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Re: Marillion
« Reply #1304 on: June 04, 2020, 04:06:50 PM »
What a great, underrated album.  I listened to it the other day while cooking dinner.  My favorites on that record are King..., After Me, The Uninvited Guest, and The Space....

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« Reply #1305 on: June 04, 2020, 04:20:21 PM »
Not to mention Easter! I also really like After Me.

But I probably prefer both of the B-sides from those sessions (The Release and Bell in the Sea) to Uninvited Guest.

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« Reply #1306 on: June 04, 2020, 04:25:58 PM »
What a great, underrated album.  I listened to it the other day while cooking dinner.  My favorites on that record are King..., After Me, The Uninvited Guest, and The Space....

Only one that still bugs me is Hooks In You (That video? Bleah!) but it did then too. Still love the way they came on stage for the three times I saw them in '89-'90 with King Of Sunset Town. That choice to kick off the show was not lost on me.


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« Reply #1307 on: June 04, 2020, 04:32:01 PM »
Not to mention Easter! I also really like After Me.

But I probably prefer both of the B-sides from those sessions (The Release and Bell in the Sea) to Uninvited Guest.

As I was listening to Easter I was thinking how huge a fan favorite that song has become over 30 years to the point of just having the audience sing it. I could pick maybe three songs from that album I'd rather hear more, but that song really has taken on a life of its own. The studio version just doesn't seem all that special to me although I do like it quite a bit.

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« Reply #1308 on: June 04, 2020, 04:33:26 PM »
What a great, underrated album.  I listened to it the other day while cooking dinner.  My favorites on that record are King..., After Me, The Uninvited Guest, and The Space....

Only one that still bugs me is Hooks In You (That video? Bleah!) but it did then too. Still love the way they came on stage for the three times I saw them in '89-'90 with King Of Sunset Town. That choice to kick off the show was not lost on me.

Agreed. King of Sunset Town was a brilliant introduction to Hogarth as frontman. Itís still one of my favorite vocal moments by him.

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« Reply #1309 on: June 04, 2020, 08:03:23 PM »
Guys, I was just sitting on my porch watching the sun go down and listening to Seasons End, guess I shouldíve listened to the lyrics a bit closer.
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« Reply #1310 on: June 05, 2020, 06:52:03 AM »
Not to mention Easter! I also really like After Me.

But I probably prefer both of the B-sides from those sessions (The Release and Bell in the Sea) to Uninvited Guest.

As I was listening to Easter I was thinking how huge a fan favorite that song has become over 30 years to the point of just having the audience sing it. I could pick maybe three songs from that album I'd rather hear more, but that song really has taken on a life of its own. The studio version just doesn't seem all that special to me although I do like it quite a bit.

Blasphemy/Hot take/Controversial Opinion Corner:    Not really a huge fan of Easter.  It doesn't suck or anything, but I'm not a fan of sing-a-longs - I REALLY don't like that there are so many versions of Kayleigh where Hogarth stands there with the grin and the mic pointed out over the crowd while the crowd sings the entire song - so there's that, but I think it's also a matter that I like other songs better on that album.  I will occasionally skip it to get from KOST to TUG. 

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« Reply #1311 on: June 05, 2020, 06:56:24 AM »
Not to mention Easter! I also really like After Me.

But I probably prefer both of the B-sides from those sessions (The Release and Bell in the Sea) to Uninvited Guest.

As I was listening to Easter I was thinking how huge a fan favorite that song has become over 30 years to the point of just having the audience sing it. I could pick maybe three songs from that album I'd rather hear more, but that song really has taken on a life of its own. The studio version just doesn't seem all that special to me although I do like it quite a bit.

Blasphemy/Hot take/Controversial Opinion Corner:    Not really a huge fan of Easter.  It doesn't suck or anything, but I'm not a fan of sing-a-longs - I REALLY don't like that there are so many versions of Kayleigh where Hogarth stands there with the grin and the mic pointed out over the crowd while the crowd sings the entire song - so there's that, but I think it's also a matter that I like other songs better on that album.  I will occasionally skip it to get from KOST to TUG.
so will I, but for me it's because of the overly pathetic nature of Easter (I still like it though, I just wish there wasn't any pathos involved)
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« Reply #1312 on: June 05, 2020, 07:10:39 AM »

Blasphemy/Hot take/Controversial Opinion Corner:    Not really a huge fan of Easter.  It doesn't suck or anything, but I'm not a fan of sing-a-longs - I REALLY don't like that there are so many versions of Kayleigh where Hogarth stands there with the grin and the mic pointed out over the crowd while the crowd sings the entire song - so there's that, but I think it's also a matter that I like other songs better on that album.  I will occasionally skip it to get from KOST to TUG.

That is a hot take, though I can see where you're coming from. I like the verses and chorus enough, but for me, Easter is all about the guitar solo. Everything else is just stuff in the way of the guitar solo.

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Re: Marillion
« Reply #1313 on: June 05, 2020, 07:58:45 AM »
No argument there; I'll give you that. 

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« Reply #1314 on: June 05, 2020, 08:07:13 AM »

Blasphemy/Hot take/Controversial Opinion Corner:    Not really a huge fan of Easter.  It doesn't suck or anything, but I'm not a fan of sing-a-longs - I REALLY don't like that there are so many versions of Kayleigh where Hogarth stands there with the grin and the mic pointed out over the crowd while the crowd sings the entire song - so there's that, but I think it's also a matter that I like other songs better on that album.  I will occasionally skip it to get from KOST to TUG.

That is a hot take, though I can see where you're coming from. I like the verses and chorus enough, but for me, Easter is all about the guitar solo. Everything else is just stuff in the way of the guitar solo.

Yeah, I donít disagree with the take on how H sings it live, and it doesnít necessarily hold up after being played live half a million times (though there was something special about the Royal Albert Hall performance).

But as far as the album version of Easter, the guitar solo is in my top 5 all time solos. The song itself (not necessarily my favorite Marillion song even) is on a short list of great prog rock tracks along with Starless, The Cinema Show, Big Big Trainís Victorian Brickwork, and maybe a few others.

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« Reply #1315 on: June 09, 2020, 06:30:51 PM »
Guys, I was just sitting on my porch watching the sun go down and listening to Seasons End, guess I shouldíve listened to the lyrics a bit closer.

I've never done that before. You may be on to something.

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« Reply #1316 on: June 09, 2020, 06:39:51 PM »
Not to mention Easter! I also really like After Me.

But I probably prefer both of the B-sides from those sessions (The Release and Bell in the Sea) to Uninvited Guest.

As I was listening to Easter I was thinking how huge a fan favorite that song has become over 30 years to the point of just having the audience sing it. I could pick maybe three songs from that album I'd rather hear more, but that song really has taken on a life of its own. The studio version just doesn't seem all that special to me although I do like it quite a bit.

Blasphemy/Hot take/Controversial Opinion Corner:    Not really a huge fan of Easter.  It doesn't suck or anything, but I'm not a fan of sing-a-longs - I REALLY don't like that there are so many versions of Kayleigh where Hogarth stands there with the grin and the mic pointed out over the crowd while the crowd sings the entire song - so there's that, but I think it's also a matter that I like other songs better on that album.  I will occasionally skip it to get from KOST to TUG.

If I have to deal with them doing Kayleigh now. I'd much rather have him hold the mic out than sing it himself. It's SO much better that way. (Easter too, but I'm always up for hearing that live. )

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« Reply #1317 on: June 09, 2020, 06:50:47 PM »

Blasphemy/Hot take/Controversial Opinion Corner:    Not really a huge fan of Easter.  It doesn't suck or anything, but I'm not a fan of sing-a-longs - I REALLY don't like that there are so many versions of Kayleigh where Hogarth stands there with the grin and the mic pointed out over the crowd while the crowd sings the entire song - so there's that, but I think it's also a matter that I like other songs better on that album.  I will occasionally skip it to get from KOST to TUG.

That is a hot take, though I can see where you're coming from. I like the verses and chorus enough, but for me, Easter is all about the guitar solo. Everything else is just stuff in the way of the guitar solo.

That's kind of how I view Comfortably Numb now, but I think Easter has more going for it especially when Hogarth goes off too.

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« Reply #1318 on: June 09, 2020, 06:55:58 PM »

Blasphemy/Hot take/Controversial Opinion Corner:    Not really a huge fan of Easter.  It doesn't suck or anything, but I'm not a fan of sing-a-longs - I REALLY don't like that there are so many versions of Kayleigh where Hogarth stands there with the grin and the mic pointed out over the crowd while the crowd sings the entire song - so there's that, but I think it's also a matter that I like other songs better on that album.  I will occasionally skip it to get from KOST to TUG.

That is a hot take, though I can see where you're coming from. I like the verses and chorus enough, but for me, Easter is all about the guitar solo. Everything else is just stuff in the way of the guitar solo.

Yeah, I donít disagree with the take on how H sings it live, and it doesnít necessarily hold up after being played live half a million times (though there was something special about the Royal Albert Hall performance).

But as far as the album version of Easter, the guitar solo is in my top 5 all time solos.

I think it totally holds up which is why it has become legendary.   Doesn't sound dated like Limelight does.

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« Reply #1319 on: June 21, 2020, 01:54:24 PM »
I was listening to the Billy's Old Mill show from Milwaukee in 1987 and was reminded that he sometimes used to do the Phil Collins thing with the comedy. Of course it's possible it may have been the alcohol.

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« Reply #1320 on: June 21, 2020, 04:58:38 PM »
Iíve owned it since it was first released, but today has been the first time that Iíve actually had a chance to sit in my man cave turn on my surround system and listen to the Steven Wilson remix of Misplaced Childhood.

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« Reply #1321 on: June 23, 2020, 06:52:06 AM »
Marillion announced an virtual Marillion weekend the first week of September, with shows each night streamed on YouTube

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« Reply #1322 on: June 23, 2020, 09:55:47 AM »
Marillion announced an virtual Marillion weekend the first week of September, with shows each night streamed on YouTube

From what I can tell, they are going to be streaming old concert films, not performing a livestream concert just to be clear.

Announcement here: http://marillion.com/news/newsitem.htm?id=483

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« Reply #1323 on: June 25, 2020, 02:41:31 PM »
Hey trivia buffs!    I'm watching "Colours And Sound", the doc on the Marbles album and tour (decent, not great, not bad) and there are two "Easter eggs" on the first disk.  Both are Hogarth at a piano, Rothery and Trewavas on acoustic instruments (guitar and bass, though Rothery has the BASS during one of the songs).  The songs are "Easter" and I think "Don't Hurt Yourself" from Marbles.  I've come to believe these are acoustic for a radio session; does anyone know the exact source?   

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« Reply #1324 on: June 25, 2020, 02:54:33 PM »
Hey trivia buffs!    I'm watching "Colours And Sound", the doc on the Marbles album and tour (decent, not great, not bad) and there are two "Easter eggs" on the first disk.  Both are Hogarth at a piano, Rothery and Trewavas on acoustic instruments (guitar and bass, though Rothery has the BASS during one of the songs).  The songs are "Easter" and I think "Don't Hurt Yourself" from Marbles.  I've come to believe these are acoustic for a radio session; does anyone know the exact source?   

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Iíve got a set of songs that I downloaded long ago from a radio session that includes Donít Hurt Yourself which follows directly after one of the Marbles sections (they flow together I believe). I know I also have Youíre Gone, Map of the World, and Answering Machine as well, but donít think I have one of them doing Easter. Could be a totally different radio session, but that would be the right time frame. Will see how the MP3s are labeled when I get home.   

It might be worth checking out the bandís Bandcamp page since they have a ton of the old fanclub releases for purchase there. Decent chance one of them includes the performances in question.
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« Reply #1325 on: June 25, 2020, 03:07:22 PM »
This isnít a radio performance, but could be the source (or at least a similar performance) of whatís on Colours and Sounds.

https://marillionofficial.bandcamp.com/album/frc-037-bowery-ballroom-new-york-ny-usa-12th-june-2005

Edit: Wow, this includes Tumble Down the Years, which I thought they never performed until the .com convention a few years ago. Also a very cool abbreviated version of Ocean Cloud.
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« Reply #1326 on: June 25, 2020, 04:03:30 PM »
HOF, thanks for your reply!  I found it; it's a promo thing at Radio Madrid, Madrid, Spain, 18 June, 2004.  You got part right, though, because while the DVD has Don't Hurt Yourself and Easter, but they DID play Marbles I before DHY (they just didn't film it, I guess). 

Thanks though (and I'm still going to check out that link!).

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« Reply #1327 on: June 25, 2020, 06:58:06 PM »
I've watched colors and sounds many times,  I love the shenanigans they get into on the road. Loopy Mark Kelly going into a service station in the middle of the night covered in toilet paper and with sunglasses on, looking like the invisible man. 

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« Reply #1328 on: June 25, 2020, 07:28:23 PM »
HOF, thanks for your reply!  I found it; it's a promo thing at Radio Madrid, Madrid, Spain, 18 June, 2004.  You got part right, though, because while the DVD has Don't Hurt Yourself and Easter, but they DID play Marbles I before DHY (they just didn't film it, I guess). 

Thanks though (and I'm still going to check out that link!).

So it looks like mine are from a radio station in Paris (RTL2) unless they are somehow mislabeled. I do have Easter as it turns out, so itís the same set list and probably the same time period. I think I downloaded them from marillion.com way back when.

I listened to that whole Bandcamp concert earlier, and itís a really good performance with a nice set list. All acoustic, but Rothery actually does the Sugar Mice solo electric which was really cool. Some nice arrangements throughout.

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« Reply #1329 on: June 26, 2020, 07:54:34 AM »
I've watched colors and sounds many times,  I love the shenanigans they get into on the road. Loopy Mark Kelly going into a service station in the middle of the night covered in toilet paper and with sunglasses on, looking like the invisible man.

It's a good doc; some people (Erik Neilsen for one) got a little too much screen time (and are a little too full of themselves) but the behind the scenes stuff is good.   One of the bonus sections shows Mark Kelly and Steve Rothery (independently) editing "You're Gone" for the single release.   It's fascinating to watch a band like Marillion; for all their "music first", EVERY ONE OF THEM knows the details of their business venture.  That's a good thing, by the way, not a knock, but if you followed them back in the day, it was very much a "we're playing, someone else is responsible for that" and we all know the stories about John Arnison (the manager that, in a way, came between the band and Fish; he gave a sort of "either he goes or I go" and we all know how that turned out).   They know all the budgets, what the spends are, Hogarth talked of the "Holland numbers" for Anoraknophobia, and could tell you the weekly chart positions of the Marbles singles... 

I also ripped a short - minute and a half or so - instrumental segment of "The Damage" that RULES.  It's about 20 minutes before the end of the main doc, under a montage of a load-in.  Pretty cool guitar part, if you ask me.