Genesis Appreciation/Discussion

[HOF]

Would've been nice to have Simon Collins along as well.  He's a solid drummer, and seeing Phil's kids do a drum duet would be pretty cool.

Just pointing out I mentioned this back in April, guys.   

Yes, but also this:

Not a concert guy to begin with, but I can’t say I’m all that interested in seeing them at this point. I do think it’s cool that Nick is getting to do this with his dad though. They should get Simon to come do the double drummer thing with him.

 

[Stadler]

If you guys recall, Mike even talked about PHIL drumming, in the sense that he thought it possible that Phil COULD.   I find that to be somewhat optimistic, but still. 

[DTA]

I really cannot understand a word Mike Rutherford says.

[romdrums]

I really cannot understand a word Mike Rutherford says.

It's kinda like an upper class British version of Boomhauer, from King of the Hill.

[Lupton]

I really cannot understand a word Mike Rutherford says.

It's kinda like an upper class British version of Boomhauer, from King of the Hill.

 

[XeRocks81]

btw it's the 40th anniversary of Abacab, an excellent album imo.

here's Dodo-Luker and the title track performed by very talented people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOFAgxW2WAI

[Trav86]

The first show of the tour is starting in a couple of hours!

[Madman Shepherd]

The first show of the tour is starting in a couple of hours!

First few clips sprouted up on youtube. Man is Phil struggling. Songs are tuned down a lot. And yet, I don't regret my incredibly expensive decision to go see them in two months.

[frogprog]

Haha, i thought it was just me, but I also couldnt understand Mike (and to some extent Tony)!
The Briitish Boomhaurer comparison is so funny!
I'm just not sold on Nick and it was very depressing watching Phil. Quite Frankly, i would have thought Genesis would put forth a better product than what I saw. It's just not up to their standard and i think it tarnishes their good name (speaking for myself). Much like the way I now view Yes i will view Genesis and that saddens me
I wonder if Simon was even ever considered. He's a much better drummer than Nick and can sound a lot like his Dad while singing. Maybe there is bad blood between him and the Genesis camp, who knows.

[Cool Chris]

It's kinda like an upper class British version of Boomhauer, from King of the Hill.

Hilarious! I really want to check this out on YouTube but then they are going to start recommending me a bunch of Genesis videos I don't want to watch.

[jammindude]

Anyone post the setlist yet?

[Metro]

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/genesis/2021/utilita-arena-birmingham-birmingham-england-7b8c5688.html

[Stadler]

That's about as good a setlist as you can expect at this point in their career.

[DTA]

I know they rehearsed a certain song that hasn’t been played in many years but I guess it didn’t make the cut?

[Kram]

Great setlist.  Too bad they're not making it out here to the West Coast

[Zydar]

Fading Lights 

[Stadler]

Fading Lights 

Great tune; not to be negative Nelly, though, but not seeing the trio play it is a loss.  That was clearly the highlight of the last tour:  just the three of them on stage for that tune.  Very moving, actually (and I only saw it on video; I wasn't even there live).

[romdrums]

I’m seriously excited to see how they transition from Fading Lights into The Cinema Show.  In my head, I’ve thought of ways they could go from The Cinema Show into Fading Lights, but I’m very interested to see how they go the other way.  Excited to go see them just for that moment.

[Madman Shepherd]

I know they rehearsed a certain song that hasn’t been played in many years but I guess it didn’t make the cut?

What one?

[KevShmev]

I Can't Dance in the encore? Oof.  That song is on my Mount Rushmore of shitbag rock songs that I cannot believe are popular.

[Phoenix87x]

non nose bleed Tickets are averaging about $400 where I'm at. Too rich for my blood.

[Dittomist]

Yeah, I was also happy to see Fading Lights on the setlist, along with Afterglow (Wind & Wuthering might be my favorite Genesis album) and Mama.

[DTA]

I know they rehearsed a certain song that hasn’t been played in many years but I guess it didn’t make the cut?

What one?

Abacab. They also rehearsed Jesus He Knows Me but that didn’t make the cut either

[sfam2112]

I know they rehearsed a certain song that hasn’t been played in many years but I guess it didn’t make the cut?

What one?

Abacab. They also rehearsed Jesus He Knows Me but that didn’t make the cut either

I also remember reading that they rehearsed some part of Supper's Ready. I think it was Apocalypse in 9/8.

[DTwwbwMP]

I Can't Dance in the encore? Oof.  That song is on my Mount Rushmore of shitbag rock songs that I cannot believe are popular.

+10000000000000000000000000000

[romdrums]

I Can't Dance in the encore? Oof.  That song is on my Mount Rushmore of shitbag rock songs that I cannot believe are popular.

Maybe it's British humor lamenting Phil's current physical condition?

[Stadler]

I Can't Dance in the encore? Oof.  That song is on my Mount Rushmore of shitbag rock songs that I cannot believe are popular.

You and me.  Although "That's All"  might be there too. 

[Lupton]

I'd still consider "That's All" to be a solid song..had it not been flogged to death on FM radio back in the day. That one really wore out its welcome. Now it only makes me think of the carsickness of carpool rides to and from school.

[Zydar]

Yeah, That's All is nice. It has a lovely melody, especially that "I could leave but I won't go" part.

[Kwyjibo]

That's All is a great tune as is I Can't Dance 

[Orbert]

I watched a YouTube video of Land of Confusion.  It wasn't bad.  I'd heard about Phil's issues, of course, and that he'd be seated while singing.  Then I watched the opening medley (Behind the Lines/Duke's End/Turn It On Again) and they sounded okay at first, though the transitions were weird, but when they moved into Turn It On Again it was like someone switched to auxilliary power.  All the energy was sucked out of the room.  Weird transition, and suddenly we're in some unknown key (but obviously down a few steps from the original).

I don't have perfect pitch, but I do have very good relative pitch.  If you play a song in a different key, I can hear it.  The chords don't sound the same, and changing the inversions to compensate just exacerbates the issue.  It doesn't just sound different; it sounds wrong.  That crazy 13/4 cadence that sounds amazing in B just sounds terrible in Ab.  I had to stop it.

Those of you who can watch this latter-day Genesis and enjoy it... I'm actually jealous.  But I can't.  I don't give a damn whether Phil is in a chair or singing and jumping around like an idiot; stage show is always a distant second for me.  The music is what matters.  And I can't listen to this.  It sounds wrong, and horrible.

[XeRocks81]

the keys are probably the same as in 2007, many songs were transposed then too. 

[Orbert]

Yeah, I couldn't listen to that one, either.

[pg1067]

Random question:

How does Mike decide whether he will play bass or guitar (and whether Daryl will play guitar or bass) on any given song?  I'm guessing that, for Hackett era songs, he plays primarily bass (or, if they had two guitars going at the time, he does that).  But what about post-Hackett material (which seems to be about 85-90% of the set list) where he played both instruments on the album?  Does Mike just do whichever part he considers more interesting?  Or has he ever explained another rationale?

[DTA]

I think you nailed it. He plays guitar on 3-man stuff and lets Daryl do Hackett’s parts