Nightwish...

[Perpetual Change]

Tuomas increasingly strikes me as the type of guy who pretends to be tortured and deep for the sole purpose of impressing naive teenage girls.

[bosk1]

I get the impression that he actually thinks he is tortured and deep.

[Shadow2222]

Yeah yeah, Tuomas is pretty crazy and all that, but I love that song, regardless of the crazy concept.

[PolarizeMe]

Yeah I like the song as well. The concept of writing about Scrooge McDuck's a weird one, but if it's done well it shouldn't matter. Speaking of Tuomas, I found this picture allegedly from the first show with Floor. I'm not sure if anyone shared this here yet but in the context with the rest of the band, his is pretty hilarious IMO.

[Cyclopssss]

He was scared shitless during those first gigs with Floor. He even confesses so in the documentary on the last dvd....I love him as a composer though...

[bosk1]

He was scared shitless during those first gigs with Floor. He even confesses so in the documentary on the last dvd....

  Why?

[bosk1]

Yeah I like the song as well. The concept of writing about Scrooge McDuck's a weird one, but if it's done well it shouldn't matter. Speaking of Tuomas, I found this picture allegedly from the first show with Floor. I'm not sure if anyone shared this here yet but in the context with the rest of the band, his is pretty hilarious IMO.

  What is hilarious about it?

[ariich]

Yeah, I don't get it.

[Cyclopssss]

The only one not smiling/laughin? 

[PolarizeMe]

Okay, there used to be a page on Tumblr called "Tuomas Holopainen Is A Diva" and this was around the time Anette left and someone captioned that picture above with something funny and unfortunately I don't remember exactly what it said cause the page was taken down due to butthurt but I remembered I thought it was funny as f**k but alas no one's laughing here so forget I even brought it up in the first place.

[ariich]

The only one not smiling/laughin? 

Isn't that always the case though? He doesn't look particularly grumpy there or anything.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Okay, there used to be a page on Tumblr called "Tuomas Holopainen Is A Diva" and this was around the time Anette left and someone captioned that picture above with something funny and unfortunately I don't remember exactly what it said cause the page was taken down due to butthurt but I remembered I thought it was funny as f**k but alas no one's laughing here so forget I even brought it up in the first place.

holy run-on sentence

[bosk1]

Okay, there used to be a page on Tumblr called "Tuomas Holopainen Is A Diva" and this was around the time Anette left and someone captioned that picture above with something funny and unfortunately I don't remember exactly what it said cause the page was taken down due to butthurt but I remembered I thought it was funny as f**k but alas no one's laughing here so forget I even brought it up in the first place.

Okay...but the reason we aren't laughing is because we don't see anything funny or "hilarious" about that pic.  To me, it looks like as standard a "band at the end of a show" pic as you can get.  What are we supposedly missing? 

[Cool Chris]

He was scared shitless during those first gigs with Floor. He even confesses so in the documentary on the last dvd....I love him as a composer though...

I was at the first show, and everyone looked pretty darn comfortable and happy to me. So if they were nervous, they hid it well. The guys and Floor shared a "d'oh!" smile with each other when she came in to a song too early. First time I had seen them live, but if you didn't know better, you never would have guessed it was the lead singer's first show with the band.

[Cyclopssss]

Official video for 'A lifetime of adventure' featuring Don Rosa himself....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWwSVOo5K_k&feature=youtu.be&hd=1

[PolarizeMe]

Okay, there used to be a page on Tumblr called "Tuomas Holopainen Is A Diva" and this was around the time Anette left and someone captioned that picture above with something funny and unfortunately I don't remember exactly what it said cause the page was taken down due to butthurt but I remembered I thought it was funny as f**k but alas no one's laughing here so forget I even brought it up in the first place.

Okay...but the reason we aren't laughing is because we don't see anything funny or "hilarious" about that pic.  To me, it looks like as standard a "band at the end of a show" pic as you can get.  What are we supposedly missing? 

To be honest, maybe it was just only me who found something funny in there. I thought it was funny cause I thought Tuomas looked like he was on the verge of having an emotional breakdown after being traumatized by sacking Anette (hence why that page where I first saw it, posted the picture in the first place). But now that someone said that he was really scared during the first few shows with Floor (I don't have the Showtime, Storytime DVD so I don't know how they really felt), I don't really find what I thought was funny really funny anymore. Anyways, just me being a bit stupid, so carry on.

[Cyclopssss]

Dude, lighten up. Off course it's funny. He said he was really scared about if the shows would go alright with such a short term replacement, if Floor would hold up (which she did), if the band would deliver,  but especially, would the audiences accept Floor  as the replacement? (which they did, immediately). But I can understand his fears, it´s a multi-million organisation, if that tour would have gone ass-up, he would´ve been responsible (not entirely, but I can understand he feels that way). After about five shows in, he said he relaxed and realised it would all work out fine. And so it did....

[Cyclopssss]

Link to a recent interview with Tuomas Holopainen.

https://www.nightwishforum.com/index.php?/topic/3363-tuomas-holopainen-life-and-times-of-scrooge-interview/

[adace]

samples for Anette's solo album: https://www.7digital.com/artist/anette-olzon/release/shine

[Zook]

So anyone listen to Anette's solo album yet? It's pretty good, but feels unfinished, like Queensryche's new album. Nice and mellow. Unfortunately she still thinks she's in Nightwish as several of the songs have lyrics about wishes and stuff.

Album's pretty good. Could have used some fleshing out though. 7/10

[cramx3]

I havent given the album any listens, but I checked out the single on youtube when it was released and I wasnt crazy about it.

[robwebster]

Listened to Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum again tonight. I think Imaginaerum really should soundly beat DPP, but the last bit of Song Of Myself just kills it, especially when it has to be compared to the greatness of The Poet And The Pendulum.

I was absolutely loving Imaginaerum first time I listened to it, and I hit Song of Myself and sort of went, "...oh." Really, really poor - the poetry is terrible, incredibly cringey, and it never stops.

I think I might have only listened to it the once - when I ripped the album to my computer, I stopped with Last Ride of the Day. It's even an appropriate name for an ending track. But it's just occurred to me, there's an instrumental disc! I can edit out the amateur poetry! So I've ripped Song of Myself onto my computer - the vocal and instrumental versions - and that's my project for tonight. Excellent.

[Ben_Jamin]

I actually enjoy the poetry part. And love the song.

[cramx3]

I actually enjoy the poetry part. And love the song.

I cant listen to it. Album ends once the song ends for me.

[Ben_Jamin]

Actually the only version I can listen to is The live version with Floor, she makes the Imaginarium songs more lively

[bl5150]

Actually the only version I can listen to is The live version with Floor, she makes the Imaginarium songs more lively

I was thinking that the other day - I played the original Imaginaerum for the first time in ages (after having Showtime , Storytime on rotation for a while) and in comparison it sounded like a cover by the Chipmunks.  Floor's power really took those songs up a notch.  I believe they've said they won't do it but I'd love to see a best of disc of re-records as a bonus with the next album.

[jingle.boy]

Actually the only version I can listen to is The live version with Floor, she makes the Imaginarium songs more lively

I was thinking that the other day - I played the original Imaginaerum for the first time in ages (after having Showtime , Storytime on rotation for a while) and in comparison it sounded like a cover by the Chipmunks.  Floor's power really took those songs up a notch.  I believe they've said they won't do it but I'd love to see a best of disc of re-records as a bonus with the next album.

They'd only need to re-record from two albums though!

[425]

I can get along with the Song of Myself poetry part well enough. Some of the poetry is not very good, but some of it is. The first part, with all the guilt-tripping and stuff ("...I see a starving dog in a pungent alley..."), is not very good imo. I really like the middle section for the most part, with the "Beyond all mortality we are" and stuff, though I think "While violated and imprisoned by technology" is gratuitous and personally disagreeable to me. The rest of it is hit and miss, with some good stuff and some bad stuff, with nothing exceptionally great or awful, except that I love the last line. Personally, I think the backing music is good enough to redeem the bad parts, and the first half of the song is utterlybrilliant, so...

Maybe someday I'll be bothered to make an edit keeping only the parts I think are good, but for the time being the particular words don't actually bother me enough.

And I'll go so far as to say that Song of Myself is the best song on Imaginaerum and the best song of the Anette era. And that Imaginaerum is right alongside Century Child as Nightwish's best album.

[Zook]

Actually the only version I can listen to is The live version with Floor, she makes the Imaginarium songs more lively

I was thinking that the other day - I played the original Imaginaerum for the first time in ages (after having Showtime , Storytime on rotation for a while) and in comparison it sounded like a cover by the Chipmunks.  Floor's power really took those songs up a notch.  I believe they've said they won't do it but I'd love to see a best of disc of re-records as a bonus with the next album.

They'd only need to re-record from two albums though!

If she didn't already, Annette would certainly get her tattoo removed after they did that.

[cramx3]

While I loved Floor's performance on the DVD, I thought her weakest were the songs from Imaginaerium, specifically Storytime and Ghost River.  I prefer Annette on those.

[425]

I think on the Imaginaerum tracks it tends to be a toss-up for me as to whether I prefer Floor or Anette. I think it's because the songs were written for Anette but Floor is on the whole a stronger singer, so that makes it close. I would say that on Storytime I definitely prefer Anette and on Song of Myself I definitely prefer Floor, but on the others it's close, though I lean toward Anette on Ghost River and I Want My Tears Back and Floor on Last Ride of the Day.

Meanwhile for the only Dark Passion Play track on there, Amaranth, I definitely prefer Anette. Floor just doesn't quite capture that chorus the way Anette does.

But in any case, love them both. Actually, my main complaint on the sound of the live album is that the orchestral/choral parts are way too quiet. I get that it's a live album and that they want the main focus to be on the band instead of piped in samples, but it's simply the case that on the Once albums forward, those parts are so essential to the compositions that it doesn't sound quite right when they're pushed back. For that reason, I tend to reach for the studio versions even for songs I would prefer to hear with Floor. The songs simply don't sound quite right on the live versions.

[bosk1]

Meanwhile for the only Dark Passion Play track on there, Amaranth, I definitely prefer Anette. Floor just doesn't quite capture that chorus the way Anette does.

To be fair, in a live setting, I don't think Anette quite captures it either.

[425]

That's true, and I don't mean a slight to Floor (I love her) by saying it. I mean that I prefer Anette's studio performance to Floor's live performance, while acknowledging of course that it's not a level playing field for any accurate comparison between the singers.

[bosk1]

Anette just wasn't a very good live singer, IMO.  She was fine for studio work where she could take her time to do multiple takes, and they could layer her, etc.  I thought she was okay on DPP.  Since Imaginaerum was written for her voice, I think she sounded great on that one.  But live, she was lacking. 

Floor has both the voice and the showmanship to really enhance the live show.  No, she is not perfect in a live setting.  But kind like Dickinson, she just rocks and goes for it, and she has such a powerful voice that it's a great show even if the vocals are not flawless.  And in studio, I expect to be blown away next album.

[ErHaO]

So, anybody listening to the Scroodge Mcduck thing? I think it is pretty good. It has some very beautiful moments and you can clearly hear some Nightwish here and there. I you like soundtracks and/or Nightwish (and maybe enjoyed the Don Rosa comics) this is definitely worth checking out. Would've like some more Tony Kakko on the album though.