DREAM THEATER - Europe leg of the 40th Anniversary Tour 2024-2025

[hefdaddy42]

Given that they are celebrating their entire career, I sort of hope Mike Mangoni joins them for any Blu-ray they might film on this tour. At least for a single song.

What are you talking about?

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

What are you talking about?

It's happened with every other ex-band member other than Kevin Moore (IIRC). Though in this case it probably won't happen because it's literally the first tour after the switch back, lol.

[Adami]

It's happened with every other ex-band member other than Kevin Moore (IIRC). Though in this case it probably won't happen because it's literally the first tour after the switch back, lol.

It happened once and not for a band anniversary tour, but for a specific album anniversary show.

Derek and Charlie didn't join them for their 20th anniversary tour.

It also never happened with MP before he rejoined.

[gzarruk]

I want them to reunite with Chris Collins for the 40th anniversary recording.

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

It happened once and not for a band anniversary tour, but for a specific album anniversary show.

Derek and Charlie didn't join them for their 20th anniversary tour.

It also never happened with MP before he rejoined.

Right, I just meant a live performance with an ex-member. It wouldn't surprise me if they played with MM again, but it would surprise me if it happened this tour.

[efx]

Right, I just meant a live performance with an ex-member. It wouldn't surprise me if they played with MM again, but it would surprise me if it happened this tour.

TBH, I can't see why MM would want to do this given the circumstances.

[hefdaddy42]

TBH, I can't see why MM would want to do this given the circumstances.

Me either.  At least, at this point.

[TAC]

Right, years down the road, I would never say never, but it sure as hell ain't happening this tour.

Although, I wouldn't be surprised if he attended the show in Boston to say hi.

[Stadler]

No shot.

Agreed, but even if it was, I don't think I want that distraction anyway.  Too soon.

[cramx3]

Yeah, this tour doesn't feel right to have MM be apart of it.  I get it's a 40th anniversary tour and so in theory, respecting the former band members may seem fitting, but it's just not good timing with MP first tour back.  Having said that, if they do film a show at say the end of the tour, and MM was willing to be apart of it, I think that would be cool.  But it would have to just be a one off thing, not a tour thing.  MM has always come off as a positive guy, I can see him saying yes to that even if maybe he thinks it may be too soon too.

[Ben_Jamin]

Another 40th anniversary idea:

1. In the Presence of Enemies
2. Illumination Theory
3. Octavarium
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4. The Count of Tuscany
5. A View From the Top of the World
6. New Epic
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7. A Change of Seasons

I'd be satisfied! 

  I was actually thinking of this as well. Didn't check to see if it would work. But great to know it would. I would love that set.

[geeeemo]

Another 40th anniversary idea:

1. In the Presence of Enemies
2. Illumination Theory
3. Octavarium
-----------------------------
4. The Count of Tuscany
5. A View From the Top of the World
6. New Epic
-----------------------------
7. A Change of Seasons

I'd be satisfied! 

I was actually thinking of this as well. Didn't check to see if it would work. But great to know it would. I would love that set.

I am all in on this one!

[Mosh]

Imo they won’t reunite with Mangini for the same reason they never brought Portnoy back prior to a full reunion. They spent a lot of the Mangini era pumping it up as the band’s best lineup and the one that they would retire with. Now they are doing the same thing with Portnoy. I feel like bringing back the former drummer just invites comparisons and diverts focus from the core lineup which is what the band (especially under JP’s leadership) wants to avoid. DS and CD coming back was different because the band was still in its formative stages when they were dismissed and they (mostly MP) had been really candid that it wasn’t the right fit for DT. There just isn’t room for comparing DS to Rudess or CD to JLB. Mangini and Portnoy is a different situation and one I don’t think the band will ever broach.

[gzarruk]

I can see them inviting him at some point (if they ever get into the RNRHOF or a farewell tour show, for example), but definitely not anytime soon. Also, we shouldn't assume Mike M would do it anyway. They just sent him home because he wasn't needed anymore, I don't think he's just sitting there waiting for them to invite him to guest at a show; even if they're all on "good terms". I wouldn't do it if I were him, honestly.

[Trav86]

We’ve obviously ran out of things to talk about.

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

I can see them inviting him at some point (if they ever get into the RNRHOF or a farewell tour show, for example), but definitely not anytime soon. Also, we shouldn't assume Mike M would do it anyway. They just sent him home because he wasn't needed anymore, I don't think he's just sitting there waiting for them to invite him to guest at a show; even if they're all on "good terms". I wouldn't do it if I were him, honestly.

It's a cryin' shame that DT hasn't been inducted yet. An absolute tragedy

[TAC]

We’ve obviously ran out of things to talk about.

 

[Stadler]

I can see them inviting him at some point (if they ever get into the RNRHOF or a farewell tour show, for example), but definitely not anytime soon. Also, we shouldn't assume Mike M would do it anyway. They just sent him home because he wasn't needed anymore, I don't think he's just sitting there waiting for them to invite him to guest at a show; even if they're all on "good terms". I wouldn't do it if I were him, honestly.

But - and I say this with the utmost respect - you're not him.  If I was asked, I'd do it in a heartbeat.  It's not about me; I never would have taken the gig without understanding that taking the spot of a founding member of a band like Dream Theater was at best ever going to be a foundation made on sand.  Mangini is not a dumb guy and has spent his life in the music industry; he's friends with guys like Vai, et al., who have veritable revolving doors for bands.  If he didn't know this was a possibility, then maybe he's not as sharp as I give him credit for.

[hefdaddy42]

It's a cryin' shame that DT hasn't been inducted yet. An absolute tragedy

No it isn't.

[efx]

I'm not one of those people who decry the importance of winning a grammy but the RRHoF seems like an absolute joke by most people nowadays. There are simply too many bands that should be there by now that DT's exclusion is hardly worth raising an eyebrow for.

[Stadler]

I'm not one of those people who decry the importance of winning a grammy but the RRHoF seems like an absolute joke by most people nowadays. There are simply too many bands that should be there by now that DT's exclusion is hardly worth raising an eyebrow for.

Yeah; I love DT, but Phil Collins, Iron Maiden and Ronnie Dio are all like "hold my beer."

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

I'm not one of those people who decry the importance of winning a grammy but the RRHoF seems like an absolute joke by most people nowadays. There are simply too many bands that should be there by now that DT's exclusion is hardly worth raising an eyebrow for.

The injustices should be corrected for all bands that have been excluded, including Yes, Phish, Beardfish, and Pain of Salvation

[TAC]

Beardfish and PoS?

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

Beardfish and PoS?

Yeah. If I was President of the Rolling Stone, I would add more prog bands, even the ones I don't like, but do respect, like Pain of Salvation.

Beardfish is just criminally underrated.

[cramx3]

We’ve obviously ran out of things to talk about.

[Stadler]

The injustices should be corrected for all bands that have been excluded, including Yes, Phish, Beardfish, and Pain of Salvation

Yes is in, and those other two bands aren't even in the conversation and shouldn't be, IMO.

[Azyiu]

We’ve obviously ran out of things to talk about.

Not really. I wonder how many bass drums will be featured in MP's kit. 

[hefdaddy42]

The injustices should be corrected for all bands that have been excluded, including Yes, Phish, Beardfish, and Pain of Salvation

Hard to take you seriously, when you champion for two bands that most HOF voters have never heard of, and one band that is already in.

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

Yes was inducted? I missed that haha

What about Rush, Genesis, ELP, King Crimson? If any of those are missing feel free to append them to my point, which I find valid.

[gborland]

The injustices should be corrected for all bands that have been excluded, including Yes, Phish, Beardfish, and Pain of Salvation

Bands have to be famous to get in the hall of fame. (The clue is in the name.)

[Stadler]

Yes was inducted? I missed that haha

What about Rush, Genesis, ELP, King Crimson? If any of those are missing feel free to append them to my point, which I find valid.

Rush and Genesis are in, ELP and King Crimson are not (and fair is fair, I'll give you props for that; Fripp essentially invented progressive rock and ought to be there and is nowhere to be found.)

[MirrorMask]

Bands have to be famous to get in the hall of fame. (The clue is in the name.)

 

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

Rush and Genesis are in, ELP and King Crimson are not (and fair is fair, I'll give you props for that; Fripp essentially invented progressive rock and ought to be there and is nowhere to be found.)

Fripp also contributed to other music as well. He played with Peter Gabriel and David Bowie. Guy should have his own wing in the hall

[Stadler]

Fripp also contributed to other music as well. He played with Peter Gabriel and David Bowie. Guy should have his own wing in the hall

Daryl Hall; you need to check that out (it's called Sacred Songs, and was intended to be the third of a trilogy with Fripp's Exposure and Gabriel's.... I think it was Melt).

[hefdaddy42]

Fripp also contributed to other music as well. He played with Peter Gabriel and David Bowie. Guy should have his own wing in the hall

Not sure you understand how halls of fame work.