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Quote from: BlobVanDam on November 13, 2015, 07:37:14 PMAs a basic rule, if you hate it, you must solely blame Portnoy. If it's good, then you must downplay MP's contribution to the band as not being important anyway, or claim he's just lying. It's the DTF way.
Quote from: TAC on July 10, 2024, 08:26:41 AMPOW is awesome! :P

brakkum

Quote from: TheHoveringSojourn808 on October 09, 2024, 04:08:33 PMCan someone link the MP eye opening video? I missed it earlier and don't see it on a previous page

 :-[

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KevShmev

Quote from: gborland on October 09, 2024, 03:18:59 PMI'm looking forward to hearing drums that sound like drums and not plastic buckets

This made me LOL for real.  I was a fan of every album they did with Mangini, and it wasn't his fault, but his drum sound left a lot to be desired on the majority of them.  Portnoy's drums always sound great on record.

Quote from: TheBarstoolWarrior on October 09, 2024, 03:16:30 PMHave to say, though I'm very excited by the new music we'll receive, one thing I'm really struggling with as a fan is the prospect of the drums reverting back to a non-technical style defined by signature licks and relatively straight forward parts. I felt the band had really outgrown that style over a decade ago and to hear it go backwards is tough. I have to accept it - I'm certainly not jumping off the bandwagon because of this - but it's going to be weird to put on the headphones and most likely hear the same approach we heard seemingly ages ago.

Non-technical style?  That doesn't even make sense to me.  I get it, Portnoy isn't the technical marvel that Mangini is, but on the technical scale, I have to think he's still in the top 10 percentile of all current professional rock/metal drummers.  And his playing has a lot of personality to it, which is more than I can say for certain others technically proficient drummers who shall remain nameless.

TheBarstoolWarrior

Quote from: KevShmev on October 09, 2024, 06:02:52 PMThis made me LOL for real.  I was a fan of every album they did with Mangini, and it wasn't his fault, but his drum sound left a lot to be desired on the majority of them.  Portnoy's drums always sound great on record.

Non-technical style?  That doesn't even make sense to me.  I get it, Portnoy isn't the technical marvel that Mangini is, but on the technical scale, I have to think he's still in the top 10 percentile of all current professional rock/metal drummers.  And his playing has a lot of personality to it, which is more than I can say for certain others technically proficient drummers who shall remain nameless.



He's not technical even by his own admission. Doesn't mean it's not good but it's a different tier of ability when you compare him to the guys they auditioned or just regular touring musicians who have more technical ability. It's like comparing Petrucci to a Lifeson. They're both great but there's a big difference.

 Even if you take the complex songs from his era like DOE, the parts themselves are fairly simple if you have the time signatures down.
Disclaimer: All opinions stated are my own unless otherwise specified. I do not personally know any present or former members of DT. From time to time where the context is or should be obvious, I may decline to explicitly label my words as opinion. I cannot predict the future.

brakkum

Quote from: TheBarstoolWarrior on October 09, 2024, 06:18:10 PMHe's not technical even by his own admission.

I don't think "not technical" means what you think it means

TheBarstoolWarrior

Quote from: brakkum on October 09, 2024, 07:00:02 PMI don't think "not technical" means what you think it means
I think I know exactly what it means and so does Mike.
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Sir Walrus Cauliflower

This is semantic and stupid. He's technical, not as technical as some. He has more technicality than chops. Drummers know the difference. He doesn't have the limb independence, but he's plenty technical. Mike is often self depreciating, that's no excuse to say he's not technical. He's not AS technical.

Obviously we're just getting antsy for the update now. Do we have to have a Mike vs. Mike debate at this exact moment?
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TheBarstoolWarrior

Quote from: Sir Walrus Cauliflower on October 09, 2024, 07:08:50 PMThis is semantic and stupid. He's technical, not as technical as some. He has more technicality than chops. Drummers know the difference. He doesn't have the limb independence, but he's plenty technical. Mike is often self depreciating, that's no excuse to say he's not technical. He's not AS technical.

Obviously we're just getting antsy for the update now. Do we have to have a Mike vs. Mike debate at this exact moment?

It's best left to another thread which I'm happy to engage in and also try to have a constructive conversation about.

I've spent plenty of time with drummers and no one I know who is deep into the instrument thinks he's a technical player even though they have a ton of respect for him and think he's a great player. And again, he would be the first to admit this as he has in the past. I'll just leave it at that on this particular thread.
Disclaimer: All opinions stated are my own unless otherwise specified. I do not personally know any present or former members of DT. From time to time where the context is or should be obvious, I may decline to explicitly label my words as opinion. I cannot predict the future.

macneil

Quote from: illusionist on October 09, 2024, 11:10:04 AMGuys guys, today we can make all the assumptions, speculations, wishes we want for DT16.
But in one day, at most, we will know what it is that we are waiting for.
Either it's a concept album or not, a double (?) album or not, we will most probably know.
Enjoy this day that everything is still possible (at least in our minds) about the direction of the new album.
We won't have this chance again for 2-3 more years, to be able to let our fantasy run wild about a new DT album.

This is very true, it's kind of surreal with how long the build up has been that we're finally near the point of it all being revealed! I haven't been anticipating and speculating on a new album release by any band as much in quite some time. Same with the 40th anniversary tour, which is only around the corner.

I'm sure they still have at least a couple more in them after this one (if not more), but it's still worth appreciating that we're getting new music from these guys, and at the start of a new era with MP back in the band.

Sir Walrus Cauliflower

Fair enough. It's not like I don't see where you're coming from, it's just so context dependent. Technical for a rock drummer? Yeah. Technical for a metal drummer when they first came on the scene? Yeah. Technical in the prog-metal sphere in 2024? Not very. Jazz? No.

I've spent the last 14 years saying the stuff you're saying to annoying MP fanboys in YouTube comments  :lol  At the end of the day, there's more than one way to be technical, and he's in Dream Theater. I think those drummers you're talking about would probably agree that he is on some dimensions and not on others if pressed for a definition. Maybe they wouldn't - you know them better than me, hah.

Not trying to keep railing about it - I take your point, but in the context of DT reverting to a "non-technical style", idk about that. That's a different claim.

Anyways - my balls are officially bluer than his beard. I wonder if the next teaser comes tomorrow morning or maybe at midnight. I know the boys are flying to London soon. I'm sure these posts are scheduled but does anyone know if you have to be connected to internet for scheduled posts to send like you do in Outlook? I'm officially brainstorming about this now
 :justjen  :huh:
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Bertie_Wooster

why are we still having a drummer comparison? Talk about the upcoming album.

Sir Walrus Cauliflower

Quote from: Bertie_Wooster on October 09, 2024, 08:27:26 PMwhy are we still having a drummer comparison? Talk about the upcoming album.

Like in my last paragraph?

I'm anxious for this next teaser. Starting to think it will come tomorrow, maybe 12 central?

Quote from: macneil on October 09, 2024, 08:12:50 PMThis is very true, it's kind of surreal with how long the build up has been that we're finally near the point of it all being revealed! I haven't been anticipating and speculating on a new album release by any band as much in quite some time. Same with the 40th anniversary tour, which is only around the corner.

I'm sure they still have at least a couple more in them after this one (if not more), but it's still worth appreciating that we're getting new music from these guys, and at the start of a new era with MP back in the band.

I've been thinking about this a lot. Every time they tour I think, "I better catch this, you never know...". I'm sure they'll announce a retirement tour when it's that time, but something could always happen that sidelines a member. I can't wait to see the original lineup. I became a fan in 2011 and I'm absolutely elated to be sitting here with you all talking about the new DT single with MP behind the kit again.

This rollout has been fun. I love speculating with you all. I love how ate up we are. I love this forum. Maybe I'm getting sappy because I'm getting sleepy too but like Macneil said, this may only happen one, two, three more times.
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macneil

Quote from: Sir Walrus Cauliflower on October 09, 2024, 08:40:58 PMI've been thinking about this a lot. Every time they tour I think, "I better catch this, you never know...". I'm sure they'll announce a retirement tour when it's that time, but something could always happen that sidelines a member. I can't wait to see the original lineup. I became a fan in 2011 and I'm absolutely elated to be sitting here with you all talking about the new DT single with MP behind the kit again.

Sounds like we became fans around the same time! I first heard them not long before MP left originally so this will be my first new album release experience of an album with MP.

Really keen to hear what they've come up with. I really don't know whether to expect a darker/heavy sound like later-MP era, more of a classic sound, the View sound spun off with Portnoy's influence, or something else entirely. It's exciting whichever direction they go.



CraftyCaleb2483

Quote from: twosuitsluke on October 14, 2024, 02:27:06 PMCaleb also has way better taste
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Quote from: CraftyCaleb2483 on November 24, 2024, 11:04:36 AM??: King Crimson – 21st Century Schizoid Man
Betting on: Vocals too harsh, too heavy, not proggy enough

Pettor

When DT made their first new album without MP they did something stable and safe (not in a bad way) with ADTOE. It was something people at the time requested and I think it fit the strengths of the band overall. It sounds like something JP would make without having MP injecting his inspirations into the process.

Metropolis 3 I think is too bold and risky at this time. MP already talked about finding the balance for how much he can change and inject his ideas into the process now. M3 would be such a risky high stakes start of the reunion of the band I just don't think it's going to happen. It would require MP to be comfortable with injecting a lot of ideas into the process. PR and hype train for M3 would be off the rails but they already have that with MP joining the band and 40th anniversary tour coming. I just don't think it's realistic to think the first album after reunion is the one where you go for something like M3.

I can ofc be very wrong  ;D

illusionist

At this point, or at the point of them writing to be more precise, everything and anything is/was possible.
Sure, Metropolis pt3 would be very very risky just to touch upon, let alone to continue the concept of what is considered to be by a lot of fans, me included, their best album ever.
But then again, guess what?
It's Dream Theater we're talking about.
They are so talented, dedicated, hard workers, inspired, experienced and ambitious musicians that in my mind there is not a single doubt that they will be able to pull it off IF they decided to take that route.
Plus, the momentum now in the DT camp is huge, MP is back, they are about to start their 40 anniversary tour, their shows are selling out quickly (unlike previous tours with MM), they released the SFaM book by Orullian, they are about to release their 7 first albums box set, everything is ideal for them to write and release whatever they want, and still be a huge success.
Now it's the time to ride the wave of excitement, both for the fans and their own.
Lastly, it's not only my opinion, it's something we all agree upon, they DO want to give us a statement album, saying WE ARE DT AND WE STILL GOT IT. DON'T BELIEVE US? JUST LISTEN to this.
So so so pumped and excited for their new music, my intuition says it's going to blow our minds, and emotions.
What an amazing time to be a Dream Theater fan!
I love it!

durga2112

Quote from: Sir Walrus Cauliflower on October 09, 2024, 08:40:58 PMI can't wait to see the original lineup.

I get what you mean here, but I can't help but think that there are quite a few people who would like a word with you.  ;)

TAC

Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Stadler on February 08, 2025, 12:49:43 PMI wouldn't argue this.

Kocak

Quote from: TAC on October 10, 2024, 04:20:16 AMProbably impossible at this point.


It is possible "in theory", but in practical terms, it is improbable.

Progmaniac1988

#4991
It's funny how much the era we start listening to DT makes such a difference in what we consider the "classic line up". I started listening to DT 2000ish right after scenes was released, and went backwards from there. SDOIT was my first DT album release experience. This current reunited line up was the first I saw in 2002. So to me this is the original classic line up lol. I forget some people conciter Moore to be in that spot over Rudess.. but I honestly cannot fathom DT without Rudess. To me he is THEIR classic keyboard player. He's been here over 25 years and his DNA is all over DT music. I'd never be happy if Moore replaced Rudess. Never understood this argument, even tho yes I do adore those 3 albums with Moore.

Maybe classic line up is more appropriate? Lol

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Sir Walrus Cauliflower

Quote from: durga2112 on October 10, 2024, 04:03:26 AMI get what you mean here, but I can't help but think that there are quite a few people who would like a word with you.  ;)

Hahaha, oh God, foot in mouth. I definitely meant "classic", though I know that's subjective. I know a KM show will never happen so I'm happy enough just to see MP behind the kit. Even still never even seen him live with another band either.

Quote from: Progmaniac1988 on October 10, 2024, 04:56:13 AMBut to stay on topic, is today the day??????

It should be... 14 more hours until we have a single? Hypothetically that is. I'm going to be pacing  :rollin
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Progmaniac1988

Yeahhh I'm getting no fucking work done today! Paycheck well earned 😂

Max Kuehnau

Quote from: PixelPioneer42 on October 09, 2024, 12:08:51 PMI really hope the last one (epic) is called Dream within a Dream
Alan Parsons might like a word in this case :lol
All my natural instincts are begging me to stop
But somehow I carry on, heading for the top
A physical absurdity, a tremendous mental game
Helping me understand exactly who I am

Max Kuehnau

Quote from: Sir Walrus Cauliflower on October 10, 2024, 04:59:18 AMHahaha, oh God, foot in mouth. I definitely meant "classic", though I know that's subjective. I know a KM show will never happen so I'm happy enough just to see MP behind the kit. Even still never even seen him live with another band either.

It should be... 14 more hours until we have a single? Hypothetically that is. I'm going to be pacing  :rollin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om-AQuH6KPE (I had to, sorry)

I'm calm as can be btw. Ignorance is bliss after all
All my natural instincts are begging me to stop
But somehow I carry on, heading for the top
A physical absurdity, a tremendous mental game
Helping me understand exactly who I am

TheOutlawXanadu

I find it funny how Portnoy was once criticized for "overplaying" but is now considered "non-technical". :lol

Pettor

Quote from: ChatGPTHi! Do you consider Mike Portnoy to be a technical drummer?

ChatGPT said:
Yes, Mike Portnoy is widely considered a highly technical drummer. His work with bands like Dream Theater, Liquid Tension Experiment, and others showcases his mastery of complex time signatures, polyrhythms, intricate drum fills, and rapid tempo changes. His ability to blend technical proficiency with musicality has earned him a reputation as one of the most skilled drummers in progressive rock and metal. He also incorporates various drumming styles and techniques, which further demonstrates his technical depth.

There you go!

(honestly you know a DT forum is the only part of the internet (except Opeth and Tool forums) where a discussion about MP being technical doesn't just end immediately because yes, yes he is)

Trav

Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on October 10, 2024, 06:00:00 AMI find it funny how Portnoy was once criticized for "overplaying" but is now considered "non-technical". :lol

My thoughts exactly.

Pettor

I never questioned if MP was technical or not but after he learned Tool Pneuma (arguably the hardest challenge anyone ever hard on that channel) it was pretty self-evidently so I think 😁

Sir Walrus Cauliflower

Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on October 10, 2024, 06:00:00 AMI find it funny how Portnoy was once criticized for "overplaying" but is now considered "non-technical". :lol

False dichotomy, even though where I stand is clear.

Anyways, ya'll think the teaser comes this morning with an announcement to follow? Or will they wait until tonight before the single hypothetically drops?

Maybe MP will close his eyes as the song fades in right before it drops on streaming  :eek

I quit doing what the green hat guy is doing a couple weeks ago so it's gonna smack when I listen tonight  :hat (assuming it does release...)

They're totally torturing us by subverting expectations for the MP teaser  >:(  :lol
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Wim Kruithof

Quote from: Kocak on October 10, 2024, 04:28:16 AMIt is possible "in theory", but in practical terms, it is improbable.

With Dominici being in heaven, not even in theory it's an option anymore.

Wim Kruithof

Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on October 10, 2024, 06:00:00 AMI find it funny how Portnoy was once criticized for "overplaying" but is now considered "non-technical". :lol

Barstool Warrior tried to transfer / lift the debate to the correct thread but darn, you'll can't let it go...

TheOutlawXanadu

Quote from: Wim Kruithof on October 10, 2024, 06:23:37 AMBarstool Warrior tried to transfer / lift the debate to the correct thread but darn, you'll can't let it go...
My apologies, I didn't realize that happened. Back on topic! :heart