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The Dream Theater Live Archive (UPDATED 09/02)
« on: November 03, 2009, 08:35:43 PM »
Over the past many months, I've spent countless hours on Mike Portnoy's tourography page and the concerts and setlists page here on DTF compiling all the setlists and adorning each song with a number based on how many times it has been played live.
There are a few different ways I counted a song played. Oftentimes if they played a significant portion of a song I count the full song (for instance, on Burning My Soul '96, I counted Burning My Soul and Hells Kitchen as being played). Medleys are counted on their own, but the medley count is noted beside the included songs.
I did not count the covers or random jam songs they played in this list, but they are tallied on the full one saved on my computer. I did count the various solos played as singular tracks, or as extended pieces (they are not representative of how many in-song solos they have played).
Feel free to scrutinize and ask why I counted certain songs the way I did.
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Majesty:
Another Won: 59
Vital Star: 11
Your Majesty: 16
March of the Tyrant: 39
Two Far: 12
Mosquitoes in Harmony: 1
A Vision: 4
Cry for Freedom: 3

When Dream and Day Unite:
A Fortune in Lies: 277 (also played 15 times on WIAWU medley)
Status Seeker: 51
Ytsejam: 289 (also played 46 times on Instrumedley)
The Killing Hand: 145
Light Fuse and Get Away: 13
Afterlife: 73
The Ones Who Helped to Set the Sun: 29
Only a Matter of Time: 160 (also played 15 times on WIAWU medley)

Images & Words:
Pull Me Under: 723 (also played 15 times on WIAWU medley)
Another Day: 348
Take the Time: 475 (also played 15 times on WIAWU medley)
Surrounded: 434
Metropolis Pt. 1: 630 (also played 46 times on Instrumedley + 46 times on Encore medley)
Under A Glass Moon: 471 (also played 15 times on WIAWU medley)
Wait for Sleep: 266
Learning to Live: 436 (also played 46 times on Encore medley + 79 times on Schmedley Wilcox)

Awake:
6:00: 217
Caught in a Web: 212
Innocence Faded: 30
Erotomania: 237 (also played 46 times on Instrumedley)
Voices: 297
The Silent Man: 185
The Mirror: 230
Lie: 278
Lifting Shadows off a Dream: 135
Scarred: 94
Space-Dye Vest: 0


A Change of Seasons:
A Change of Seasons: 79
   The Crimson Sunrise: 45
   Innocence: 68
   Carpe Diem: 17
   The Darkest of Winters: 72 (also played 46 times on Instrumedley)
   Another World:
   The Inevitable Summer:
   The Crimson Sunset: 44 (also played 46 times on Encore medley)

Falling Into Infinity:
New Millennium: 142
You Not Me: 3
Peruvian Skies: 272
Hollow Years: 239
Burning my Soul: 126
Hell’s Kitchen: 54 (also played 46 times on Instrumedley)
Lines in the Sand: 181
Take Away My Pain: 38
Just Let Me Breathe: 180
Anna Lee: 30
Trial of Tears: 84 (also played 79 times on Schmedley Wilcox)

Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory
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Regression: 29
Overture 1928: 104
Strange Deja Vu: 220
Through My Words: 188
Fatal Tragedy: 265
Beyond This Life: 116
Through Her Eyes: 38
Home: 256
The Dance of Eternity: 116 (also played 46 times on Instrumedley)
One Last Time: 59
The Spirit Carries On: 361
Finally Free: 64 (also played 79 times on Schmedley Wilcox)

Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence:
The Glass Prison: 125
Blind Faith: 75
Misunderstood: 88
The Great Debate: 110
Disappear: 2
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence: 58
   Overture: 28
   About To Crash: 28
   War Inside My Head: 120
   The Test That Stumped Them All: 126
   Goodnight Kiss: 23
   Solitary Shell: 114
   About to Crash (Reprise): 62
   Losing Time/Grand Finale: 62

Train of Thought:
As I Am: 217
This Dying Soul: 76
Endless Sacrifice: 197
Honor Thy Father: 43
Vacant: 19
Stream of Consciousness: 60
In the Name of God: 103 (also played 79 times on Schmedley Wilcox)

Octavarium:
The Root of All Evil: 147
The Answer Lies Within: 7
These Walls: 75
I Walk Beside You: 82
Panic Attack: 168
Never Enough: 87
Sacrificed Sons: 81
Octavarium: 59 (also played 79 times on Schmedley Wilcox)

Systematic Chaos:
In The Presence of Enemies: 69
   Pt. 1: 28
   Pt. 2: 1
Forsaken: 105
Constant Motion: 154
The Dark Eternal Night: 142
Repentance: 1
Prophets of War: 32
The Ministry of Lost Souls: 28

Black Clouds & Silver Linings:
A Nightmare to Remember: 80
A Rite of Passage: 104
Wither: 25
The Shattered Fortress: 0
The Best of Times: 0
The Count of Tuscany: 94

A Dramatic Turn of Events:
On the Backs of Angels: 119
Build Me Up, Break Me Down: 67
Lost Not Forgotten: 36
This Is the Life: 36
Bridges in the Sky: 99
Outcry: 71
Far from Heaven: 29
Breaking All Illusions: 95
Beneath the Surface: 46



Demos:
To Live Forever: 94
Eve: 68
Raise The Knife: 14
Speak To Me: 21
Puppies on Acid: 128
A Crack in the Mirror: 107
The Way it Used to Be: 7
Cover My Eyes: 8
Where Are You Now: 3

Medleys:
When Images and Words Unite Medley: 1
Instrumedley: 46
Schmedley Wilcox: 79
Encore Medley: 34 (+12 for PN09)

Solos:
Keyboard Solo: 588
Drum Solo: 496
Guitar Solo: 266
Bass Solo: 6

Liquid Tension Experiment:
Kindred Spirits: 3
Paradigm Shift: 35 (also played 46 times on Instrumedley)
Universal Mind: 17 (also played 46 times on Instrumedley)
Acid Rain: 26
Another Dimension: 14
Hourglass: 1
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Re: The Fully Updated Dream Theater Live Archive
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2009, 08:38:57 PM »

Images & Words:
Pull Me Under: 666


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Re: The Fully Updated Dream Theater Live Archive
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2009, 08:46:32 PM »
Interesting comparing them all. Last time I checked a while back, the gap between Metropolis and PMU was bigger, but it's really closed in now. There are some other comparisons that really surprise me too.
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2009, 08:59:13 PM »
I disagree with you including the songs in medleys.  The medley's should be counted separately, imo.

But good work.
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2009, 09:01:09 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2009, 09:01:44 PM »
Well, there is a significant amount of each song being played, I figured it would be fair. It's not like I counted the A Fortune in Lies teasers they play at the end of some songs. In Schmedley, they play full verses and instrumental sections of different songs. Seemed like enough for me. Instrumedley worked the same way too.

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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2009, 09:48:07 PM »
I was wondering if you were ever gonna post this. Good stuff.
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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2009, 09:54:45 PM »
Good stuff. Though I agree that Medleys should be counted as Medleys.

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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2009, 09:57:50 PM »
Bah! People don't care how many times Schmedley Wilcox was played, they care how many times Finally Free was played! If it gets played I chalk it up on the song side.
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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2009, 09:59:37 PM »
Interesting comparing them all. Last time I checked a while back, the gap between Metropolis and PMU was bigger, but it's really closed in now.

Probably because he included medleys, such as the Metropolis/Learning to Live/A Change of Seasons medley.
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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2009, 10:00:38 PM »
Plus Metropolis got a bunch of playtime in Instrumedley. But they played it a fair bit over the past few tour legs.
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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2009, 10:03:11 PM »
Plus Metropolis got a bunch of playtime in Instrumedley. But they played it a fair bit over the past few tour legs.

Yeah. I wouldn't give that number too much stock, Blob.
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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2009, 10:03:58 PM »
huh?
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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2009, 10:05:41 PM »
The number of times Metropolis has been played compared with Pull Me Under, due to Metropolis' inclusions in so many medleys.
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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2009, 10:07:51 PM »
On an individual basis, Pull Me Under has had far more singular song plays, Metropolis is featured in many medleys.
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« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2009, 10:09:26 PM »
I was using your quote to answer his earlier question.
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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2009, 10:10:44 PM »
Oh ok.
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« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2009, 12:50:28 AM »
Including medley performances makes no sense. They didn't play the song, therefore it shouldn't be included in the count. Playing 2 or 3 minutes of a 10 minute or even 24 minute song is not a "significant portion".

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« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2009, 04:14:33 AM »
Including medley performances makes no sense. They didn't play the song, therefore it shouldn't be included in the count. Playing 2 or 3 minutes of a 10 minute or even 24 minute song is not a "significant portion".
This.  A noble effort, but ultimately your statistics are deeply flawed.
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« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2009, 07:29:03 AM »
Including medley performances makes no sense. They didn't play the song, therefore it shouldn't be included in the count. Playing 2 or 3 minutes of a 10 minute or even 24 minute song is not a "significant portion".

Well, they played something, so you would want him to count it as a medley or. . .?

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« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2009, 07:33:49 AM »
Including medley performances makes no sense. They didn't play the song, therefore it shouldn't be included in the count. Playing 2 or 3 minutes of a 10 minute or even 24 minute song is not a "significant portion".

Well, they played something, so you would want him to count it as a medley or. . .?

I think all of the medleys should be included in the list in a separate section, such as the Instrumedley, Shmedley Wilcox etc. So instead of counting DT as playing ITNOG/LTL/Octavarium/ToT etc every time they play the Shmedley, you count it as the medley.
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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2009, 07:36:19 AM »
Sweet beans, but if it took him months to compile this. . .I don't think he would want to start over.

Besides, I see his point as well, to separate the medleys and count it as being played. Really, it could be done either way, as either option will have some opposition to it.

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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2009, 09:52:58 AM »
I'm glad my work is appreciated.
If you guys insist, I'll go back and compile how many times the medleys have been played and include that.
However, I stand by my inclusion of counting the individual songs in medleys, and I won't change that.
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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2009, 09:59:27 AM »
I'm glad my work is appreciated.
If you guys insist, I'll go back and compile how many times the medleys have been played and include that.
However, I stand by my inclusion of counting the individual songs in medleys, and I won't change that.

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« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2009, 10:04:48 AM »
I'm glad my work is appreciated.
If you guys insist, I'll go back and compile how many times the medleys have been played and include that.
However, I stand by my inclusion of counting the individual songs in medleys, and I won't change that.

I INSIST YOU DO THE FIRST PART AND NOT THE SECOND

I don't see what the problem is.
If I count the medleys, you just take the full number of, say, Octavarium, and then subtract the number of Schmedley Wilcox, and you have singular Octavarium plays right there. For those who care about amount of times its been played alone or in a medley, the number is there too.
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« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2009, 10:17:31 AM »
What was the purpose for spending all this time?  How is it counted on MP.com?  Because that one is official.  If you're doing it differently than it's done there, then you're giving contradictory information.  If you're doing it the same, well, it's already there, so I don't see the point, really.
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« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2009, 10:24:31 AM »
I appreciate the effort, but I'm not personally interested in how often short sections of songs were played, so if I want the info I'll probably just stick with the MP.com tourography.

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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2009, 10:24:57 AM »
What was the purpose for spending all this time?  How is it counted on MP.com?  Because that one is official.  If you're doing it differently than it's done there, then you're giving contradictory information.  If you're doing it the same, well, it's already there, so I don't see the point, really.

Well MP's tourography doesn't show all the songs. Certain ones that far played frequently, like Metropolis, just show a error on the page, as the number is too high.
Frankly, I did this for fun and to get into Dream Theater's setlists and learn about it. I posted it here because I thought people would enjoy being able to compare how often certain songs are played, and to have one easy-to-check list. Instead, I get umpteen people bitching at me, telling how I should have done it.
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« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2009, 10:57:15 AM »

Well MP's tourography doesn't show all the songs. Certain ones that far played frequently, like Metropolis, just show a error on the page, as the number is too high.
Frankly, I did this for fun and to get into Dream Theater's setlists and learn about it. I posted it here because I thought people would enjoy being able to compare how often certain songs are played, and to have one easy-to-check list. Instead, I get umpteen people bitching at me, telling how I should have done it.

If it's any consolation to you...I think you've obviously worked very hard on it and it's interesting even if it is a teeny bit 'flawed'.
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« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2009, 11:02:57 AM »
setrataeso, did you manually go through each setlist and tot up the information or use the search facility where you could?

I briefly had a bash at writing a program to go through them, although it was irritating due to alot of special cases, eg caught in a web mash ups..
Hard to say what counts and what doesn't (eg Metropolis/LTL/Crimson sunset medley this tour has most of metropolis, but misses the good bit at the end).

Still, great effort on your part, although it would be nice to see the proportions of each song in a medley. (eg trial of tears 153, 50 in schmedley wilcox).
With razors edge in schmedley wilcox, you could do like you've done with ACOS/6DOIT and split into Octavarium or Razor's Edge by itself.

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« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2009, 11:41:21 AM »
setrataeso, did you manually go through each setlist and tot up the information or use the search facility where you could?

I briefly had a bash at writing a program to go through them, although it was irritating due to alot of special cases, eg caught in a web mash ups..
Hard to say what counts and what doesn't (eg Metropolis/LTL/Crimson sunset medley this tour has most of metropolis, but misses the good bit at the end).

Still, great effort on your part, although it would be nice to see the proportions of each song in a medley. (eg trial of tears 153, 50 in schmedley wilcox).
With razors edge in schmedley wilcox, you could do like you've done with ACOS/6DOIT and split into Octavarium or Razor's Edge by itself.


I went through each show one by one and counted each song one at a time.
Another thing is that I haven't heard every one of the medleys played. I can't be sure how much of each song gets played. I know that more of THe Dance of Eternity is played in Instrumedley than say, Hells Kitchen. But for something like the recent Metropolis/LTL/Crimson Sunset medley, which I haven't actually heard, I can't be sure how much of each thing is played. I got to count them all.
What if almost all of Metropolis is played except the last verse? Do I count the whole thing because of the significant portion of it that had been played? If I do that, I have to count it for every song if a significant portion of it is played.
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« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2009, 11:44:20 AM »
I totally understand that reasoning, we clearly just differ in our definitions of "significant".

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« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2009, 12:29:18 PM »
These are some VERY cool statistics. However, I think you should've counted the medleys the same way you count demos and solos.

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« Reply #33 on: November 04, 2009, 01:45:15 PM »
They should never play PMU ever again and just leave it there. So :metal

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« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2009, 02:56:29 PM »
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