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Dream Theater Top 100 countdown - 2024 Version!

Started by KevShmev, November 11, 2023, 06:21:58 AM

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Setlist Scotty

Quote from: TAC on November 16, 2023, 08:27:21 AM
Quote from: Wim Kruithof on November 16, 2023, 05:52:43 AM
Quote from: TAC on November 16, 2023, 05:39:19 AM
This Is The Life is one of the best written songs in their catalog. It's practically perfect.
It didn't even made my list (#101).
Well I wasn't really commenting on its likability. Im just saying it is structurally perfect.
You mean like in the same way as Another Day?  :biggrin:
Quote from: BlobVanDam on November 13, 2015, 07:37:14 PMAs a basic rule, if you hate it, you must solely blame Portnoy. If it's good, then you must downplay MP's contribution to the band as not being important anyway, or claim he's just lying. It's the DTF way.
Quote from: TAC on July 10, 2024, 08:26:41 AMPOW is awesome! :P

Dream Team

List sent. I submitted whatever the Ranker spit out because I didn't want to go down the rabbit hole of spending hours massaging the list - that said, there are a couple of ??? results. In particular 1 song I kind of always thought of as top 15 at least ended up 56 so I messed something up  :lol. It was weird during the voting process, sometimes my mind went "this is the better song" and other times it was "this is the song I'd rather listen to". Whatever.

45 Mangini era songs. Oh yeah.

By Album
1989 - 6
1992 - 8
1994 - 5
1997 - 2
1999 - 7
2002 - 5
2003 - 2
2005 - 5
2007 - 4
2009 - 5
2011 - 7
2013 - 7
2016 - 20
2019 - 6
2021 - 5
non album - 6

MirrorMask

Since it was fun to have all the matches laid out for me, I have the temptation to "waste" some bit of fun time to do it again, but this time cutting out all the songs I already know won't make the cut (Raw Dog, the live jams, the Nomac tracks etc...). There were so many matches with those tracks involved that they potentially may have influenced the results. I mean, the top songs have to be the same, no way the presence of a Nomac track in the rankings allowed an album song I don't like to reach the top 30, but maybe getting rid of the "fat" will give me more accurate results.

Stadler

Quote from: Evermind on November 16, 2023, 07:52:44 AM
I haven't done my list yet (not sure I will, but I'd like to as it'll give me incentive to re-listen to all DT albums), but speaking of epics, I'm not sure ACOS will even crack my Top 75. Just getting it out there so I don't get disqualified for rigging the rankings. :)

I'm with you.   I know what it means to the band and the fanbase, but I never quite connected with it.

Dedalus

I used the ranking engine with all 178 songs that Kev selected, and I haven't yet had time to see if this list will be my final list.

Fun fact: If I rule out things like Raw Dog, NOMACs songs, Barfbag, Awake Jam etc, the worst Dream Theater song for me is Burning My Soul (in fact, it is behind some NOMACs songs  :lol).

TAC

Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Zydar on November 09, 2024, 08:20:58 AMTAC are all puns blazing today.

MirrorMask

Quote from: Dedalus on November 16, 2023, 12:43:08 PM
Fun fact: If I rule out things like Raw Dog, NOMACs songs, Barfbag, Awake Jam etc, the worst Dream Theater song for me is Burning My Soul (in fact, it is behind some NOMACs songs  :lol).

I accidentally got a Nomac song at 154  :lol

Leaving aside all the kind of songs you mentioned, my worst sung song is The Ones who Help to Set the Sun. It edged out three instrumentals.

Cool Chris

My list is not final, but looking at the top of my list in progress, each of the top 9 songs is from a different album.
Maybe the grass is greener on the other side because you're not over there fucking it up.

twosuitsluke

Smashed out an initial ranking. Now to listen through the whole thing and make adjustments.

You mother fuckers making me listen to The Astonishing!
Quote from: ariich on November 07, 2023, 12:38:53 PMJust popping in to say Luke, you were right.
Quote from: ariich09/07/2023, 14:25:10
luke: Pokemon – Pokemon Theme That was the best! I like Pokemon and I liked the characters. I think there was all of them. It was cool. [Have you heard that song before?] No! Score: 10 trillion

Mladen


MirrorMask

Quote from: twosuitsluke on November 17, 2023, 06:11:02 AM
You mother fuckers making me listen to The Astonishing!

Poor you, you're forced to listen to a Dream Theater album with an excellent performance from James where the band showcases a more melodic and concise style, their most unique album to date, what a drag it must be.



:D

twosuitsluke

You forgot green text, but it's ok, I am no stranger to sarcasm.

In all fairness there are a few songs I really like, that will make my top 100. It's just a shame there is also some absolute dross. The biggest flaw in the album for me is the amateur story telling, it just kills it all for me.
Quote from: ariich on November 07, 2023, 12:38:53 PMJust popping in to say Luke, you were right.
Quote from: ariich09/07/2023, 14:25:10
luke: Pokemon – Pokemon Theme That was the best! I like Pokemon and I liked the characters. I think there was all of them. It was cool. [Have you heard that song before?] No! Score: 10 trillion

jingle.boy

Quote from: twosuitsluke on November 17, 2023, 07:01:41 AM
You forgot green text, but it's ok, I am no stranger to sarcasm.

In all fairness there are a few songs I really like, that will make my top 100. It's just a shame there is also some absolute dross. The biggest flaw in the album for me is the amateur story telling, it just kills it all for me.

IMO there are two very good songs; 2 pretty good songs, and the rest is tripe.

To each their own, though.  Ranking gets much easier when I can immediately drop 2 albums.
Quote from: Jamesman42 on September 20, 2024, 12:38:03 PM
Quote from: TAC on September 19, 2024, 05:23:01 PMHow is this even possible? Are we playing or what, people??
So I just checked, and, uh, you are one of the two who haven't sent.
Quote from: Puppies_On_Acid on September 20, 2024, 12:46:33 PMTim's roulette police card is hereby revoked!

twosuitsluke

Quote from: jingle.boy on November 17, 2023, 07:07:55 AM
Quote from: twosuitsluke on November 17, 2023, 07:01:41 AM
You forgot green text, but it's ok, I am no stranger to sarcasm.

In all fairness there are a few songs I really like, that will make my top 100. It's just a shame there is also some absolute dross. The biggest flaw in the album for me is the amateur story telling, it just kills it all for me.

IMO there are two very good songs; 2 pretty good songs, and the rest is tripe.

To each their own, though.  Ranking gets much easier when I can immediately drop 2 albums.

Pretty much with you. I might change my mind though when you say what the other album you'd drop is?
Quote from: ariich on November 07, 2023, 12:38:53 PMJust popping in to say Luke, you were right.
Quote from: ariich09/07/2023, 14:25:10
luke: Pokemon – Pokemon Theme That was the best! I like Pokemon and I liked the characters. I think there was all of them. It was cool. [Have you heard that song before?] No! Score: 10 trillion

jingle.boy

Quote from: twosuitsluke on November 17, 2023, 07:15:02 AM
Quote from: jingle.boy on November 17, 2023, 07:07:55 AM
Quote from: twosuitsluke on November 17, 2023, 07:01:41 AM
You forgot green text, but it's ok, I am no stranger to sarcasm.

In all fairness there are a few songs I really like, that will make my top 100. It's just a shame there is also some absolute dross. The biggest flaw in the album for me is the amateur story telling, it just kills it all for me.

IMO there are two very good songs; 2 pretty good songs, and the rest is tripe.

To each their own, though.  Ranking gets much easier when I can immediately drop 2 albums.

Pretty much with you. I might change my mind though when you say what the other album you'd drop is?

A View
Quote from: Jamesman42 on September 20, 2024, 12:38:03 PM
Quote from: TAC on September 19, 2024, 05:23:01 PMHow is this even possible? Are we playing or what, people??
So I just checked, and, uh, you are one of the two who haven't sent.
Quote from: Puppies_On_Acid on September 20, 2024, 12:46:33 PMTim's roulette police card is hereby revoked!

twosuitsluke

Quote from: jingle.boy on November 17, 2023, 07:15:49 AM
Quote from: twosuitsluke on November 17, 2023, 07:15:02 AM
Quote from: jingle.boy on November 17, 2023, 07:07:55 AM
Quote from: twosuitsluke on November 17, 2023, 07:01:41 AM
You forgot green text, but it's ok, I am no stranger to sarcasm.

In all fairness there are a few songs I really like, that will make my top 100. It's just a shame there is also some absolute dross. The biggest flaw in the album for me is the amateur story telling, it just kills it all for me.

IMO there are two very good songs; 2 pretty good songs, and the rest is tripe.

To each their own, though.  Ranking gets much easier when I can immediately drop 2 albums.

Pretty much with you. I might change my mind though when you say what the other album you'd drop is?

A View

Oh really, I didn't think it was that bad. A bit by the numbers but not terrible.
Quote from: ariich on November 07, 2023, 12:38:53 PMJust popping in to say Luke, you were right.
Quote from: ariich09/07/2023, 14:25:10
luke: Pokemon – Pokemon Theme That was the best! I like Pokemon and I liked the characters. I think there was all of them. It was cool. [Have you heard that song before?] No! Score: 10 trillion

Wim Kruithof

#122
Quote from: Dedalus on November 16, 2023, 12:43:08 PM
Fun fact: If I rule out things like Raw Dog, NOMACs songs, Barfbag, Awake Jam etc, the worst Dream Theater song for me is Burning My Soul (in fact, it is behind some NOMACs songs  :lol).

I'm with you there. If I had to throw a handful of their songs in the ocean, Burning My Soul surely would be a part of it, as is Lost Not Forgotten...
'Your light shines on my soul, while a thousand candles burn'. - Endless Sacrifice

hefdaddy42

Quote from: TAC on November 16, 2023, 01:12:11 PM
Raw Dog gets a raw deal.
I mean, just because you like a song that most people don't doesn't mean that the song gets a raw deal.

I like the movies Hudson Hawk and Oscar, but their reputations are abysmal.  The overwhelming number of critics and people who saw them disliked them.  I don't for a second think they get a raw deal.  I just like 2 movies that most people don't.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on December 11, 2014, 08:19:46 PMHef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

Dedalus

Considering the passing of Charlie Dominici, I checked it off my list. Of the 8 songs on WDADU, 7 are in the top 100.

I always liked this album.  :)

Wim Kruithof

#125
Quote from: Dream Team on November 16, 2023, 10:58:04 AM
By Album

2016 - 20

You must be Arhys himself...

Became curious about my list since your post,

When Dream and Day Unite: 6
Images and Words: 8 - all
Awake: 11 - all
Falling Into Infinity: 6
Metroplis pt. II: 8
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence: 6 - all
Train of Thought: 6
Octavarium: 7
Systematic Chaos: 6
Black Clouds and Silver Linings: 6 - all
A Dramatic Turn of Events: 5
Dream Theater: 6
The Astonishing: 2
Distance Over Time: 6
A View from the Top of the World: 7 - all

non-studioalbum related: 4

From five albums they all made the list, Images and Words, Awake, Six Dregrees of Inner Turbulence, Black Clouds and Silver Linings (that surprised me a lot) and A View from the Top of the World...

Interesting.
'Your light shines on my soul, while a thousand candles burn'. - Endless Sacrifice

pg1067

Quote from: Setlist Scotty on November 13, 2023, 03:21:25 PM
Quote from: pg1067 on November 13, 2023, 03:13:31 PM
As soon as I hit enter, I knocked out two more songs:  a short intro track and a song that I have long regarded as DT's worst album track.  So I'm now down to 129 (which includes two of the songs on Scotty's list of YouTube links, although I'm skeptical that either will make the top 100.
Gee, I wonder which one...   :lol

Don't worry, it's in my top 5 to offset it missing from yours!  :biggrin:

Except I don't think you're thinking of the same song I'm talking about.

Feelin' kinda spooky.

Dream Team

Regarding me having 20 from TA, yes it looks weird BUT - every song has a good melody and vocal and is therefore way less offensive than some of the dreck from FII or SC etc. It's also possible I miscounted because I've checked again and only see 18 which is barely half the album but yes still a lot.

Dittomist

It looks like this will be the album breakdown for my list.

Images and Words: 8
Awake: 10
Falling Into Infinity: 8
Metropolis Part II: 9
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence: 5
Train of Thought: 6
Octavarium: 7
Systematic Chaos: 6
Black Clouds and Silver Linings: 6
A Dramatic Turn of Events: 7
Dream Theater: 7
The Astonishing: 11
Distance Over Time: 7
View from the Top of the World: 1
Other: 2

I think what surprised me most was including 7 songs from Distance Over Time, an album I've never been that crazy about, with one of them even appearing in the Top 20. Having a whopping 11 from The Astonishing wasn't a surprise, but ranking those songs proved to be really difficult. Very much looking forward to this countdown!

Dream Team

For a band with 15 albums plus an EP and a B-Sides album, they really don't have as many official recordings as you would think because a good number of their albums were 6 - 8 songs. So a Top 100 list pretty much means all their songs when you don't include the Majesty demos, Nomac tracks, etc. Probably some of us had songs we don't even like THAT much in the top 100.

twosuitsluke

Ranking these songs is fun. I haven't listened through all of the bands' songs in years. I'm actually having more of an appreciation for songs off Falling into Infinity and A Dramatic Turn of Events, which are two albums that never really gelled with me. Bring predominantly an album listener I don't think I ever rated the songs individually, on their own merits.
Quote from: ariich on November 07, 2023, 12:38:53 PMJust popping in to say Luke, you were right.
Quote from: ariich09/07/2023, 14:25:10
luke: Pokemon – Pokemon Theme That was the best! I like Pokemon and I liked the characters. I think there was all of them. It was cool. [Have you heard that song before?] No! Score: 10 trillion

Cool Chris

Quote from: Dream Team on November 21, 2023, 07:52:30 AM
For a band with 15 albums plus an EP and a B-Sides album, they really don't have as many official recordings as you would think because a good number of their albums were 6 - 8 songs. So a Top 100 list pretty much means all their songs when you don't include the Majesty demos, Nomac tracks, etc. Probably some of us had songs we don't even like THAT much in the top 100.

I remember this from the last DT Top 100. I only sort 100 songs, not the entire list, so I whittle it down to 100, and I definitely wondered about some of those songs in the 90s, like I didn't really want to put them through the Ranker, but I knew I had to in order to complete a list of 100.
Maybe the grass is greener on the other side because you're not over there fucking it up.

Revenge319

First three albums are ranked. One song will most likely enter my Top 5 for the first time, Top 3 if it's really lucky.

wolfking

Quote from: TAC on November 16, 2023, 05:39:19 AM
This Is The Life is one of the best written songs in their catalog. It's practically perfect.

Probably doesn't make my 100.

wolfking

Quote from: jingle.boy on November 17, 2023, 07:15:49 AM
Quote from: twosuitsluke on November 17, 2023, 07:15:02 AM
Quote from: jingle.boy on November 17, 2023, 07:07:55 AM
Quote from: twosuitsluke on November 17, 2023, 07:01:41 AM
You forgot green text, but it's ok, I am no stranger to sarcasm.

In all fairness there are a few songs I really like, that will make my top 100. It's just a shame there is also some absolute dross. The biggest flaw in the album for me is the amateur story telling, it just kills it all for me.

IMO there are two very good songs; 2 pretty good songs, and the rest is tripe.

To each their own, though.  Ranking gets much easier when I can immediately drop 2 albums.

Pretty much with you. I might change my mind though when you say what the other album you'd drop is?

A View

Nice.  TA will not be represented in my list.  Same may be said about View.  Although the title track I'm warming to.  It may sneak in........maybe.

Stadler

Quote from: wolfking on November 25, 2023, 03:10:38 AM
Quote from: TAC on November 16, 2023, 05:39:19 AM
This Is The Life is one of the best written songs in their catalog. It's practically perfect.

Probably doesn't make my 100.

You need to... I don't know what, but you need to do it.  ;) :) :) :) :) :)

wolfking

Quote from: Stadler on November 25, 2023, 09:07:15 AM
Quote from: wolfking on November 25, 2023, 03:10:38 AM
Quote from: TAC on November 16, 2023, 05:39:19 AM
This Is The Life is one of the best written songs in their catalog. It's practically perfect.

Probably doesn't make my 100.

You need to... I don't know what, but you need to do it.  ;) :) :) :) :) :)

Hmmmm......cryptic but thanks Bill.

Jamesman42

\o\ lol /o/


Ben_Jamin

Mine have changed, but I also tried the ranker and my original rankings don't even come close....