Nightwish...

[bosk1]

I felt that Anette was not a great choice for the band, but I agree that she sounds more comfortable on the second album.  Right after DPP came out, my reaction was along the lines of, "She's not bad, but I really want to hear the next album so that I can hear her on songs that are written with her voice in mind."  The vocals are good on DPP, but a problem with them is that they were all written before she joined the band, so the parts were not written with her voice in mind.  She still did a really good job in studio, but Imaginaerum is more tailored to play to her strengths.

[MoraWintersoul]

I still insist that, with literally thousands of demos they've been sent back then, they probably had far better choices than her. She's a decent singer, but with literally every female singer that's into metal simultaneously being into Nightwish back then - that's a huge pool of names both known and unknown. I really don't get what was so special about her.

Still, if they wanted to fire her, they should have fired her right as she was showing signs of severe difficulties on tour. Firing her in the middle of her pregnancy is a pretty crappy move, and I don't care what she said to them or on her blog that might've provoked them to completely cut the ties as opposed to just hiring a substitute as they allegedly agreed. It's a matter of their word against hers, and even though they count the fans are on their side because 99% of fans prefers Floor to Anette, this is still the band that fired Tarja in a really fucking nasty way for basically trusting and valuing her manager husband over the four of them goofs and not wanting to have the same tour lifestyle with them as she did when she was 20. What a shocker that a grown woman that takes care of her mind and body and voice should do that.

Officially apologizing for calling pregnancy bad luck, but it's a shitload of bad luck she was pregnant during tour though... she could have had like three more children in the long yawny periods while Nightwish wasn't doing anything, but she got pregnant as soon as they went out on tour 

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

They may have had demos from more technically impressive female singers, but honestly, in a world stuffed to the brim with operatic vocalists, I really liked her more straight forward approach, because I honestly never cared for them when Tarja was in the band.

Floor will be good, I think, because she can do the operatic stuff, but she's got some grit to her voice as well. Actually, they really should have gotten Ida from Triosphere. That would have been amazing (though she's probably better suited where she is).

The firing of Anette almost soured me on the band. Basically where I am now is, I think Tuomas is a bit of an egocentric jerk, but I still like his music, so whatever.  

Also, Marco's awesome.

[jingle.boy]

Ida's voice would have been totally unsuited to Nightwish.  I love her voice (maybe even as much as Floor these days), but that's not the right sound for Nightwish.  Simone could've been it, but Epica's a big act too, so I doubt she even would've wanted to.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Yeah, she wouldn't be well-suited, I was just thinking of female singers who are more "metal" and she was the first one that came to mind.

I should see if Triosphere have a new album out....

[cramx3]

Maybe I am mis or un-informed, but I was not aware Annette was pregnant when she was fired. 

I do agree that Toumas does come off as kind of a jerk with the way both singers were fired.

I still love Nightwish, because at the end of the day, the music fuckin slays! 

[bosk1]

I do agree that Toumas does come off as kind of a jerk with the way both singers were fired.

He does, indeed.  But have you listened to Showtime, Storytime?  Marco's introductory comments before Romanticide may be the most inappropriate comments ever made by a band member onstage.

[cramx3]

I do agree that Toumas does come off as kind of a jerk with the way both singers were fired.

He does, indeed.  But have you listened to Showtime, Storytime?  Marco's introductory comments before Romanticide may be the most inappropriate comments ever made by a band member onstage.

haha.  Yes, I know what you are talking about.  He does admit it is in bad taste.  I specifically showed that to a friend just to hear him say "I love sausages!" That cracks me up everytime.

[PolarizeMe]

Maybe I am mis or un-informed, but I was not aware Annette was pregnant when she was fired. 

Annette never revealed her pregnancy until AFTER she left the band. In fact, I believe she first revealed her pregnancy in her blog in January last year, three months after she left.

[MoraWintersoul]

Yeah, but she told the band before they kicked her out. I don't remember whether it was days or weeks, but they knew.

[cramx3]

Was that the reason she 2ent to the hospital and missed the show?

From the documentary on the DVD, they didn't talk at all about the reasons she was fired other than saying things were building up to the point where they had to make that decision.

[MoraWintersoul]

Well even if her health problems weren't caused by the pregnancy itself (I can't remember exactly what it was so I don't wanna guess), they were probably amplified by it, or the situation required extra care. Which is why I'm even more baffled by the situation and the fact that most Nightwish fans rolled with it, even encouraged it ("atta boys she was dragging you down"); she was in a hospital like a few weeks before, she had two children and another one on the way, that's like the worst possible time you can tell someone they're out of the band and that's simply inexcusable, even if she demanded they cancelled shows she couldn't attend, they easily could have reasoned with her. In their counter-statement, they said that "this "one woman vs. the Neanderthals" setting is an easy to way to take advantage of our media history", but they DO have that media history that speaks to her favor, and it's easy to come off as Neanderthals when you're ending your official statements with this:

"Doing the laundry is tiring. Remember the help your ladies with that occasionally." completely unbelievable

for those who don't know what I'm talking about, read:
https://www.nightwishforum.com/index.php?/topic/3305-anette-olzon/page-6#entry206687
https://www.nightwishforum.com/index.php?/topic/3305-anette-olzon/page-5#entry206672

[jingle.boy]

That IS shocking.


What are you doing at another band's forum!?!?!? 

Frankly, I have no time for Tuomas' antics, and never have since the way he/they fired Tarja, then made a public display of it.  I'm not a Tarja fanboi by any stretch, and it was clear they both needed to break from each other.  But the way that Tuomas/the band did it was classless.  When I watch End of an Era, you can see on more than one occasions the look on his face is "this will all be over for you soon".

It's a good thing he can write damn good music.

[bosk1]

^That about sums it up for me as well.

[Cyclopssss]

Well I've been listening almost non stop to Nightwish's back catalogue since Showtime, Storytime came out and Fuck do I LOVE Dark Passion Play! Poet and the Pendulum must be the greatest song ever written in the genre. Not at all a big fan of Annette's voice, but on that album she definitely kills it. Also, I love Slow Love Slow on Imaginaerium, really suits her voice.

[bosk1]

Poet and the Pendulum must be the greatest song ever written in the genre. 

Wow.  Well, I guess all I can say is, "opinions differ."  I still consider it the worst thing they have ever written, by a HUGE margin.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

[aprilethereal]

Poet and the Pendulum must be the greatest song ever written in the genre. 

Wow.  Well, I guess all I can say is, "opinions differ."  I still consider it the worst thing they have ever written, by a HUGE margin.

I'm not familiar enough with their back catalogue, but out of the albums I'm familiar with (Century Child, Once, DPP, Imaginaerum, I also own their debut, but haven't listened to it a lot), I think DPP is by far the weakest, and The Poet And The Pendulum is one of my least favourites.

[jingle.boy]

Poet and the Pendulum must be the greatest song ever written in the genre. 

Wow.  Well, I guess all I can say is, "opinions differ."

Without a doubt.  I don't have a problem with PatP, but have it programmed to end at the 10 minute mark.  Can't stand the outro.  DPP as a whole is mediocre when compared with their other works.

Century Child is the best them

[Perpetual Change]

Poet and the Pendulum must be the greatest song ever written in the genre. 

Wow.  Well, I guess all I can say is, "opinions differ."  I still consider it the worst thing they have ever written, by a HUGE margin.

Agreed. And I found early on that I liked DPP MUCH better if I just skipped that fragmented monstrosity of a song.

[Buddyhunter1]

I will never understand the haters for Poet & The Pendulum. Definitely my 2nd favorite song by them.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

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[Buddyhunter1]

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[cramx3]

The first half of PatP is amazing and the second half is terrible making it a mediocre song for me.

[Buddyhunter1]

The only part I don't really care for is the calm section after the second chorus with the high-pitched little boy on vocals.

[cramx3]

The only part I don't really care for is the calm section after the second chorus with the high-pitched little boy on vocals.

Yea that part is pretty bad and makes no sense to me, but I also really dislike Marco's vocals in this song too.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

SECOND ROBBER TO THE RIGHT OF CHRIST
CUT IN HALF, INFANTICIDE

[Shadow2222]

So has anyone else heard the absolutely amazing A Lifetime of Adventure from Tuomas' upcoming solo album?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDX0TZ3Kca4

[cramx3]

So has anyone else heard the absolutely amazing A Lifetime of Adventure from Tuomas' upcoming solo album?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDX0TZ3Kca4

I wanted to give a listen but didn't realize it was publicly available yet. It'll have to wait till I get home from work.

[Perpetual Change]

So has anyone else heard the absolutely amazing A Lifetime of Adventure from Tuomas' upcoming solo album?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDX0TZ3Kca4

A concept album about Scrooge? Sorry dude, but unless you're Trans-Siberian Orchestra, that's pretty lolworthy.

[ariich]

So has anyone else heard the absolutely amazing A Lifetime of Adventure from Tuomas' upcoming solo album?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDX0TZ3Kca4

A concept album about Scrooge? Sorry dude, but unless you're Trans-Siberian Orchestra, that's pretty lolworthy.

It's fairly lol-worthy even with TSO.

Besides, the fact that it's about Scrooge McDuck would surely suggest that it is not meant to be super serious.

[Zook]

That might be the silliest concept album premise ever, but that song was pretty good.

[Perpetual Change]

Maybe by writing about Scrooge Tuomus is actually writing about himself?

[MoraWintersoul]

So has anyone else heard the absolutely amazing A Lifetime of Adventure from Tuomas' upcoming solo album?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDX0TZ3Kca4

A concept album about Scrooge? Sorry dude, but unless you're Trans-Siberian Orchestra, that's pretty lolworthy.

Besides, the fact that it's about Scrooge McDuck would surely suggest that it is not meant to be super serious.

The fact that Tuomas is writing it surely suggests he is 100% serious. We are talking about a man who wrote an "opus about his life" containing the following verse:

"Today, in the year of our Lord, 2005
Tuomas was called from the cares of the world
He stopped crying at the end of each beautiful day.
The music he wrote had too long been without silence.
He was found naked and dead,
With a smile in his face, a pen and 1000 pages of erased text."

[?]

The woman singing on that song (Johanna Kurkela) is a pretty popular artist in Finland and she's reported to be Tuomas' girlfriend.