Echo, the MCU show, first trailer out....

[jammindude]

Well, they were taking on the actors because they were immensely popular. But they were initially saying that the stories from Netflix were not canon. This new announcement would appear to reverse that stance.

Probably has to do with the fact that D+ acquired the rights from Netflix. And I think the actors were under a no competition clause which has since expired. But don’t quote me on that one.

[lonestar]

Cool new poster for this show...

[Orbert]

Nice!

[jammindude]

I just saw a Facebook ad for this show.

“Kingpin Returns” is a direct quote. So ya, it kinda feels like Echo is a secondary character on her own show.

[Adami]

So I think some of this might be overthought in this thread.

Best I can remember from various statements made by officials  is that the actual Netflix shows themselves are not canon in Earth 616, but alternate earths, much like the Tobey and Andrew Spider-Man films.

However, 616 also has Kingpin and Murdoch (and likely others) who will be played by the same actors. While some will not. Like Kingpin's wife is already a different actress.

As far as these last few trailers, again, a bit overthought. Why is Kingpin mentioned a lot more than Maya? Well likely because 1) Everyone knows and loves Kingpin and he seems like he'll be a major character and unless you watched Hawkeye, you don't know Maya, so focusing on this is a better means of marketing and 2) because Maya does not speak verbally, and much of this stuff is voice over. So you obviously can't have her do any of that. Again, it's just marketing.

As to why the newest trailer has so much from the Netflix shows, I dunno. Could be 1) that 616 had a similar history but not identical to the Netflix shows and those are the same in both universes or 2) they just also wanted to advertise the arrival of the Netflix shows on Disney + and didn't really care about canon.

[bosk1]

Why is Kingpin mentioned a lot more than Maya? Well likely because 1) Everyone knows and loves Kingpin and he seems like he'll be a major character and unless you watched Hawkeye, you don't know Maya, so focusing on this is a better means of marketing and 2) because Maya does not speak verbally, and much of this stuff is voice over. So you obviously can't have her do any of that. Again, it's just marketing.

Pretty much what I said above.  So it's a bit comforting to have really smart people agree with me. 

[hefdaddy42]

I guess.  I kinda thought that when Matt Murdoch showed up in Spider-man, and Kingpin was in the Hawkeye TV show, that that made it official.  But maybe not "officially official canon".  Who knows?

They had *initially* stated point blank that this was going to be its own thing separate from Netflix, but they appear to be waffling on that stance.

Honestly, I think the biggest reason for that is that few people at Marvel had actually seen the damn shows.

[bosk1]

[hefdaddy42]

I hope my power doesn't go out so I can actually see it tonight lol

[The Letter M]

I hope my power doesn't go out so I can actually see it tonight lol

Same! We've got a bit storm coming through my area this evening, so hopefully things will be okay enough that I can start it tonight!

-Marc.

[Lonk]

I'll try to catch the first episode tonight. It might be really hard not to binge watch lol

[jammindude]

I hope my power doesn't go out so I can actually see it tonight lol

Same! We've got a bit storm coming through my area this evening, so hopefully things will be okay enough that I can start it tonight!

-Marc.

Are you guys in Florida? I’m down here visiting family.

[axeman90210]

I hope my power doesn't go out so I can actually see it tonight lol

Same! We've got a bit storm coming through my area this evening, so hopefully things will be okay enough that I can start it tonight!

-Marc.

Are you guys in Florida? I’m down here visiting family.

Where in FL?

[lonestar]

Was all excited to watch it when I got home tonight to realize it didn't drop till 6pm.

[jammindude]

I hope my power doesn't go out so I can actually see it tonight lol

Same! We've got a bit storm coming through my area this evening, so hopefully things will be okay enough that I can start it tonight!

-Marc.

Are you guys in Florida? I’m down here visiting family.

Where in FL?

Daytona Beach

[lonestar]

Let's goooooooo!!!!!

[lonestar]

Really digging it so far.

[The Letter M]

Well that has to be a Top 5 Disney+ Marvel series. The action was intense and well done, with some smart choices in the audio mix to reflect Maya. The way the show turned its title to give new meaning was ingenious, and I loved the strength of Maya's familial connections. The show is just oozing with history and world-building that is respectful and insightful, much like how Ms. Marvel had with her culture in that show.

Of course, Kingpin plays a large part of the show, and he's as impressive as ever. Every scene with him and Maya had me on edge wondering how things will unfold between them. This has me even MORE excited for Daredevil: Born Again. Marvel Studios would miss out if they don't keep D'Onofrio around for a long time.

As for how the series ends, I won't spoil anything but I hope we get to see more of these characters in some way. Also there IS a credits scene that has some intriguing set-up that has me very excited for what it might mean in the future!

-Marc.

[lonestar]

Yeah, that was quite outstanding on all fronts. I'll have to watch it again on the upcoming long weekend, but I really, really enjoyed it.

[ProfessorPeart]

Just watched the whole thing tonight and can confirm, it was excellent. Loved all the history and love letter to the Choctaw people. The Echo logic was also well done.

As for the post credits scene, I feel that is leading into Daredevil.

[lonestar]

As for the post credits scene, I feel that is leading into Daredevil.

Absolutely.

[hefdaddy42]

We've only had time for the first 2 episodes thus far, but very satisfied.

That intro to episode 1 was metal AF

[Grappler]

I really enjoyed the five episodes.  I've missed the dark, gritty tone of the Netflix shows.  Loved the cultural tie-ins with the native american tribe and Maya's ancestry. 

[Indiscipline]

Top notch technical aspects (cinematography, great fighting scenes editing, costumes and music) and really interesting and lovely cultural exploration. Those aspects I definitely love. Alas, there's no focking rhyme or reason to the plot. This could have been a pretty great 100 minutes movie with compelling characters and original points of view, but it had to become a 5 episodes exercise in artificial exstension of conflict milking.

I am very sorry, because I was raised by Marvel comics and I want to love these products but I find it harder and harder to delude myself. 

[The Realm]

Watched the first episode. What was that? I don't get it? It was just rehashed and cobbled together fodder - bits of Hawkeye, Kingpin gets shot - again (ie we see it happen again), Daredevil pops in etc. Was any of this necessary? Felt like a waste of an episode and there are only 5. These Marvel shows feel so obligated to do this 'heavy lifting' to build an audience that actual storytelling and character development is out the window. I'm out, just too many other good things to watch.

[Lonk]

Saw the first two episodes. Enjoyable.

[DoctorAction]

Watched 4 eps on Fri and last one today. Quite enjoyed it. Alaqua has good hero charisma.

[King Postwhore]

Saw the first two episodes. Enjoyable.

Me too. It's a great storyline.

[bosk1]

I got delayed earlier in the week by some other obligations, so I just finally watched the first episode last night.  REALLY great storytelling and character development.  I'm really enjoying this.  This feels like what the MCU did so well during most of the first three phases where they did a fantastic job of taking obscure, lesser known characters and building them up into something really really cool.

[Adami]

Yea. Finally caught the first episode. 


Really dug it a lot. Hoping it stays as good.

[lonestar]

Yea. Finally caught the first episode. 


Really dug it a lot. Hoping it stays as good.

I actually felt it only got stronger once the series left the character development/backstory part and dug it's teeth into the actual story. And the action sequences are top notch.

[Adami]

I hope they don’t actually drop character development. That’s mostly what I’m here for.

[hefdaddy42]

Watched the first episode. What was that? I don't get it? It was just rehashed and cobbled together fodder - bits of Hawkeye, Kingpin gets shot - again (ie we see it happen again), Daredevil pops in etc. Was any of this necessary? Felt like a waste of an episode and there are only 5. These Marvel shows feel so obligated to do this 'heavy lifting' to build an audience that actual storytelling and character development is out the window. I'm out, just too many other good things to watch.

[Adami]

Second episode was also great.



Interesting that they’re giving her….gifts….or something. Curious how they explain that one.

[jammindude]

Second episode was also great.



Interesting that they’re giving her….gifts….or something. Curious how they explain that one.

I’m only 2 episodes in and I thought it was obvious. Her ancestors are “watching over her” (I hate that crap…but it’s a minor gripe)