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Ray Alder and Jim Matheos’ musical legacy is vast and lauded, both as collaborators and individuals. Alder has been the vocalist and main co-writer for prog metal heroes Fates Warning for the past 35 years. With them he recorded 10 albums between 1988 (No Exit) and 2020 (Long Day Good Night.). Further rounding out his discography are seven albums with Redemption, two solo albums, and the band A-Z with Mark Zonder, which debuted in 2022.

Prolific and pioneering guitarist/producer Matheos is a co-founder of Fates Warning, the lineup debuting with 1984’s Night on Bröcken on Metal Blade. In addition to 13 albums with Fates, Matheos’ myriad other work includes several solo albums, four albums alongside former Dream Theater keyboardist Kevin Moore, under the name OSI, and new band, Kings of Mercia, a lineup that’s been termed “a hybrid; it’s heavy, but not metal.”

On North Sea Echoes’ debut album, Really Good Terrible Things, the duo embarks upon a fresh musical journey, a new chapter of intimate, moody, and evocative songs highlighted by the singles “Open Book,” “Empty,” and “Throwing Stones.” - “Throughout Really Good Terrible Things, Matheos and Alder serve up the kind of seductive melancholy Fates Warning fans will recognize,” says Jeff Wagner, author of the Fates Warning book Destination Onward. “Yet there's a thoroughly different approach here: vocals are delivered with a sort of nostalgic sadness, and the guitar work is layered in such a way as to feel dreamlike. These are rich sonic landscapes, visiting places haunting, beautiful, spectral and secret. The Matheos/Alder partnership is taken to some new and wonderful places here,” Wagner concludes.

Matheos and Alder began talking about working together again as soon as they completed Fates Warning’s Long Day Good Night. “We just didn’t know what, when, where” says Matheos. “I had begun work on another Tuesday the Sky record, which is an ambient, mostly instrumental, pet project of mine. But the first songs I’d come up with felt like they were more set up for vocals. Ray and I had done something similar on Long Days Good Night, a song called ‘When Winter Falls,’ and we both really liked the outcome. So, I asked him if he’d be onto doing a whole record with a similar approach.”

The resultant Really Good Terrible Things was produced by Matheos with cover art from Simon Ward (Kings of Mercia, Marillion). “Open Book” kicks off the record and was also the first song written. Matheos felt that “with Ray’s lyrics about ending and beginnings, it felt like a good mood to start off with.” Alder adds: “The line ‘we’re a cloud behind the moon’ is referring to the fact that we are all basically an impossibility. Yet here we are. And we will go on until we can’t. I’m speaking of inevitability.” 

The ominous sounding “Empty” begins with Matheos’ atmospheric guitar work and features a powerful drum performance by Gunnar Olsen (Puscifer). “Throwing Stones,” also with Olsen on drums, sees the pair tapping their vast influences to create one of the most immediate tracks on the record. Lyrically it’s about something called “Cherophobia,” as Alder explains: “Some people have a fear of happiness. They feel that something painful always follows pleasure. So, they’re sort of locked into this world where they try to feel nothing, and that’s what Cherophobia is, and what inspired the lyrics.” 

One of Matheos’ favorite tracks is “No Maps.” Matheos had a concept for the lyrics, and Alder took it from there: “The track was much, much different than what ended up on the album. On the demo there was the sound of a freight train quietly moving down the tracks throughout the entire song, along with acoustic guitars. Jim said it reminded him of hobos. So, I thought I’d write about a wanderer who is happiest being alone. Kind of romantic to me, in a weird way.”

The songwriting process was as familiar one for the Fates Warning vets: Matheos demos music, then passes it along to Alder. “If he likes the song, he’ll start coming up with lyrics and melodies. After that, the song will tend go through further changes, sometimes minor, sometimes major, as the final form starts to take shape,” explains Matheos.
Really Good Terrible Things shows the breadth and versatility of the acclaimed pair, along with a freshness that belies their long musical partnership. “We both still love making music and we really enjoy working together. There’s a good amount of chemistry there, I think,” Matheos concludes. “We both know what to expect from each other.” 

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Interesting. So a more ambient vocal album? That could be interesting, just thinking of some of the FW tracks that are like that.

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The album comes out on February 23, 2024


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I'm really looking forward to this one. I've been on a FW members solo albums/projects binge.


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Figure this is as close to a new OSI album as I am gonna get, so, yeah, I'm hella excited :metal

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This should be cool. I'm expecting a left-hand turn from Jim and Ray.
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This should be cool. I'm expecting a left-hand turn from Jim and Ray.

And that's exactly what you'll get.

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"Open Book" was exactly what I thought it would be. Interesting move for Ray and Jim.

A Jim/Ray collab is always an automatic buy. I listened. It was cool. It wouldn't be something I would listen to regularly, but here and there as the mood strikes.

I do, however, find the collaboration to be weird. I mean, Jim and Ray write all the FW material. So...isn't this Fates Warning, just the non-metal side of the band?

Excited to see how it does. Hopefully, it achieves what they want it to, and they continue working together. I'm not going to lie though. I miss Fates Warning. I thought Long Day Goodnight was an extension of Theories of Flight, and not as good overall, with some exceptions. Almost how I felt about Inside Out after Parallels...an extension of the latter record, but not quite as good, with some exceptions.

Perhaps Fates just needs to sit for a time, until a new direction that isn't North Sea Echoes, percolates. Personally, I'm really hoping that Jim really decides he wants to do one more grand Fates Warning project that features both John Arch and Ray Alder. Together on some tracks, and separate on others. Something like that, to put a definitive pin in the career of FW. One can dream...
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Re: North Sea Echoes - Really Good Terrible Things (Ray Alder and Jim Matheos)
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2024, 06:04:16 AM »
"Open Book" was exactly what I thought it would be. Interesting move for Ray and Jim.

A Jim/Ray collab is always an automatic buy. I listened. It was cool. It wouldn't be something I would listen to regularly, but here and there as the mood strikes.

I do, however, find the collaboration to be weird. I mean, Jim and Ray write all the FW material. So...isn't this Fates Warning, just the non-metal side of the band?

Excited to see how it does. Hopefully, it achieves what they want it to, and they continue working together. I'm not going to lie though. I miss Fates Warning. I thought Long Day Goodnight was an extension of Theories of Flight, and not as good overall, with some exceptions. Almost how I felt about Inside Out after Parallels...an extension of the latter record, but not quite as good, with some exceptions.

Perhaps Fates just needs to sit for a time, until a new direction that isn't North Sea Echoes, percolates. Personally, I'm really hoping that Jim really decides he wants to do one more grand Fates Warning project that features both John Arch and Ray Alder. Together on some tracks, and separate on others. Something like that, to put a definitive pin in the career of FW. One can dream...

I have a lot of similar thoughts.

First and foremost, I dig the song. That said, based on the press release, I'd hoped for something a bit weirder?

To Samsara's point, this sounds like something that could've easily slid onto FWX. It's a cool, low-key, moody Fates song, minus the moniker. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, but given how the economics of things work, I'm surprised they wouldn't have just called it Fates.

As long as it was marketed correctly (a la Opeth's Damnation release), I think a low-key Fates release would have a far larger audience than a 'new' project.

That all said, I'm incredibly stoked and will definitely be a first day buyer. I have grown to prefer the moodier side of Fates, and the APSOG thru FWX run is, by far, my favorite period of the band. I routinely listen to all three of those albums.

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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2024, 06:14:54 AM »
Also feel the FWX vibe here.  This project came as a complete surprise to me and now I'm absolutely psyched for this release.  I love all things Matheos and I predict this will be no different!   

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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2024, 07:32:48 AM »
That’s the vibe I was expecting as well. I like the song, and I really like Ray’s voice here. Still, it’s almost too minimalistic. Was hoping for a nice solo or more expansive instrumental section and it just kind of went verse chorus verse chorus out.

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Re: North Sea Echoes - Really Good Terrible Things (Ray Alder and Jim Matheos)
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2024, 08:32:24 AM »
Very close to a less rock OSI album with Alder on vocals.

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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2024, 07:06:26 PM »
A few spins through this morning and this is ticking all the boxes.  Love those melodies and Ray sounds his usual fantastic  :hefdaddy

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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2024, 05:31:00 AM »
Liked it and look forward to it.

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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2024, 08:51:41 AM »
NOTE: if you are a HUGE Fates Warning fan and are expecting that sound on this project, it’s not what you gonna get.
I can say that North Sea of Echoes is a version of Tuesday The Sky with voices and the softer/mellow passages of OSI.

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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2024, 09:55:08 AM »
Ray could put out an album that's just him singing the phone book and I'll listen to it at least once.

I liked the song but I hope the rest of the album has a bit more to it.
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« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2024, 06:09:14 PM »
*Slight bump*
Really enjoying this record. Ray Alder is probably one of my favorite vocalists - I’ve enjoyed him on almost everything I’ve heard him on, even if the music itself would not normally be my thing, if that makes sense. A little surprised in a good way to hear full drums (not just percussion) on some of the tracks - for some reason, I was under the impression that this was mostly a pretty stripped back record.

I get that there’s a slim chance of this happening, but if Jim / Ray aren’t feeling a Fates tour, I’d be down for some NSE shows that fill out the set with some of the more mellow Fates and OSI tunes.
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Favourites are the first two singles Open Book and Unmoved, then Flowers In Decay and The Mission for upping things ever so slightly ;)

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I bought the album on CD. Hadn't opened, but pulled it up on Spotify to listen. It's just not my jam. If you're a Fates fan, it's kind of like the song "Lighthouse" from Darkness in a Different Light. Just instead of one track, it's all of them. It's always cool to hear Jim create, and Ray sing. But while I appreciate the talent, and knew going in this would be more serene, and not heavy, it just didn't hit my ears the way I thought it would.

Totally respect Jim for following his muse. Always will. But this particular avenue isn't for me.
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