Genesis Appreciation/Discussion

[HOF]

Yeah, they're all on good terms outside of Genesis.  When Prog magazine awarded Tony Banks with their Prog God award, it was Peter that introduced him.  The only real tensions between the band members were creative tensions, and those were mostly between Tony and Mike on one side, and Peter and Steve on the other, with Phil in the middle, and probably the most notable between Tony and Peter, and then later Tony and Steve.  With that, they were still good friends outside of the band, as that interview footage that has been posted clearly suggests.

Contrary to popular wisdom, I always got the sense - the Archive re-recordings notwithstanding - that PETER was just as reluctant to revisit the early days as Tony was.  In fact, maybe more so.  To my knowledge, with the exception of the '81 reunion show at Milton Keynes, Peter only ever performed "Back In NYC" after leaving.  He never had a song over 7:00, and rarely that (until his last LP).   I don't think this is really "Prog" (Peter/Steve) vs. "Pop" (Tony/Mike).  I think it's really about "past and future" and only Phil and Steve are that keen on looking back, really.

PG did some of Dancing With The Moonlit Knight with Sting on their co-tour a few year back (not the whole track though).

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KGLTKBpt_wo

He also used to occasionally propose working up Supper’s Ready to his solo band, but it sounds like they weren’t really up for the challenge. I do think you’re right though that Gabriel was always reluctant to go back to Genesis stuff.

[SoundscapeMN]

2nd part of the reunion was just put up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml7oiSYgtxs

Part 3 is now up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1eux1slrpE

some comments reminded me how in the actual Documentary, there was not a lot from Steve, but it was edited-out.
Also the Tony comments about The Lamb again is a reminder of Peter and Tony's feelings about it and why he left, why Peter never did a reunion, etc.

[Lupton]

2nd part of the reunion was just put up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml7oiSYgtxs

Part 3 is now up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1eux1slrpE

some comments reminded me how in the actual Documentary, there was not a lot from Steve, but it was edited-out.
Also the Tony comments about The Lamb again is a reminder of Peter and Tony's feelings about it and why he left, why Peter never did a reunion, etc.

Yeah .. I get the impression from watching that had they tried to get back together to do the Lamb it would have been like picking a old scab on a wound that never really healed.

[KevShmev]

Steve Hackett really seems like the outcast there, as Peter Gabriel was seemingly the only one who showed him any kind of respect, although Phil Collins tried to play the diplomat a few times.  Tony Banks comes off like of a dick, as I cannot imagine any of the others having the guts to sit right next to Gabriel and trash the story of The Lamb as much as he did.  Peter Gabriel, to his credit, tried to bring it down and keep it mostly even keeled, but I have to imagine he was thinking, "See, this is why I never worked with these assholes again on a full time basis." 

[Lupton]

My favorite bit was Steve giving props to Phil and Mike for playing on Voyage of the Acolyte, to which they laughed and said they couldn't remember.    And the whole time as Steve was talking about his solo material Tony seemed somewhat uncomfortable.

Still...interesting to see these guys discuss this stuff candidly in the manner of old friends reminiscing.    Emotional maturity is generally not a trait I've come to expect from a lot of these big bands.

[SoundscapeMN]

the same fan who made those others (The Lamb, Trick, Wind & Wuthering), made a Nursery Cryme documentary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ4XfbpS_bc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO5hL-0MeJs

and the guy made another one, this time with Duke (his plans are to make 1 for every record, which should prove fun to keep watching).

[HOF]

the same fan who made those others (The Lamb, Trick, Wind & Wuthering), made a Nursery Cryme documentary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ4XfbpS_bc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO5hL-0MeJs

and the guy made another one, this time with Duke (his plans are to make 1 for every record, which should prove fun to keep watching).

These are wonderful. I wonder where did he get all of the demo versions of the song? The acoustic take of Heathaze sounded really great.

[SoundscapeMN]

2nd part of the reunion was just put up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml7oiSYgtxs

Part 3 is now up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1eux1slrpE

some comments reminded me how in the actual Documentary, there was not a lot from Steve, but it was edited-out.
Also the Tony comments about The Lamb again is a reminder of Peter and Tony's feelings about it and why he left, why Peter never did a reunion, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX-fyhe4RK4

The 4th and final part of this uncut discussion/reunion from 2014, was just shared. A lot of it had to do with Peter's solo career and the drum sound on Intruder.

[The Letter M]

It's been over a decade since the last one, so I was thinking of doing another Genesis Survivor here in the Polls/Survivor subforum.

You can view the 2012 Genesis Survivor here!


If it seems like I can get at least 4 or 5 folks interested, I'll start it up later this week(end). Unlike last time, I'm gonna streamline this Survivor and just stick to the main 15 studio albums, no B-Sides, non-album songs, or bonus tracks.

I've been on a Genesis kick lately, almost forgetting I wanted to bring back this Survivor, but maybe spinning their first 10 albums over the last couple of weeks has probably been a subconscious hint to do it now! Anyways, if there's interest, be sure to check the Polls/Survivor subforum here later this week to see when it'll start!

-Marc.

[Eldomm]

I am interested!

[Zydar]

Nice, I'll participate as best I can.

[DTA]

I'm in

[HOF]

I’d participate!

[romdrums]

I'm in.

[Stadler]

I'd be in on that.

[SomeoneLikeHim]

I'm in!

[HOF]

It's been over a decade since the last one, so I was thinking of doing another Genesis Survivor here in the Polls/Survivor subforum.

You can view the 2012 Genesis Survivor here!


If it seems like I can get at least 4 or 5 folks interested, I'll start it up later this week(end). Unlike last time, I'm gonna streamline this Survivor and just stick to the main 15 studio albums, no B-Sides, non-album songs, or bonus tracks.

I've been on a Genesis kick lately, almost forgetting I wanted to bring back this Survivor, but maybe spinning their first 10 albums over the last couple of weeks has probably been a subconscious hint to do it now! Anyways, if there's interest, be sure to check the Polls/Survivor subforum here later this week to see when it'll start!

-Marc.

Heads up for those of us who don't swing by the survivor section very often that this is up and running now! (I just saw it a little while ago).

[HOF]

Mike Rutherford's Smallcreep's Day is being reissued on CD on March 25th. I've never gotten to hear it before (I know I could probably find it on YouTube), so looking forward to this.

https://www.loudersound.com/news/mike-rutherfords-smallcreeps-day-to-get-cd-reissue-in-march

Looks like it may only be a UK release right now. Hopefully not too expensive to get a hold of over in the States.

So I totally forgot that this was being re-issued this year. Just saw it pop up the other day on Amazon and snatched a copy. First time hearing it tonight, and it is a wonderful album! No idea why Mike supposedly hated it so much. Has a really unique atmosphere, somewhere between Abacab, Duke, and The Lamb.

[Fritzinger]

Mike Rutherford's Smallcreep's Day is being reissued on CD on March 25th. I've never gotten to hear it before (I know I could probably find it on YouTube), so looking forward to this.

https://www.loudersound.com/news/mike-rutherfords-smallcreeps-day-to-get-cd-reissue-in-march

Looks like it may only be a UK release right now. Hopefully not too expensive to get a hold of over in the States.

So I totally forgot that this was being re-issued this year. Just saw it pop up the other day on Amazon and snatched a copy. First time hearing it tonight, and it is a wonderful album! No idea why Mike supposedly hated it so much. Has a really unique atmosphere, somewhere between Abacab, Duke, and The Lamb.

I wonder if he hated Acting Very Strange too. Because that album was... well, very strange.

[HOF]

Mike Rutherford's Smallcreep's Day is being reissued on CD on March 25th. I've never gotten to hear it before (I know I could probably find it on YouTube), so looking forward to this.

https://www.loudersound.com/news/mike-rutherfords-smallcreeps-day-to-get-cd-reissue-in-march

Looks like it may only be a UK release right now. Hopefully not too expensive to get a hold of over in the States.

So I totally forgot that this was being re-issued this year. Just saw it pop up the other day on Amazon and snatched a copy. First time hearing it tonight, and it is a wonderful album! No idea why Mike supposedly hated it so much. Has a really unique atmosphere, somewhere between Abacab, Duke, and The Lamb.

I wonder if he hated Acting Very Strange too. Because that album was... well, very strange.

You know, that might be the one I was thinking of that he hates.

[HOF]

Mike Rutherford's Smallcreep's Day is being reissued on CD on March 25th. I've never gotten to hear it before (I know I could probably find it on YouTube), so looking forward to this.

https://www.loudersound.com/news/mike-rutherfords-smallcreeps-day-to-get-cd-reissue-in-march

Looks like it may only be a UK release right now. Hopefully not too expensive to get a hold of over in the States.

So I totally forgot that this was being re-issued this year. Just saw it pop up the other day on Amazon and snatched a copy. First time hearing it tonight, and it is a wonderful album! No idea why Mike supposedly hated it so much. Has a really unique atmosphere, somewhere between Abacab, Duke, and The Lamb.

Also, I’d never heard of this singer before, but if you had told me it was a young Roland Orzabal (Tears for Fears), I would have believed it. Uncanny really.

[ytserush]

Mike Rutherford's Smallcreep's Day is being reissued on CD on March 25th. I've never gotten to hear it before (I know I could probably find it on YouTube), so looking forward to this.

https://www.loudersound.com/news/mike-rutherfords-smallcreeps-day-to-get-cd-reissue-in-march

Looks like it may only be a UK release right now. Hopefully not too expensive to get a hold of over in the States.

So I totally forgot that this was being re-issued this year. Just saw it pop up the other day on Amazon and snatched a copy. First time hearing it tonight, and it is a wonderful album! No idea why Mike supposedly hated it so much. Has a really unique atmosphere, somewhere between Abacab, Duke, and The Lamb.

Not a fan of The Lamb, but the other two are in my wheelhouse so maybe I'll pick this one up.

[The Letter M]

https://burningshed.com/artists/artists_genesis/genesis_watcher-of-the-skies_cd

A "new"(?) 2CD set of live shows/broadcasts from across 1972 is coming out:

Digitally remastered recordings of BBC 'in concert' and radio sessions from 1972, plus 4 tracks from a Brussels TV broadcast.
 
The innovative Gabriel, Hackett, Collins, Banks and Rutherford quintet perform early masterpieces The Musical Box, Watcher Of The Skies and The Return Of The Giant Hogweed as well as non-album oddity, Twilight Alehouse.

CD1
1. The Return Of The Giant Hogweed 7.51
2. Harold The Barrel 2.57
3. The Fountain Of Salmacis 7.41
4. Harlequin 2.39*
5. The Fountain Of Salmacis 8.31
6. Story of Old Henry/The Musical Box 12.26
7. The Return Of The Giant Hogweed 7.58
 
 
Tracks 1-4 Sounds Of The Seventies
First Broadcast: 28th January 1972, * 17th March 1972
Tracks 5-7 In Concert. First Broadcast: 11th March 1972
 
 
CD2
1. Twilight Alehouse 7.58
2. Watcher Of The Skies 7.41
3. Get'em Out By Friday 8.40
4. The Fountain Of Salmacis 7.27
5. Twilight Alehouse 5.50
6. The Musical Box 9.39
7. The Return Of The Giant Hogweed 5.45
 
 
Tracks 1-3 Top Gear
First Broadcast: 9th November 1972
Tracks 4-7 POP SHOP TV Broadcast, Brussels, Belgium
20th & 21st March 1972

If you're a fan of this era of Genesis, this might be worth a listen!

-Marc.

[Stadler]

Some of these have been released before, no?

[Zydar]

A 5 CD box set of BBC broadcast recordings will be released March 3.

https://www.genesis-news.com/news-Genesis-BBC-boxset-to-be-released-soon-n843.html

CD 1: Early BBC 1970-1975
CD 2-3: Knebworth 1978 / Lyceum 1980
CD 4: Wembley 1987 / Birmingham 1998
CD 5: Knebworth 1992

[Stadler]

A 5 CD box set of BBC broadcast recordings will be released March 3.

https://www.genesis-news.com/news-Genesis-BBC-boxset-to-be-released-soon-n843.html

CD 1: Early BBC 1970-1975
CD 2-3: Knebworth 1978 / Lyceum 1980
CD 4: Wembley 1987 / Birmingham 1998
CD 5: Knebworth 1992

Do we yet have word which of these have been released and which haven't?

Forget it; I'll be getting it just for the Knebworth/Lyceum material.  I have a fair amount of that on boots, but it'll be nice to have the set.

[emtee]

I would have to hear the sound quality first.

[Orbert]

I have a boot of Lyceum 1980 and a lot of it is the same soundboard used for Three Sides Live, and of the same quality.  I actually combined the two in a playlist because it's awesome having the six-part Duke suite all together.  That was the only tour that they played the whole thing.

Yeah, it would be nice to sample the sound quality first, but these BBC recordings are usually pretty high quality if not very high quality.

[jammindude]

I have a boot of Lyceum 1980 and a lot of it is the same soundboard used for Three Sides Live, and of the same quality.  I actually combined the two in a playlist because it's awesome having the six-part Duke suite all together.  That was the only tour that they played the whole thing.

Yeah, it would be nice to sample the sound quality first, but these BBC recordings are usually pretty high quality if not very high quality.

So that recording will contain “The Story of Albert” played through?

[Max Kuehnau]

Yes. I have a bootlegged version of the show, it's absolutely brilliant.

[Orbert]

According to the track listing, it closes out Disc 2:

10 Behind the Lines (Lyceum 80)
11 Duchess (Lyceum 80)
12 Guide Vocal (Lyceum 80)
13 Turn It On Again (Lyceum 80)
14 Duke's Travels (Lyceum 80)
15 Duke's End (Lyceum 80)


The Duke suite was originally conceived as a single piece of music, but they didn't want to do another "side-long epic" having already done that with Supper's Ready, largely because it would invite comparisons.  So they split it up, opening and closing the album, with Turn It On Again opening what was originally Side Two of the LP.  I had a friend who had a boot from the 1980 tour, and it started with a quick fade-up on Behind the Lines (I assumed it caught the bootlegger off guard) but otherwise was the entire suite.  I wanted so badly to make a copy of it, but I didn't because I knew that every time I played it, I'd be annoyed all over again.  Anyway, a legit release will be awesome even if I have a good quality boot.

[pg1067]

Just wanted to give props to side 4 of Three Sides Live.  Every one of those songs is SO DAMN GOOD.  Paperlate is cool.  Me and Virgil should resonates with anyone who grew up without a father (and is just an excellent story song).  And the other three songs were pretty much the soundtrack to one of my breakups in the early '90s.  Excellent stuff.

[HOF]

Just wanted to give props to side 4 of Three Sides Live.  Every one of those songs is SO DAMN GOOD.  Paperlate is cool.  Me and Virgil should resonates with anyone who grew up without a father (and is just an excellent story song).  And the other three songs were pretty much the soundtrack to one of my breakups in the early '90s.  Excellent stuff.

I love Paperlate and You Might Recall, but Me and Virgil is one of my least favorite Genesis songs. Never really thought about the lyrics, but musically it’s got some major Waltons vibes.

Coincidentally, I just this week picked up a copy of 3 Sides Live, but I went for the remaster version with the additional live tracks since I already have those other songs from the remix boxset.

[Trav86]

A 5 CD box set of BBC broadcast recordings will be released March 3.

https://www.genesis-news.com/news-Genesis-BBC-boxset-to-be-released-soon-n843.html

CD 1: Early BBC 1970-1975
CD 2-3: Knebworth 1978 / Lyceum 1980
CD 4: Wembley 1987 / Birmingham 1998
CD 5: Knebworth 1992

That Lyceum show! 

[pg1067]

I love Paperlate and You Might Recall, but Me and Virgil is one of my least favorite Genesis songs. Never really thought about the lyrics, but musically it’s got some major Waltons vibes.

Coincidentally, I just this week picked up a copy of 3 Sides Live, but I went for the remaster version with the additional live tracks since I already have those other songs from the remix boxset.

Waltons vibes?     I get what you're saying, though.

I find it odd that the UK version of Three Sides Live has all four sides of live material.  I put the UK version CD in my Amazon cart because I'd like to have that extra live material.  We'll see if I pull the trigger on it.