THE Iron Maiden Thread

[Lowdz]

Really?  The intro is a huge part of why I like the song so much.

The intro puts me off the whole album. Weird, I know.

[Mosh]

Yeah, I wish the intro didn't exist.  Plus, Nicko's awfully cut and pasted kick drum is horrible.

Not Nicko, it's a drum machine.

The intro is cool but they using parts from a demo was a mistake. Can't stand the title track.

[wolfking]

Yeah, I wish the intro didn't exist.  Plus, Nicko's awfully cut and pasted kick drum is horrible.

Not Nicko, it's a drum machine.

Really?  I have never heard that.

[Mosh]

Well it was mentioned in an interview and it's also somewhat obvious. It's a drum loop programmed by H. Give it a close listen (with headphones) and you'll probably be able to tell.

[wolfking]

Fair enough.  I thought it was just Nicko doing a few drum kicks and then it was looped but done poorly.  I don't know why Nicko just didn't get the double kicks out and did it that way.

[theseoafs]

Yeah, I was seriously disappointed in the intro.  The looping in particular is really poor; every four measures or so, there's a noticeable stutter.

[philmcson]

Fair enough.  I thought it was just Nicko doing a few drum kicks and then it was looped but done poorly.  I don't know why Nicko just didn't get the double kicks out and did it that way.

He's unable to play double bass..... he's tried it once (for the song Face in the sand from Dance of death) and couldn't keep the rhythm straight for longer than 5 seconds.... so they programmed the double beat....

[wolfking]

I have never heard that.  I know he doesn't like the double kick, but never heard that that drum line was programmed, adn that he simply can't play it.  The reason why they didn't play it live was that Nicko knew he couldn't keep that up live night after night, but never heard that about the studio version.

[GuineaPig]

I believe that Steve liked the demo version enough that they never recorded it in the studio.

[cfmoran13]

Just curious... is anyone here a fan of Showtime's show Californication?  At the end of each episode, there's usually a melancholy acoustic cover song playing.  Watching last week's episode, I found myself singing the words, not really sure what the song was.  So, I rewound it to listen again.  Turns out, it was an acoustic cover of Maiden's "Wasted Years"!  It was pretty cool.

[Dream Team]

Fair enough.  I thought it was just Nicko doing a few drum kicks and then it was looped but done poorly.  I don't know why Nicko just didn't get the double kicks out and did it that way.

He's unable to play double bass..... he's tried it once (for the song Face in the sand from Dance of death) and couldn't keep the rhythm straight for longer than 5 seconds.... so they programmed the double beat....

Yeah, but his one foot is damned fast . . . I think they were just going for the vibe of the programmed, electronic sound. Futuristic.

[bosk1]

I don't know whether it is programmed because Nicko couldn't play it properly, if they just liked how it sounded, or some other reason.  I just know it's awesome as is, and I'm having a really difficult time understanding why people don't like it.  But whatever.

[kirksnosehair]

For me, personally, I think the intro just drones on a bit too long.  I actually hacked it off the version I have on my iPod 

[El Barto]

I don't know whether it is programmed because Nicko couldn't play it properly, if they just liked how it sounded, or some other reason.  I just know it's awesome as is, and I'm having a really difficult time understanding why people don't like it.  But whatever.

I don't necessarily dislike it, but it is fundamentally unMaidenlike.

I do remember reading an interview where Nicko said that playing double bass was the hardest thing he'd ever tried to do and we'd absolutely never hear him do it again. What I don't get about S15 is that with Nicko's foot speed it sure seems like he could play it single kick.

I do get why they're using a pre-recorded version live, since that'd be a bitch of a way to start the show, although I'd rather see them open with something else anyway.

[bosk1]

I don't know whether it is programmed because Nicko couldn't play it properly, if they just liked how it sounded, or some other reason.  I just know it's awesome as is, and I'm having a really difficult time understanding why people don't like it.  But whatever.

I don't necessarily dislike it, but it is fundamentally unMaidenlike.

I do remember reading an interview where Nicko said that playing double bass was the hardest thing he'd ever tried to do and we'd absolutely never hear him do it again. What I don't get about S15 is that with Nicko's foot speed it sure seems like he could play it single kick.

I do get why they're using a pre-recorded version live, since that'd be a bitch of a way to start the show, although I'd rather see them open with something else anyway.

Bands frequently use pre-recorded intros like that for stuff that they clearly can play.  It used to bother me, but it has become so commonplace that I don't even really give it a second thought anymore.  For example, DT does it all the time with the intro to Metropolis.  Why don't they play that part live?  I don't know.  But, again, I've gotten used to it, so no big deal. 

[Jaq]

Hell, Maiden themselves have never played the intro to Aces High live. 

And I like Station 15 myself because it's so un-Maiden like. Here's a band on their 15th album who spends a lot of their time getting hammered for sounding the same as always, and they open the album with four minutes of music that sounds like nothing they've never done before. This far into their career, that takes brass balls to do.

[El Barto]

I don't know whether it is programmed because Nicko couldn't play it properly, if they just liked how it sounded, or some other reason.  I just know it's awesome as is, and I'm having a really difficult time understanding why people don't like it.  But whatever.

I don't necessarily dislike it, but it is fundamentally unMaidenlike.

I do remember reading an interview where Nicko said that playing double bass was the hardest thing he'd ever tried to do and we'd absolutely never hear him do it again. What I don't get about S15 is that with Nicko's foot speed it sure seems like he could play it single kick.

I do get why they're using a pre-recorded version live, since that'd be a bitch of a way to start the show, although I'd rather see them open with something else anyway.

Bands frequently use pre-recorded intros like that for stuff that they clearly can play.  It used to bother me, but it has become so commonplace that I don't even really give it a second thought anymore.  For example, DT does it all the time with the intro to Metropolis.  Why don't they play that part live?  I don't know.  But, again, I've gotten used to it, so no big deal.

Depending on how it's structured it can work real well. You get the nice, clean and [comparatively] quiet intro followed by loud and rough metal. Kind of kicks things up another level. Still, if you've got a great intro, I'd prefer you actually play it.

Priest is the best example of this. They've used a pre-recorded Hellion for decades, and it makes Electric Eye really pop when they start into it. At the same time, Hellion might be the single best intro to any album/song, and it'd be nice to hear them actually play it.

[theseoafs]

Fair enough.  I thought it was just Nicko doing a few drum kicks and then it was looped but done poorly.  I don't know why Nicko just didn't get the double kicks out and did it that way.

He's unable to play double bass..... he's tried it once (for the song Face in the sand from Dance of death) and couldn't keep the rhythm straight for longer than 5 seconds.... so they programmed the double beat....

This is wrong.

1) Nicko can play a double bass pedal -- Face in the Sand has him using double bass, and that song is longer than 5 seconds.
2) Face in the Sand is NOT programmed.  That's Nicko, using a double bass pedal.
3) Nicko can play double bass, he just doesn't like to.  He only used it on FITS because he couldn't quite get enough speed with a single pedal, and he didn't want to resort to programming the beat.

[Ruba]

Face in the Sand is one of the best re-union songs IMO.

[JayOctavarium]

Ignore this post. Following thread.

[Perpetual Change]

Nicko can't sing either: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmyoMTp60cE

[Zydar]

Oh Nicko

[Ruba]

Classic  .

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

With a new fart...

[Jaq]

Nicko can't sing either: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmyoMTp60cE

 

[Cyclopssss]

BBC interview Bruce Dickinson ´Hard Talk´ (pt 1.) Pretty interesting...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7myOt9N-UcA

Pt 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ec1dgs_c-0

[Perpetual Change]

BBC interview Bruce Dickinson ´Hard Talk´ (pt 1.) Pretty interesting...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7myOt9N-UcA

Pt 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ec1dgs_c-0

Yeah, I posted that a page or two back. Interesting stuff, especially the political angle. Bruce seems to think of himself more as an entrepreneur now.

[Mladen]

Nicko can't sing either: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmyoMTp60cE

Amazing. ''Lost me place again...'' 

I don't think the played the double bass on Face in the sand too well, he is precise but he keeps speeding it up. It's no wonder he doesn't want to bother with the double bass pedal.

[TAC]

And I like Station 15 myself because it's so un-Maiden like. Here's a band on their 15th album who spends a lot of their time getting hammered for sounding the same as always, and they open the album with four minutes of music that sounds like nothing they've never done before. This far into their career, that takes brass balls to do.

This is how I feel. I also agree with Kirk that it does drag on just a bit long, and I don't think it segues great with TFF.

But a great intro!

[kirksnosehair]

^yeah, if it were two minutes long I'd probably have left it alone.  I do give them credit, though, for trying something a bit different. 

[bosk1]

I do give them credit, though, for trying something a bit AWESOME!

Fixed.

[kirksnosehair]

I take it you're enjoying The Final Frontier?

I go back and forth between that one and A Matter of Life and Death as being my favorite reunion albums

[Scorpion]

I really, really like TFF, but for me, AMOLAD is right up with Seventh Son, Somewhere in Time and Powerslave in terms of quality. The Legacy might very well be my favourite Iron Maiden song.

[Lowdz]

Just curious... is anyone here a fan of Showtime's show Californication?  At the end of each episode, there's usually a melancholy acoustic cover song playing.  Watching last week's episode, I found myself singing the words, not really sure what the song was.  So, I rewound it to listen again.  Turns out, it was an acoustic cover of Maiden's "Wasted Years"!  It was pretty cool.

Was it this version?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8m1t2tpvH0

[bosk1]

I take it you're enjoying The Final Frontier?

Yes, very much.  I picked it up over the weekend.  Unfortunately, I spent virtually the entire weekend, including late into Friday night, stuck working at a computer.  We have a second computer at that desk as well, which I was using for music, and I had En Vivo going probably about half a dozen times this weekend (not counting the few times I just played Satellite 15/The Final Frontier over and over).  This album is absolutely fantastic.