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Dream Theater announces 16th Studio Album - Parasomnia

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MinistroRaven

Quote from: faizoff on February 04, 2025, 11:13:55 AMWhat's strange is I've been sleeping like a baby the past few weeks as I've been going to sleep early every night. Last night after hearing the album, I had trouble sleeping lol. Not because of the album though, just a weird coincidence.
DT has the next album title already:
Sleep Hygiene = refers to a set of practices and habits that help promote good quality sleep and improve overall sleep health. It's all about creating an environment and routine that supports restful, uninterrupted sleep.

Stadler

Quote from: TheHoveringSojourn808 on February 04, 2025, 09:11:41 AMNo, because it isn't against the rules to discuss an album after the release date, and you would have no expectation of remaining spoiler free in such an environment anyway. Are you just being pedantic? Haha, Like, isn't that exactly what I already said above when I asked if there was a spoiler-free place to discuss?

EDIT: Also, I guess I wouldn't understand the point of rule 2b if some seem to be saying "So?" to it. Should the rule just be removed? haha, I'm all for removing rules that aren't enforced or don't matter. It would have made it clearer when I opened this thread that I could be spoiled.

But I'm not being pedantic; we're at a crossroads of intent. One likely argument behind not discussing leaks is to not reward those that take money out of the pockets of the artists.  Presumably by having the discussion about "leaks" it promotes the leaks and encourages the leakers and that's bad. Plus there's the chance that they aren't the final versions, aren't artist approved, etc.  But this site exists primarily to have discussions about the band and the music.  So presumably, we WANT to have discussions about the music if it's legally procured.  We WANT to promote - encourage - the legal procurement of the music.  Talking about it does that.

If we talk about it today, for example, those that have legit copies (I'm not one of them, by the way; mine has supposedly shipped, but no tracking info as of yet).  It might inspire those on the fence to call their local Amazon and order up.  That would presumably be a good thing, no?

EDIT:  And I saw Bosk's post.  He's the boss and we honor that.  So I'm not arguing against him; I know the rules and I WILL follow them.  I'm just explaining why I asked the question to begin with.  I (believe I) had good intent in doing so, not just to be "contrarian".

Max Kuehnau

Quote from: nobloodyname on February 04, 2025, 09:03:58 AMAh, so I didn't miss it. Good. None of DT's surround mixes have impressed me so far. Here's hoping this one is better!
I don't know how on earth I could have confused the two formats (I know they are different), but I just did. Sorry mate.
All my natural instincts are begging me to stop
But somehow I carry on, heading for the top
A physical absurdity, a tremendous mental game
Helping me understand exactly who I am

TheBarstoolWarrior

Disclaimer: All opinions stated are my own unless otherwise specified. I do not personally know any present or former members of DT. From time to time where the context is or should be obvious, I may decline to explicitly label my words as opinion. I cannot predict the future.

MinistroRaven

Quote from: TheBarstoolWarrior on February 04, 2025, 12:17:48 PMNew interview with both JP and MP:

https://youtu.be/ehK5cTKVAWI?si=eo_CjVAkq_N5Keap
It confirms that they had the conversation with Mangini over the phone. Not my band, but I would have done it in person. 

cramx3

Quote from: MinistroRaven on February 04, 2025, 12:40:51 PMIt confirms that they had the conversation with Mangini over the phone. Not my band, but I would have done it in person.

In general, I agree, but they don't all live near each other so it probably doesn't make sense to do the 4 hour drive from Long Island to Boston (roughly) just to have that conversation. 

Max Kuehnau

same as with Derek (him living in California and them living on the east coast)
All my natural instincts are begging me to stop
But somehow I carry on, heading for the top
A physical absurdity, a tremendous mental game
Helping me understand exactly who I am

Stadler

Quote from: cramx3 on February 04, 2025, 12:44:51 PMIn general, I agree, but they don't all live near each other so it probably doesn't make sense to do the 4 hour drive from Long Island to Boston (roughly) just to have that conversation. 

And with Facetime, Teams, and what not...

Northern Lion

Quote from: MinistroRaven on February 04, 2025, 12:40:51 PMIt confirms that they had the conversation with Mangini over the phone. Not my band, but I would have done it in person.
Well, they initially told him over the phone that he was in the band too.  So same treatment for both.  Not saying it's right, and I agree with you, but at least it's consistent.

TheBarstoolWarrior

I'm shocked John said as much as he did about it  :lol

Anyone else get the sense James felt weird/maybe slightly uncomfortable by talking about it in that recent interview?
Disclaimer: All opinions stated are my own unless otherwise specified. I do not personally know any present or former members of DT. From time to time where the context is or should be obvious, I may decline to explicitly label my words as opinion. I cannot predict the future.

bosk1

Quote from: Northern Lion on February 04, 2025, 12:49:34 PMWell, they initially told him over the phone that he was in the band too. 

I don't know that that has ever been confirmed, but it is probably the most likely scenario. 

But as far as the convo about changing plans to bring in MP, under the circumstances with them being several hours distant from one another, a phone call makes sense.  I don't know that traveling that far to have the conversation in person makes it any less awkward or difficult.  In fact, given that they probably don't travel to meet in person unless they are recording or rehearsing, it may have been even more awkward and difficult.

Stadler

#2811
Some of the best moments are the throwaway comments.  "Everyone is more invested, everyone knows what's happening... for the most part... hopefully!" 

Not a criticism, not a bad thing, just observation, but Mike looks tired (though, as always, sharp as a tack).

bosk1

Quote from: Stadler on February 04, 2025, 01:16:18 PM...observation, but Mike looks tired.

Not sure when/where it was recorded, but Mike was REALLY busy at NAMM, judging from all the Metal Allegiance videos.  Looks like he was up late playing gigs the whole time he was there. 

BeatriceNB

Quote from: MirrorMask on February 04, 2025, 05:37:27 AMEasy: they don't know enough about photography and lightning to notice or to care.

And that's not a knock on them. We can't all be experts of everything. There are people who live and die by the sonic quality of a medium while other folks can't tell the difference between a .wav file and a 320k MP3. They're not dumb and they have not bad hearing, they're just content with the audio quality they hear.

There are so many experts of specific things that get a movie almost "ruined", because of the glaring error in their specific field, while so many other people enjoy the movie 'cause they don't care or know enough about a detailed issue. That's normal, it goes like this for movies, for music and also for artworks.
The thing is, I do know about photography, lighting, composition, blocking... But I also know that lighting in fiction sometimes defies logic for the sake of visuals, in this case, the light in front of the girl, and the direction of the shadow of the bed. I can't tell if the window lighting in the right comes from behind, or a non-pictured window in the front.

Now, being honest, I still suspect the artwork is mostly or all AI, and AI fails a lot with lighting and other photography aspects. My original point was that the artwork quality looked better in that pic, compared to the digital versions I saw, where the image looked even more AI-y.

Northern Lion

Quote from: bosk1 on February 04, 2025, 01:06:41 PMI don't know that that has ever been confirmed, but it is probably the most likely scenario. 

But as far as the convo about changing plans to bring in MP, under the circumstances with them being several hours distant from one another, a phone call makes sense.  I don't know that traveling that far to have the conversation in person makes it any less awkward or difficult.  In fact, given that they probably don't travel to meet in person unless they are recording or rehearsing, it may have been even more awkward and difficult.
It was filmed that way in the documentary, but that may have just been done for the film.

bosk1

^Yeah, I suspect that was a re-enactment or a re-shoot.  I mean, it likely was done by phone call.  But I don't think the phone call we saw was the actual one. 

TAC

Quote from: bosk1 on February 04, 2025, 04:14:58 PM^Yeah, I suspect that was a re-enactment or a re-shoot.  I mean, it likely was done by phone call.  But I don't think the phone call we saw was the actual one. 
Is this an informed opinion?
Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Stadler on February 08, 2025, 12:49:43 PMI wouldn't argue this.

wolfking

Why would they bother doing that?  I mean, it's not like they were shooting a Hollywood movie or something.

faizoff

Quote from: Stadler on February 04, 2025, 01:16:18 PMNot a criticism, not a bad thing, just observation, but Mike looks tired (though, as always, sharp as a tack).
Yup the guy's eyes are tired. Great interview though.

wolfking

Quote from: MinistroRaven on February 04, 2025, 12:40:51 PMIt confirms that they had the conversation with Mangini over the phone. Not my band, but I would have done it in person.

I don't think it makes a difference.  If I were MM, I'd probably prefer it over the phone.

TheBarstoolWarrior

Now that we have these interviews in which they tell us how he reacted, the more interested conversations are the ones they had with each other about if they should do this and why.
Disclaimer: All opinions stated are my own unless otherwise specified. I do not personally know any present or former members of DT. From time to time where the context is or should be obvious, I may decline to explicitly label my words as opinion. I cannot predict the future.

wolfking

Quote from: TheBarstoolWarrior on February 04, 2025, 05:01:05 PMNow that we have these interviews in which they tell us how he reacted, the more interested conversations are the ones they had with each other about if they should do this and why.

Do what?  Get MP back?

TheBarstoolWarrior

Quote from: wolfking on February 04, 2025, 05:12:31 PMDo what?  Get MP back?

Yes. That's those are the conversations that are shrouded in mystery likely forever. Even the way James started to address that, you could tell he was not getting into it ('without getting into it').
Disclaimer: All opinions stated are my own unless otherwise specified. I do not personally know any present or former members of DT. From time to time where the context is or should be obvious, I may decline to explicitly label my words as opinion. I cannot predict the future.

TAC

Quote from: TheBarstoolWarrior on February 04, 2025, 05:31:34 PMYes. That's those are the conversations that are shrouded in mystery likely forever. Even the way James started to address that, you could tell he was not getting into it ('without getting into it').

Well, John and Mike talked about it. There's been no news here.
Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Stadler on February 08, 2025, 12:49:43 PMI wouldn't argue this.

TheBarstoolWarrior

Quote from: TAC on February 04, 2025, 05:39:50 PMWell, John and Mike talked about it. There's been no news here.

Mike wasn't there though. I am just curious what was it that started to fly around in the air after the View tour that made them think we need this change. That appears to have been the actual starting point of the discussion. The way James talked about it made it seem like there was more than what we know.
Disclaimer: All opinions stated are my own unless otherwise specified. I do not personally know any present or former members of DT. From time to time where the context is or should be obvious, I may decline to explicitly label my words as opinion. I cannot predict the future.

wolfking

Wasn't it just JP and MP reconnecting and MP playing on Terminal Velocity and touring with him?  Things just went from there?  I don't think there's anything out there that we don't already know about the whole thing.  As Tim said, they've both discussed it in recent interviews.

TheBarstoolWarrior

Quote from: wolfking on February 04, 2025, 05:54:49 PMWasn't it just JP and MP reconnecting and MP playing on Terminal Velocity and touring with him?  Things just went from there?  I don't think there's anything out there that we don't already know about the whole thing.  As Tim said, they've both discussed it in recent interviews.

I'm skeptical that's all there was to it but maybe! Seemed like a much more straight forward answer for John than it was for James.
Disclaimer: All opinions stated are my own unless otherwise specified. I do not personally know any present or former members of DT. From time to time where the context is or should be obvious, I may decline to explicitly label my words as opinion. I cannot predict the future.

TAC

Quote from: TheBarstoolWarrior on February 04, 2025, 06:03:31 PMI'm skeptical that's all there was to it but maybe! Seemed like a much more straight forward answer for John than it was for James.

It's possible that John is simply more comfortable than James is discussing it. I don't think there's anything really hidden behind the scenes. I think James had more history than anyone else with Mangini, so I think there was an understatedness in his comments out of respect for MM.

Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Stadler on February 08, 2025, 12:49:43 PMI wouldn't argue this.

wolfking

Quote from: TheBarstoolWarrior on February 04, 2025, 06:03:31 PMI'm skeptical that's all there was to it but maybe! Seemed like a much more straight forward answer for John than it was for James.

I haven't really followed many interviews but if James is iffy or uncomfortable, I get it.  It would have been a tough situation too for him.  MP and James didn't get on, and we all know how critical MP was of James with his performances.  James was probably comfortable with things and felt less pressure with MM so he probably felt the most uneasy about the decision?  Who really knows. 

Also, James pretty much brought MM to the band.  They had a relationship beforehand so I'm sure this wasn't easy for him at all.  I also think JP would have said to MP that 'if you want back in, your relationship with James has to repair first.'  James probably struggled on many levels but in the end he probably knew that he really couldn't say no to MP coming back if things were heading that way.  He's a smart guy, and knows also DT is a business and would put his feelings and opinions aside for the sake of the band.  I think he knows himself, even though he's the voice of the band, his attitude would be no one is bigger than the band maybe.

Again, all pure speculating.

wolfking

Quote from: TAC on February 04, 2025, 06:17:45 PMIt's possible that John is simply more comfortable than James is discussing it. I don't think there's anything really hidden behind the scenes. I think James had more history than anyone else with Mangini, so I think there was an understatedness in his comments out of respect for MM.



This is kind of what I was trying to say, only more cohesive.  I think it really all comes down to the relationship MM and James had prior.

BeatriceNB

I personally don't think there's any bad blood or behind the scenes things that happened with Mangini and DT, otherwise I bet MM wouldn't be able to post anything regarding DT in his socials, and he's been uploading drum videos with official DT tracks (albeit drumless) for a long time.
I know he's not able to monetize those videos, but that's probably due to legal reasons regarding copyright and all that...

evilasiojr

Every time James has spoken about MP's return he seems one of the most excited and supportive of the decision, to my ears at least.

illusionist

Quote from: TheBarstoolWarrior on February 04, 2025, 08:12:34 AMIt's a solid record. Not the musical statement I was hoping for but the singles right sized my expectations so I feel fine about it. 

It does sound like something that could have been written at approximately any point after ToT - with any lineup - but it's more consistent start to finish than the later MP1 albums.

This has been mentioned before so it's not a surprise: it's extremely heavy. Like being beaten with a pillow stuffed with heavy guitar riffs.

Looking forward to getting into specifics once official release date is here.
So,in comparison to Train of Thought.
Which album is heavier, which album is darker, which one is heavier AND darker?
I have heard people say it's like ToT, but is it actually in your,or anyone else's opinion?

nikatapi

Quote from: illusionist on February 05, 2025, 01:24:13 AMSo,in comparison to Train of Thought.
Which album is heavier, which album is darker, which one is heavier AND darker?
I have heard people say it's like ToT, but is it actually in your,or anyone else's opinion?

It is ToT in my opinion. Parasomnia is undoubtedly heavy, but in a more Nightmare-to-remember-kind of way.
ToT has a bit of a more bombastic production and vibe.

wolfking

I don't think DT will ever truly be able to match the heaviness, aggression and atmosphere of TOT ever again.