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Now that MP is back would you like any further DT records to contain an instrumental cuts bonus disc

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DT Studio Albums + Instrumental Versions
« on: November 07, 2023, 11:44:45 AM »
Something I've been curious about y'alls opinion about


I personally don't like when bands do instrumental bonus tracks (i feel like it is a bit disrespectful to the singer and the band's overall vision... why aren't there versions that remove only Drums, or only Guitar, for example?) but curious what everyone else thinks
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Re: DT Studio Albums + Instrumental Versions
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2023, 11:46:03 AM »
No. Never cared for these versions at all and don't really get why they exist both from a band perspective or the fan perspective.

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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2023, 11:49:34 AM »
Yes, and also, the acapella version.
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Re: DT Studio Albums + Instrumental Versions
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2023, 12:30:09 PM »
I don't know if there could be a return to the practice of doing this.  It wasn't really a practice.  Didn't they only do it for a couple of albums?
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Re: DT Studio Albums + Instrumental Versions
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2023, 12:31:15 PM »
Jeez Laweez is everyone on DTF a lawyer :lol

s/practice/occasional happenstance :)
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Re: DT Studio Albums + Instrumental Versions
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2023, 12:33:32 PM »
I don't feel the instrumental versions add much at all but as a producer/musician I really liked the stems of BCSL as that allowed me to analyze the sounds and tones of each instrument separately. And they were good for anyone wanting to make covers where they then could just mute whatever instrument they didn't want to hear. I thought it was cool they also did that for OTBOA but I wish it was more of a standard practice for them going forward.

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Re: DT Studio Albums + Instrumental Versions
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2023, 12:36:50 PM »
yeah stems are one thing for sure. you can make remixes, etc. as well with those. but i agree that there isn't much value in just cutting out only JLB ( though the Dreamsonic tour thread here made it seem like maybe many people would prefer instrumentals :lol )
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Re: DT Studio Albums + Instrumental Versions
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2023, 12:45:31 PM »
Jeez Laweez is everyone on DTF a lawyer :lol

s/practice/occasional happenstance :)
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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2023, 12:47:27 PM »
I voted yes, but with the caveat that they be something more than just without the vocals and possible guitar solos. I would like to see them be different, like maybe different arrangements, additional solos where there were vocals originally, etc. Kinda like what Fates Warning did with At Fates Fingers (vs. the original At Fates Hands). IIRC, Flying Colors did that for some tracks on their third album, too.
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Re: DT Studio Albums + Instrumental Versions
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2023, 12:47:57 PM »
Jeez Laweez is everyone on DTF a lawyer :lol

s/practice/occasional happenstance :)
Hey, you fucking asked.

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it would have been perhaps better worded as "Now that MP is back would you like any further DT records to contain an instrumental cuts bonus disc"

EDIT: looks like i am able to edit the poll, fixed :D
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Re: DT Studio Albums + Instrumental Versions
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2023, 12:57:33 PM »
The only album I'm aware of with an instrumental disc is BC&SL.  While I bought the edition that has that disc (because I wanted the disc of cover songs), I don't think I've ever listened to it (although I did listen to the Wither instrumental on YouTube).  I have virtually zero interest.


Yes, and also, the acapella version.

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Re: DT Studio Albums + Instrumental Versions
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2023, 12:58:18 PM »
Being able to focus on the music sans singing/lyrics is a nice complimentary way to listen to the music. If its a bonus, I have no issue with them.
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Re: DT Studio Albums + Instrumental Versions
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2023, 01:08:39 PM »
The only album I'm aware of with an instrumental disc is BC&SL.  While I bought the edition that has that disc (because I wanted the disc of cover songs), I don't think I've ever listened to it (although I did listen to the Wither instrumental on YouTube).  I have virtually zero interest.

A Dramatic Turn of Events had an instrumental disc, too.
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Re: DT Studio Albums + Instrumental Versions
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2023, 01:26:03 PM »
They've had instrumental discs for quite a few of their albums now.

Black Clouds & Silver Linings (3CD and Box Set)
A Dramatic Turn of Events (Box Set)
Distance Over Time (Box Set)
A View From the Top of the World (Art Book and Box Set)

They've also had stems released for all of Black Clouds & Silver Linings, Behind the Veil, and Untethered Angel in their respective box sets, and there was an instrumental version of The Enemy Inside on the Japanese version of DT12.


I would probably vote "no" here. I enjoy them very rarely, but I'd rather something else in the way of bonuses. Covers, live stuff, extra bonus songs are all way more exciting than instrumental versions.
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« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2023, 01:52:06 PM »
They've also had stems released for all of Black Clouds & Silver Linings, Behind the Veil, and Untethered Angel in their respective box sets, and there was an instrumental version of The Enemy Inside on the Japanese version of DT12.
Jammit also released stems for all of IaW, Awake, FII, SFaM and 8v which you can find on YT and elsewhere.
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Re: DT Studio Albums + Instrumental Versions
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2023, 02:14:47 PM »
:lol at acapella versions. Imagine every DT song in the vein of Peter Gabriel's "Excuse Me"
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Re: DT Studio Albums + Instrumental Versions
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2023, 03:02:34 AM »
Something I never listen to.
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« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2023, 03:08:58 AM »
I don't think I've ever taken the time to listen to any instrumental versions.  Never cared for them, don't understand the need for them.
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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2023, 05:54:55 AM »
I don't think I've ever taken the time to listen to any instrumental versions.  Never cared for them, don't understand the need for them.
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« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2023, 06:17:30 AM »
I’d prefer stems, so my friends and I could better learn the songs.
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« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2023, 06:18:34 AM »
Unless they're either an acoustic or EDM remix then count me out.
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« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2023, 08:26:23 AM »
Nah, the instrumentals aren't my thing. The stems are great fun, though.

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Re: DT Studio Albums + Instrumental Versions
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2023, 08:27:32 AM »
I don't want any of this stuff.  I mean, if they include it, whatever, but I don't care about instrumental versions of lyrical songs, nor do I care about stems.

If there is bonus audio content, my preference would be for extra songs, or an interview, or something additional.
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« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2023, 10:23:23 AM »
I have no interest in instrumental versions, but I can see why bands do them: They require very little work or expense to provide a whole album's worth of "extras" to a box set. 

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« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2023, 10:40:06 AM »
No real preference.  Where I have instrumental versions of songs, they rarely get listened to more than once or twice.  But that one or two listens, it's cool to hear nuances in the instrumentation that I wouldn't otherwise notice.  And they can be fun to sing over if I want to record vocals.  But other than that, they aren't something I listen to.  But I have never seen their inclusion as a slight to the vocalist.  That's just a strange mindset.
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« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2023, 11:06:59 AM »
In an ideal world, stems but appreciate anything that makes the backing tracks easier to study and analyse in obsessive detail!

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« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2023, 05:05:52 PM »
A little surprised to be in the minority on this one, but I love getting the instrumental mixes alongside the regular version. I might only listen to the instrumental version 2 or 3 times, but sometimes there's some really cool stuff going on under the vocals that you can't really make out in the normal release. Just helps me understand what's going on with the music a little better.

Virus by Haken is an album I don't really love, but a couple listens to the instrumental version greatly improved my appreciation of it.

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« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2023, 06:56:52 PM »
A little surprised to be in the minority on this one, but I love getting the instrumental mixes alongside the regular version. I might only listen to the instrumental version 2 or 3 times, but sometimes there's some really cool stuff going on under the vocals that you can't really make out in the normal release. Just helps me understand what's going on with the music a little better.

This exactly. Yeah, they won't get listened to as often at all, but they are a cool listen every once in a while.

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« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2023, 07:08:57 PM »
The only song I have ever appreciated the instrumental version of, and listen to quite a lot, is The Beach Boys' Sloop John B. It's a Mt Rushmore level song for me, and I thoroughly enjoy both the instrumental version and the vocals only version. I wouldn't have thought I needed those in my life, but when I heard them, I absolutely did. Maybe the same could be said for other songs, but I can't say I've ever consciously wanted an instrumental version of any other song.
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Re: DT Studio Albums + Instrumental Versions
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2023, 03:31:19 AM »
Apple music had this karaoke function for a while now (Spotify too, probably), where you can adjust the level of the vocals and even remove them completely. I'm not sure what the tech is, but it works for a whole bunch of albums, old & new. Just checked a few DT albums (the last three, I&W and Awake) and it works for all of them. So releasing instrumental versions seems to be moot, we'll get them anyway.


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« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2023, 10:07:04 AM »
I don't think I've ever taken the time to listen to any instrumental versions.  Never cared for them, don't understand the need for them.

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« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2023, 10:15:25 AM »
I don't think I've ever taken the time to listen to any instrumental versions.  Never cared for them, don't understand the need for them.

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« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2023, 02:40:04 PM »
While interesting I do have to say I rarely listen to instrumental only versions. For me, vocals are another instrument and removing them removes from the experience.

What I'd LOVE for DT to do is include mastered jam sessions. To this day I wish Take This For The Pain was on Spotify. I listen to this jam way more than I like to admit. LTE did it and those songs were fire too.