The Anthrax thread

[Stadler]

Not sure if this video was already discussed or not but I just saw it recently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiI-7Lfg71I

Even if he's right - which I find dubious - I HATE videos like that.  "I HAVE to be honest, I have to be blunt!"  "I quit because Scott was a bastard and rip-off artist".    No, you're a fucking nobody and Scott is in one of the Big Four (I know that doesn't necessarily follow logically, but still).  You can be anything you want, and coming out 40 years later with an angry victim story isn't going to give you any more credibility than that. 

EDIT:  The more I watch - and I can't pull away - it's more maddening.  He's basically saying "Scott Ian ripped me off, but I wrote those and can prove it because I ripped off Ted Nugent and Moody Blues!"   He claims an "affinity" for the "walk-down" and fails to acknowledge that Motorhead did that ("Ace Of Spades") long before him. 

I think some of the shots at Ian - "Rosenfeld" and "he can't play guitar" - are unnecessary, especially from a guy that basically flipped houses his whole life. 

Bitterness is such an ugly trait.

[Setlist Scotty]

They also seemed to better explain Paul Crook leaving the band than they did with Joey.

[EPICVIEW] I disagree Boss ,,, thats not really the way it happened

They say its about how they have no money,  its about signing Caggiano to a contract for less money.  but its obvious that they were pissed off at him by the way he accused Carpenter of leaving an error in a movie. Thats the real reason why they kicked him out.     comparing him to Belladonna is just ridiculous

The drama is better than the music.... love the spin on this one by the "band"   MY OPINION[/EPICVIEW]


 

[jammindude]

 

[TAC]

Ouch!

[DoctorAction]

WCFYA video is up. It's my least favourite of the Bush albums by a long way, honestly.

I love Refuse To Be Denied, Superhero, Nobody Knows Anything and Black Dahlia.

What Doesn't Die, WCFYA, Any Place But Here, Strap It On and Think About An End a fair bit less.

Safe Home, Cadillac Rock Box, Taking The Music Back don't do anything for me.

I saw them on this tour in London, though, and it was an absolutely fantastic night. I'd been into them since Among came out but had not seen them until that point.

[RodrigoAltaf]

 What caught my attention is that at the end of the WCFYA video it says "coming up next" and the cover of Worship Music is shown. Which means they will completely ignore two albums - The Greater of Two Evils and Music of Mass Destruction - and the whole Dan Nelson fiasco.

[TAC]

WCFYA video is up. It's my least favourite of the Bush albums by a long way, honestly.

It's easily my least favorite Anthrax album, and the only one I actively don't like.

To me, there's just something missing. There's no melody, just straight ahead brutality.

I do like Taking The Music Back, Any Place But Here, and Think About An End. Safe Home would be much better without that ungodly verse.

[Grappler]

That's probably why i love the album so much!   

It really was a great comeback record after Volume 8.  Every song on WCFYA just knocks you on your ass with a HUGE riff.  John's vocals have plenty of melody for me.  At the time I was just a casual Anthrax fan, but this disc put them back in one of my top bands.  I remember listening to this album so much throughout 2003 - I had just gotten my first real office job out of college and it was my commute music as I drove my '72 Mustang down the highway.  No A/C, windows down, WCFYA cranked as loud as possible, racing through rush hour traffic. 

I really regret not going to the Chicago Metro show that they filmed for the DVD on this tour.   I honestly think I'd put this album as my #2 Anthrax record behind Among the Living.  It's just that good.

[cfmoran13]

What caught my attention is that at the end of the WCFYA video it says "coming up next" and the cover of Worship Music is shown. Which means they will completely ignore two albums - The Greater of Two Evils and Music of Mass Destruction - and the whole Dan Nelson fiasco.

I noticed that, too.  I'm hoping that, even if the majority of the episode focuses on Worship Music, they at least talk about the Joey/John tour that fell through and the Dan Nelson debacle.  I mean, there was even a reunion of the classic line-up for about a year or so that resulted in a live CD/DVD.  I was at that show in Sayreville they recorded.  What an amazing show that was!  The energy was incredible.

[TAC]

Didn't Frank leave for a bit too?

[cfmoran13]

Didn't Frank leave for a bit too?

Yeah, he left in 2004 (to join Helmet) and was replaced by Armored Saint's Joey Vera. 

[RodrigoAltaf]

Didn't Frank leave for a bit too?

Yeah, he left in 2004 (to join Helmet) and was replaced by Armored Saint's Joey Vera.

I saw them with Joey Vera.

[DoctorAction]

WCFYA video is up. It's my least favourite of the Bush albums by a long way, honestly.

It's easily my least favorite Anthrax album, and the only one I actively don't like.

To me, there's just something missing. There's no melody, just straight ahead brutality.

I do like Taking The Music Back, Any Place But Here, and Think About An End. Safe Home would be much better without that ungodly verse.

Funny isn't it? The metal parts for me are great, but the less metal parts just don't pump me. Unlike Vol 8 where they did. There's almost a rock vibe on it that feels like Thrax Diluted
 to me.

Totally agree about the verse on Safe Home. The chorus is ok but the the verse is super clunky, somehow.

I also don't agree with them about the great sound they talked about. It sounds kinda muffled and mid-rangey to me.

But I loved it at the time and played the hell out of it. Also have lots of car memories of it. I feel bad moaning about it cos I love the band, of course.

There sure is a lot to cover before the arrival of WM!

[DoctorAction]

Just been in the car down to the local shops to pick up a steak with Nobody Know Anything at a massive volume.

The drums on that track are fucking incredible!

[Setlist Scotty]

What caught my attention is that at the end of the WCFYA video it says "coming up next" and the cover of Worship Music is shown. Which means they will completely ignore two albums - The Greater of Two Evils and Music of Mass Destruction - and the whole Dan Nelson fiasco.

I noticed that, too.  I'm hoping that, even if the majority of the episode focuses on Worship Music, they at least talk about the Joey/John tour that fell through and the Dan Nelson debacle.

Given that they're going through their whole history, I will be very disappointed if they completely blow off the Dan Nelson debacle as if it never happened.

[DoctorAction]

Same.

[Grappler]

Well, Worship Music was written at the time that Dan Nelson was in the band and he sang some of those songs live.   Maybe they don't get into the details, but I think they could mention him.

[wolfking]

Always found it hard to get into this band, although For All Kings is excellent.
 
Anyway, scrolling through my YouTube recomendations the video for a song called What Doesn't Die popped up.  Since I've been digging the latest Armored Saint gave it a view.  Man, awesome heavy shit.  I think I own WCFYA (Lol, never listened to probably) but I might try and find it and give it a spin.

[TAC]

WTF is going on with this video series??

[Setlist Scotty]

WTF is going on with this video series??

The same disc as happened with the rotating door of their vocalists! Nobody knows!

Probably worried about Dan Nelson slapping them with a lawsuit.    Be curious to see if and how they address that whole mess. Can't imagine they'd talk Dan into appearing on the video even if they gave him some money - the fall out between them seemed pretty bad.

[WilliamMunny]

Alright...so I finally got around to watching this, and boy oh boy, this might be the best 'metal' documentary I've ever watched (spoken as a huge Anthrax fan).

Really well done, so kudos to all the guys in the band.

I'm definitely on the island with the four other dudes who not only prefer the John Bush years, but rank his albums way up on the list (SOWN is a top-5 album of the 90's for me), but I appreciated all the early years stuff.

It's funny, the episode where they talked about the singer change was pretty much ten minutes of beating around the bush 

All in all, I can't wait to watch the rest of this series...been listening to the catalog all week...totally forgot how good For All Kings sounds.

[TAC]

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[Setlist Scotty]

Dangit Tim - I was thinking they finally uploaded a new episode. Guess not.   

[TAC]

The live stream was yesterday.

Anthrax released this video from it..The Devil You Know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkmSzdiwGS0

They also released a Thank You video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGD-LU2fksM

This dude has uploaded a couple of tracks:
AIR
Among The Living

[TAC]

This is the setlist according to some dude n Youtube that is doing a review of it.

Anthrax - 40th Anniversary Livestream Tracklist:

Fight 'Em 'Til You Can't (With “Time” intro)
Madhouse
Caught in a Mosh
Metal Thrashing Mad
Got the Time
I Am the Law
Keep It in the Family
Lone Justice
The Devil You Know
Be All, End All
Now It's Dark
Antisocial
In the End
Medusa
Evil Twin
Indians
A Skeleton in the Closet
Aftershock
Blood Eagle Wings
Bring the Noise
A.I.R.
Among the Living
Encore:
Breathing Lightning
Protest and Survive
Efilnikufesin (N.F.L.)


No Bush tunes??

[Grappler]

Given that Neil Turbin and John Bush both participated in the web docuseries, I really thought they would bring them back to sing a few songs for the livestream.

[jammindude]

Did they talk about the Dan debacle?

[TAC]

Given that Neil Turbin and John Bush both participated in the web docuseries, I really thought they would bring them back to sing a few songs for the livestream.

Yeah I agree, and that would be a big letdown if I were to pay for it. I would've expected John Bush for 3 or 4 tracks.

[Setlist Scotty]

Did they talk about the Dan debacle?

Not yet - that's what I'm waiting for, which should be in the next episode (23) if they continue on with it. Now that they've done the live stream, there's less to celebrate, so I'm wondering if they still will. Hopefully we'll find out soon...

[RodrigoAltaf]

Despite all the hype about this livestream, looking at the setlist it feels like they played it safe. No guests, no deep tracks...

[Grappler]

Despite all the hype about this livestream, looking at the setlist it feels like they played it safe. No guests, no deep tracks...

That's how I felt.  I think the lack of any guest vocalist is out of deference to Joey.  I always get the feeling that they have to walk on eggshells regarding him and any potential thing with someone else singing in the band, even a guest spot.  At least they played a long set.

[ProfessorPeart]

Despite all the hype about this livestream, looking at the setlist it feels like they played it safe. No guests, no deep tracks...

That's how I felt.  I think the lack of any guest vocalist is out of deference to Joey.  I always get the feeling that they have to walk on eggshells regarding him and any potential thing with someone else singing in the band, even a guest spot.  At least they played a long set.

That's exactly my take. They have been bitten too many times with trying a multi-vocalist thing. They are in a good place with Joey and he is bringing it. I think they have learned not poke the bear, so to speak. I believe they have only had Joe sing Only. Not sure if they have ever even discussed other John era songs with him. Would actually love to know if it has ever came up. But then I can see why maybe it never has. The way they dumped Joe, I guess I couldn't blame him if he had no interest.

As for the setlist, Aftershock and Lone Justice were surprises. I would have loved to see Armed and Dangerous complete with the intro in there.

[ProfessorPeart]

New video!

Unfortunately, it's just a 5 minute thank you vid.

TAC will get excited by Frankie's shirt, that's about it.

[TAC]

Yes, that's a fine piece of wardrobe there!

[Samsara]

Here's my .02 about the 40th anniversary livestream -- it was marketed as a celebration of the band's FULL history. The imagery associated with promoting the event contained the cover images of the Bush-era catalog. AT THE VERY LEAST songs from the Bush era should have been played. They sure as hell played stuff from Turbin. Why not John Bush?

They played "Only" during the Big 4. So there's no excuses. The bottom line is, Anthrax MISREPRESENTED what they were doing. It was a great show, marred because they essentially lied about what they were doing.

I don't know what the deal is with them and Bush. They (Charlie, Scott, Frankie) LOVE the Bush era catalog, and frankly, that's the music they want to play. Joey says the right things, but obviously, the proof is in the pudding -- he doesn't sing the Bush stuff except for "Only" during that brief period. I thought that Bush and the Anthrax guys were all in a good place, relationship-wise. Maybe they still are. All I know is, while I didn't expect Bush to be there (although I was really hoping for it), I DID expect, based on what Anthrax marketed the show as, a representation of the Bush era catalog. And we got ZERO.

They won't be getting my money again for a while.

My wife and I have seen Anthrax many, many times. Always a good show. We stopped going to see them, however, because the setlist got stale. I think we saw the first leg of the For All Kings tour. But all the songs other than those on the new record were stuff we've heard many times. It just got stale.

I was just saying, prior to the Anthrax livestream, that we should probably go see them again, and about a quarter of the way through, was really encouraged by how well they were playing. At the end, after we realized they bamboozled us into thinking they'd celebrate the Bush era catalog, we completely reversed course.

What Anthrax did was a slap in the face to John Bush and a slap in the face to the fans. Hell, I even got banned from Anthrax's Facebook page by saying that they put on a wonderful show but at the same time, did the Bush era fans wrong and it was disrespectful to Bush. That got my comment deleted and me banned from their page. 

Alrighty then... lol.