THE Iron Maiden Thread

[cramx3]

Iron maiden's website states "watch this" at 6pm GMT.  The speculation is tour updates specifically headlining Sonisphere this summer. 

[Dream Team]

I think that Clive Burr was the better drummer for Maiden. He had good timing, a great groove, and suited the style better at the time. I'm not saying that Nicko McBrain is bad, but his timing is weak at times (listen to Face In The Sand, he gets faster and faster throughout the song for no particular reason) and his drumming isn't always interesting.

Gotta agree, especially after watching Beast Over Hammersmith - wow, Clive slays on that.

[Dream Team]

Wow, that Clive thing spooked me too.  I was always a fan of his work.  Watching the Early Days concerts, the man was just a beast.  Nicko has only just recently started to really jump out at me. 

Steve Harris

To me, this guy is just about the most "metal" guy of all time. Never cut his hair, always stuck to his guns, never changed his style no matter what shitty popular genre comes along (grunge, nu-metal, metalcore), while other bands like Priest and Metallica gave into the temptation to follow trends Mr Harris just continued to churn out classic metal. Quite simply he has written many of the greatest metal songs of all time (Phantom of the Opera, Killers, 22 Acacia Avenue, Hallowed be thy Name, Where Eagles Dare, The Trooper, To Tame a Land, Aces High, Rime of the Ancient Mariner, need I go on?) Totally dedicated and passionate about the music and the fans.

I probably don't need to mention the man's skillz on the bass guitar.

To be frank, I wonder if that attitude has damaged the band as well as won it support. I don't think Priest ever sold out, they just made their sound heavier.

On the contrary, Priest sold out horrendously, and it hurt them dearly.  I'm not the only one who gave up on them because of Turbo.  This is something that Maiden never did.  There was a long period where Priest seemed to be chasing whatever style was popular at the time. 

How did they sell out? They started with hard rock, moved to metal and now play with hard rock and metal elements.

With a foray into 80's hair metal to get some MTV and radio time.  There was a long stretch where they seemed to be chasing the popular trends. 
Maiden damn sure never pulled anything like this.

This is correct. After Priest did the hair metal/glam thing, thrash was at its peak and Priest released their thrashiest album (Painkiller). Death metal took over in the 90s and Priest released the death metal-influenced Jugulator. By 2003 nu-metal was popular and Demolition had plenty of nu-metal elements.

[glaurung]

Ironmaiden.com won't even load. Can't say I'm surprised.

[GuineaPig]

Damn, the announcement was only for headlining Sonisphere in the UK.  I was hoping for a full tour announcement.

[glaurung]

Really? That's kind of disappointing.

[GuineaPig]

Yeah.  Usually when they preface it with something like that, it's a whole string of tour dates.

[Mladen]

Yep, it's only Sonisphere...

[bodiesinflight]

Good for me cause I'm most probably going to Sonisphere!

Apparently it's gonna be their only UK date of 2010 altho I cannae confirm that

[cramx3]

Really? That's kind of disappointing.

I knew they would announce Sonisphere which sounds like an awesome line up, but I was really hoping for more dates specifically USA dates.  Found it interesting that it says it's thier only UK show in 2010. 

[AndyDT]

Wow, that Clive thing spooked me too.  I was always a fan of his work.  Watching the Early Days concerts, the man was just a beast.  Nicko has only just recently started to really jump out at me. 

Steve Harris

To me, this guy is just about the most "metal" guy of all time. Never cut his hair, always stuck to his guns, never changed his style no matter what shitty popular genre comes along (grunge, nu-metal, metalcore), while other bands like Priest and Metallica gave into the temptation to follow trends Mr Harris just continued to churn out classic metal. Quite simply he has written many of the greatest metal songs of all time (Phantom of the Opera, Killers, 22 Acacia Avenue, Hallowed be thy Name, Where Eagles Dare, The Trooper, To Tame a Land, Aces High, Rime of the Ancient Mariner, need I go on?) Totally dedicated and passionate about the music and the fans.

I probably don't need to mention the man's skillz on the bass guitar.

To be frank, I wonder if that attitude has damaged the band as well as won it support. I don't think Priest ever sold out, they just made their sound heavier.

On the contrary, Priest sold out horrendously, and it hurt them dearly.  I'm not the only one who gave up on them because of Turbo.  This is something that Maiden never did.  There was a long period where Priest seemed to be chasing whatever style was popular at the time. 

How did they sell out? They started with hard rock, moved to metal and now play with hard rock and metal elements.

With a foray into 80's hair metal to get some MTV and radio time.  There was a long stretch where they seemed to be chasing the popular trends. 
Maiden damn sure never pulled anything like this.

This is correct. After Priest did the hair metal/glam thing, thrash was at its peak and Priest released their thrashiest album (Painkiller). Death metal took over in the 90s and Priest released the death metal-influenced Jugulator. By 2003 nu-metal was popular and Demolition had plenty of nu-metal elements.

I'd say there's a difference between adaptation and selling out.

Whereas someone like Queensryche could be accused of dropping metal completely, Priest have tried to keep within their vision while not abandoning their sound.

The idea that Maiden haven't changed as well - as if Dianno era would have had songs about "dinosaurs walking the earth" . People seem to be forgetting that Maiden were reduced to a shadow of their former selves for most of the 90s.

Ask most people which is better "No prayer for the dying" or "Painkiller" and I think most would say the latter.

[El Barto]

Ask most people which is better "No prayer for the dying" or "Painkiller" and I think most would say the latter.

I certainly would.  However, NPftD is still very much Maiden; just not particularly good Maiden.  Painkiller was yet another completely different version of Priest.  Any Maiden fan could listen to any of their albums and immediately recognize the music.  Try following along from Defenders-Turbo-Ram it Down-Painkiller.  Their's no musical similarity between them. 

Furthermore, Priest went in whichever direction the money seemed to be thickest.  I don't think anybody could say that Maiden released No Prayer to try and get rich off of MTV and radio airplay. 

[TAC]

The main difference is that Judas Priest peaked with Painkiller, while Maiden bottomed out with No Prayer.

The tours were both quite interesting. The first leg of the Painkiller tour had Megadeth and Testament opening up Priest were amazing. Then they came back with the Operation Rock n Roll package, and Alice Cooper mopped the stage with them. Something was missing from their performance as the tour went on.

Maiden, although the No Prayer album was very disappointing, the No Prayer tour was one of their most spirited shows. I saw them in New Jersey and in Providence and they kicked complete ass!

[GuineaPig]

Iron Maiden just announced that they're headlining Sonisphere in Sweden and Finland also.

[Mladen]

Ask most people which is better "No prayer for the dying" or "Painkiller" and I think most would say the latter.

And this is important why?

[GuineaPig]

Hmm, it would be pretty cool if Maiden were unveiling tour dates every day, sort of like an Advent calendar...

[AndyDT]

Ask most people which is better "No prayer for the dying" or "Painkiller" and I think most would say the latter.

And this is important why?

Because I think most people would not say Priest "sold out".

[El Barto]

Ask most people which is better "No prayer for the dying" or "Painkiller" and I think most would say the latter.

And this is important why?

Because I think most people would not say Priest "sold out".

Painkiller was cool, and NPftD was pretty bad, but the point remains.  Maiden never sold out, and Priest did big-time, repeatedly through the late 80's. 

[GuineaPig]

I don't think NPFtD is that bad, it's just uninspired.  It's all pretty consistent, but overall just so average.  Whereas its successor is split into amazing songs and awful ones.

[AndyDT]

Ask most people which is better "No prayer for the dying" or "Painkiller" and I think most would say the latter.

And this is important why?

Because I think most people would not say Priest "sold out".

Painkiller was cool, and NPftD was pretty bad, but the point remains.  Maiden never sold out, and Priest did big-time, repeatedly through the late 80's. 

Your point yes.

[skydivingninja]

Ask most people which is better "No prayer for the dying" or "Painkiller" and I think most would say the latter.

And this is important why?

Because I think most people would not say Priest "sold out".

I thought this was what most metal fans thought, actually.  I've heard it so much.

[GuineaPig]

Another gig announced.

August 11th, Bergen, Norway.

[tri.ad]

Another gig announced.

August 11th, Bergen, Norway.

I wonder if the new album will be released by then.

[GuineaPig]

I'm 99% sure the answer is no.  They're on the same schedule as AMOLAD/DOD, which means we're looking at a September release, with a summer pre-tour and a fall album tour.

[Birch Boy]

I'm 99% sure the answer is no.  They're on the same schedule as AMOLAD/DOD, which means we're looking at a September release, with a summer pre-tour and a fall album tour.

So, if I see them pre-album, will they not be coming back for the actual tour? As in, say they go on a N/S American tour, and My part of NA gets toured right before the album release, and SA gets toured with the album, will I get to see them play in support of the new one? Another way to look at it: Is the pre-album tour separate from the album tour?

[GuineaPig]

I'd find it unlikely for them to skip NA on an album tour.  That being said, it might be extremely limited such as the 2004 NA Dance of Death tour, or to a lesser extent the AMOLAD tour.

[Scard]

Toronto and Quebec are some of Maiden's biggest craziest places, as stated on Flight 666. I doubt they would skip Canada during the album part of the tour. Either way, recording in January, album will come out shortly after, around July-ish? then tour starts shortly after that. Fuckin eh!

[cramx3]

They are writing songs now, will record in early 2010, do a summer pre tour, and release the album early fall.  Then do a world tour in late fall through early 2010.  Maiden said that Sonisphere UK will be the only show in the UK this year so that makes me think they will hit up Europe toward the end of the album tour.  I expe t the summer tour to include maybe one or atthe most two new songs, but I expect a strong dose of songs from their last three albums mixed with the classics.  I just hope NA gets summer dates and fall dates.  I fully expect them to tour NA forthe new album though, at least the major cities.

[Birch Boy]

Thanks to everyone that answered.

I was just scared that they would pull a Megadeth ( ) and only play the songs that had been released before the album came out (Headcrusher, then 1,320' later on) until the album came out. So the people that saw them before Endgame basically got screwed over if they wanted to hear the new album.

[GuineaPig]

I've been hearing rumours of May for NA 

[Birch Boy]

I've been hearing rumours of May for NA 

[GuineaPig]

Maiden headlining Wacken confirmed.

[Birch Boy]

Besides Ozzfest (which to me has worsened exponentially over time), are there ANY metal festivals in the US???

[GuineaPig]

Besides Ozzfest (which to me has worsened exponentially over time), are there ANY metal festivals in the US???

Couple underground ones, couple mid-sized ones (Progpower, for example).  Only festival in the larger European sense is Heavy MTL, which had its first year in 2008 and is gearing up for 2010.

[Zeltar]

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