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Deadeye Deep Dives: Metallica (Chapter 13: 72 Seasons)
« on: December 08, 2022, 08:19:53 PM »
With 72 Seasons coming in 18 weeks, I figure I’ll try my hand at doing another deep dive much like I did with Def Leppard earlier this year. There’s plenty to talk about, but I also know it may bore some people so I’m gonna aim to go for once a week with the main releases, but might add an extra one if there are EPs, bonus material worth extra discussion or something I judge to be a less main release than others when it comes to the live material.

Will aim to be a Friday main, Wednesday bonus sort of thing, but will be dictated by work and whatever else is going on in the real world.

Hope to have some people join for some discussions along the way. I know the St. Anger discussions will be fairly interesting.

Table of contents (adding as we go)
Kill ‘Em All: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57970.msg2946427#msg2946427
Ride the Lightning: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57970.msg2948546#msg2948546
Master of Puppets: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57970.msg2950514#msg2950514
Bonus: The $5.98 EP: Garage Days ReRevisited: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57970.msg2951226#msg2951226
…And Justice For All: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57970.msg2951763#msg2951763
The Black Album https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57970.msg2953533#msg2953533
Bonus: Live Sh*t: Binge and Purge https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57970.msg2954944#msg2954944
Load https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57970.msg2958028#msg2958028
ReLoad https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57970.msg2960069#msg2960069
Bonus: Cunning Stunts https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57970.msg2964012#msg2964012
Garage Inc. One: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57970.msg2965249#msg2965249 Two: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57970.msg2965615#msg2965615
S&M and I Disappear: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57970.msg2967674#msg2967674
St. Anger: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57970.msg2970668#msg2970668
Some Kind of Monster movie: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57970.msg2972393#msg2972393
St. Anger Live Material: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57970.msg2973929#msg2973929
Death Magnetic: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57970.msg2975536#msg2975536
Beyond Magnetic:https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=57970.msg2977739#msg2977739
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Re: Deadeye Deep Dives: Metallica (starts 16/12/22)
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2022, 10:04:35 PM »
Was planning to start next week, but just realising I’ve left one major release off of my list, so Kill ‘En All write up tonight!
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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2022, 05:17:41 AM »
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Re: Deadeye Deep Dives: Metallica (Chapter 1: Kill ‘Em All)
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2022, 05:23:28 AM »
Kill ‘Em All - 1983
Tracklisting: 1. Hit the Lights. 2. The Four Horsemen. 3. Motorbreath. 4. Jump in the Fire. 5. Anesthesia (Pulling Teeth). 6. Whiplash. 7. Phantom Lord. 8. No Remorse. 9. Seek And Destroy. 10. Metal Militia

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They were just a couple of angry teenagers back then. Back in late October of 1981, when a young Danish tennis prodigy named Lars Ulrich put an ad for band members in the local newspaper and met James Hetfield. It wouldn’t be long until they had recruited James’ housemate Ron McGovney and a young Dave Mustaine and started making sound together. Fast, ferocious, loud sound. They quickly rose to local fame, pushing hard with sheer determination. They quickly hit the “openers circuit” in LA, a great spot to be for a young band, started supporting bands like Saxon and soon cut their first demo tape that they called No Life ‘Til Leather. They soon relocated themselves to the San Francisco Bay Area, where they’d just secured themselves a new bass player. An absolute prodigy by the name of Cliff Burton.

Of course, that brief rundown omits the ugly side. They were absolute drunkards, which didn’t suit Mustaine’s violent side very well at all. After a few nasty incidents, the band found themselves needing to make a huge change for the sake of their future. Shortly after signing to a new label called Megaforce Records and making the long trek from California to New York, Mustaine was kicked out of the band and replaced with the then-current guitarist of Exodus, Kirk Hammett. What followed became a career that has spawned 42 years at the time of writing this. A legacy other metal bands could only wish to have. And it all starts with their debut album, Kill ‘Em All.

This album explodes to life with a wall of guitars and cymbals, bass slides and drum fills before we hear a guitar scratch into the first main riff of the album. While many could argue that this isn’t the most sophisticated, grand or complex of Metallica’s album openers, I have to say that this really sets the mood for Kill ‘Em All very well. It’s a massive wall of tremolo picked guitars, so the speed and aggression of this album are already well established from just a few notes. Then you get into Hit the Lights, a great speedy opener that opens with the line “no life ‘til leather, we’re gonna kick your ass tonight!”. What an awesome way to say “we’re here, we’re gonna do what we do, get on or get out of the way” right from the start. James screams his way through the lyrics, a real mission statement for what this album is. The chorus really says it all for their mindset here, “when we start to rock we never want to stop again, hit the lights!”. Kirk’s shredding is on full display here, with some great licks between choruses and verses. The climax of this song is a great jam for the rhythm section while Kirk goes full assault mode on lead guitar. It’s a great album opener, really setting the tone for all that will come.

Since we’ve brought up the name Dave Mustaine, we’ve also gotta talk about some of the controversy. The whole “Dave Wrote ‘Em All” thing. Admittedly, Metallica were in the wrong for using Dave’s material without his permission, but the songs were already staples of their live shows of the last two years at this point. They kinda had to be included.
As Mustaine said on the Rude Awakening  live album by Megadeth, there are two ways you can hear this next song. There’s the faster, more aggressive approach from Megadeth and then there’s the slower, extended version by Metallica. As much as I don’t want to turn this into a comparison between Megadeth and Metallica, I will leave it at I massively prefer Metallica’s version, The Four Horsemen. For one, Cliff’s bassline in the chorus is so catchy and then there’s the lyrical debate. The rewritten lyrics by  Hetfield about the four horsemen of the apocalypse is a massive improvement over the somewhat juvenile “I want to have a lot of sex” of Mechanix. The galloping riff either side of the bridge sounds better at the slower speed for my taste and I think the bridge section is actually really great. Now, there is the matter of the melodic interlude which is very Sweet Home Alabama influenced and almost does ‘t suit the song at all, but even that I still like. Comparing the final solos, I think I prefer Mustaine’s take on it, but Kirk is definitely no slouch either. The bass drop effect from Cliff that leads into the final gallop riff is definitely a really cool moment too, one that Mustaine never replicated for his recording.

Motorbreath is a decent song, opening with a great drum intro (wait, I just complimented Lars’ drumming). This song is one of only a handful in their entire career without a credit to Lars, being entirely composed by James. This song is about people who like to live their lives on the edge, full speed or nothing. The post-chorus interludes are a cool little change, but I’m not sure they really belong after the first chorus, where it makes a cool switch into the first solo section. Other than that, this one isn’t one I have a lot to say about. It’s a cool song for sure, but one that hasn’t left as grand of an impact on me as a lot of the others from Kill ‘Em All.

Jump in the Fire, on the other hand, is a really interesting song. The riff is composed around the G blues scale and it sounds surprisingly upbeat. This whole song actually sounds pretty upbeat, I love it. This draws heavily upon Metallica’s influences from the New Wave of British Heavy Metal movement, especially Iron Maiden and specifically Run to the Hills. Lyrically, this song is about the Devil trying to tempt people to embrace their darkness and join him in hell. The first guitar interlude is a great section, I’ve always loved the offset feeling of it. The climactic solo is a great one too, but sadly one that commits one of my biggest pet peeves in music and FADES OUT AS IT GETS GOOD!

But, if you’re looking for a great solo, the next track is a huge 4 minute bass solo. Ladies and gentlemen, I invite you to take a moment and remember the genius that was Cliff Burton as we just let Anesthesia (Pulling Teeth) was right over us. It’s a very well structured solo, I like that we get a switch up for the second half where Lars lays down a groove for Cliff to absolutely shred over. It’s hard to really say much, but seriously, just go and listen to this track again, it will always be worth the listen.

Something else I love about Anesthesia is how well it transitions into the start of Whiplash. And then, how great is Whiplash! This one is lyrically describing the feeling of being at a Metallica show and the symbiotic nature between the fans and the band. “We do our best, you’re the best, you make it real you know”. This song just has so much going for it, including one of my favourite solos on the album. The third verse does contain an interesting line though. The lyrics have always stated “we’re gathered here to maim and kill”, but James has often sworn that it’s “we’re gathered here to be with you”. I suppose it doesn‘t overly matter though. Another cool lyric change can be found in the last verse, where on the album it’s “we’ll never stop, we’ll never quit, coz we’re Metallica”, but live James often puts it on the crowd and says “YOU’RE Metallica”. It’s just a cool moment. I love the outro here too. Such a great little fast riff.

Uo next is a song that I’d equate to being the filler of the album, Phantom Lord. Man, this is a song that has a lot of elements that I really like, but it’s elements I like within larger elements I really don’t. For example, the intro before the main riff. It feels like it should be the invitation to a much better payoff. Instead, it feels like it just goes dead before the song kinda restarts when the main riff kicks off. Then the verses feel well connected to the choruses, but the little solo turnaround that take the chorus back to ANOTHER reset with the main riff feels like they may have gotten a little lazy with structuring this song. When it gets to the instrumental section, I really like all the parts, individually. However, I feel like the connection from the clean section and the subsequent build out of it is once again released poorly with the big E chords before the solos restart at pretty much the exact same point it was before, just check out a live version (like this one https://youtu.be/ZQzCOcCbmxA). Even lyrically, this one doesn’t feel as mature as any of the others on this album. So what do I like? I really like almost everything instrumentally. I think all these riffs are great, especially the clean section, but I just feel like this wasn’t structured well enough to let it all go together,

No Remorse is the song that starts a long running theme throughout many Metallica albums, the war song! And what a great way to kick it all off. The intro is a great grooving riff with an absolutely blistering solo over the top. As it kicks into the verse riff, the energy dissipates for a few seconds, giving us a brief breather before it all kicks in again. Hetfield’s soaring screams really sit in well on this song for me. I really like the instrumental bridge between verse and chorus here and gamers should definitely recognise the chorus riff here (E1M1, anyone?). It’s actually this instrumental breakdown here that leaves me undecided how I feel. This section and the third verse often get skipped live, but I often feel like this section is skipped unfairly. Other times, I’ll hear it and think “huh, that’s really not as good as I remember it being”. Fun thing is that the end of this section actually features the very first harmony guitar in a Metallica song. The ending of this song is definitely a highlight of the entire album though.

Not as much of a highlight as the song that follows it though. Three simple words, Seek And Destroy! The Kill ‘Em All song that has been featured the most prominently on setlists across the last 40 years. Deservedly so. I don’t think I have to say much about this song, because there’s a very strong chance you’re already familiar with the track. It’s one of the most essential lyrics for any new Metallica listener and if you’re going to a Metallica weekend on the M72 tour, you’re gonna hear this on at least one of the two nights. Also, I really envy you, coz I will not be getting that chance for ages.

Closing out Kill ‘Em All, we have Metal Militia. Man, going back to the album version again after a long time has not done me any favours. This is a song where James’ screaming does not work for me at all. It’s just too high, too dissonant and it just doesn’t work for me. Riffs are very cool though, especially the one used for the intro and the chorus. I don’t care for the solo on this one, but I love the rising pattern that follows it and the transition back into the final verse. The song fades out into some really cheesy sound effects too, which really doesn’t help. I was lucky enough to see this song live on Metallica’s last show in Australia almost ten years ago now and I actually thought it was a great treat, even though it no longer suits James vocally (you can check out that particular performance here https://youtu.be/6MafRlNKtgY)  pretty cool to see this has made a resurgence on setlists lately, I enjoy hearing it live, but the album version really does nothing for me.


So, Kill ‘Em All. It’s a solid effort for a debut album and they did a lot right. Ultimately, this album needn’t do much more than set up the base on which they would grow their sound and I think it achieves this mission. It doesn’t have a lot of my absolute favourites on it, but it doesn’t really need to either. This album has a few songs I’d absolutely recommend with Hit the Lights, Four Horsmen, Whiplash and No Remorse and one essential listen with Seek And Destroy.

I rate it a 7.5, but what do you guys think of Kill ‘Em All after almost 40 years? Let’s open up a discussion til I deep dive Ride the Lightning next Friday!
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Re: Deadeye Deep Dives: Metallica (Chapter 1: Kill ‘Em All)
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2022, 06:48:39 AM »
I haven't mixed feelings for Kill 'Em All. I didn't get into Metallica until the 90s and didn't check out their debut until much later and it largely fell flat for me and I think my feels are still the same. There are moments of brilliance but there is also a lot of stuff that is over hyped. Anesthesia should've been left off and Seek and Destroy has worn out it's welcome.

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Re: Deadeye Deep Dives: Metallica (Chapter 1: Kill ‘Em All)
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2022, 06:54:49 AM »
Ooh boy. Reaper with the hot takes. This is gonna be fun when we get to Load if 90s era was your thing
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Re: Deadeye Deep Dives: Metallica (Chapter 1: Kill ‘Em All)
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2022, 07:34:27 AM »
Great writeup Deadeye.

I bought Kill 'Em All when it came out. I heard Hit The Lights on my local metal radio show when I was 14. That opening is epic.
They were able to mold all different interpretations of heavy metal music, and deliver an extremely fresh approach. James' vocals are obviously young, but that's part of the charm.

Kill 'Em All is easily my favorite Metallica album, and it's a Top 10 album all time for me as well.
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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2022, 12:50:16 PM »
It really is a great album. I do feel, however, that almost all of the songs I prefer from their late 80's, early 90's live recordings. I still love the album though.

Looking forward to the rest of the stuff! Since I'm a huge Load/Reload fan, it'll be fun discussing those and hopefully won't be too overloaded (no pun) by the debate if they should've stayed thrash, sold out, blah blah that's been done to death.

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Re: Deadeye Deep Dives: Metallica (Chapter 1: Kill ‘Em All)
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2022, 01:22:28 PM »
I've been wanting to post here all afternoon,  so here we are.

First of all, as Tim said, really great write up dude. Loads of good information about the formation of the band, and these songs we know so well. I did want to also add that there was a brief period, before Mustaine joined, that Lloyd Grant was in the band, and he played lead guitar on the original Hit the Lights demo.

Before getting to Kill 'em All I just want to give my background with the band a bit. For me, Metallica were my favourite band, they were the epitome of everything I could ever want in music. As time has gone on they have been usurped by Coheed and Cambria, but they will always remain my first musical love, and I've got the M and A from the logo tattooed on my chest to prove it.

My older brother was my gateway to all things metal and unbeknownst to me, was playing lots of Metallica around me from a young age. This was the late 80s/early 90s, and I think at that point he basically had Ride the Lightning and The Black Album, but those albums were played relentlessly and seeped into my DNA.

When my brother moved out of home I lost touch with metal, as I wasn't really interested in anything other than computer games and football. By 2001 I started my first job, and used to work alongside a guy who used to bring different CDs into work each week. It was mainly hip hop (which was what I was into at the time), stuff like Dialated Peoples and The Streets, but one day he brought in The Black Album. I hadn't heard this album in full for probably 7 or 8 years by that point, and didn't even really know what I was listening to back then, it was just my brothers music. Holy fuck was this an awakening! I was working away listening to this album, thinking "I know all of these songs, how do I know them?". I asked if I could borrow the CD at the end of the day and he said it was fine. Come the end of the week I just knew I had to own this CD, and more Metallica. To this day I have the vivid memory of going to HMV that weekend to buy the CD, I had The Black Album in one hand, and Stoned Raiders ny Cypress Hill in the other (an album I'd wanted for ages). I couldn't afford both so had to choose. That was the moment I became the metalhead I was destined to become, and turned my back on hip hop.

At the same time as I got into The Black Album, Kerrang magazine had released a special 'Legends' issue all about Metallica. I picked it up and read that shit cover to cover, for months. I immersed myself in the band in a way I'd never done before. I also decided I needed to savour this band and their music. I'm so glad I experienced that in a time before streaming, so I don't have their catalogue at my finger tips. I remember deliberating on the order of which to listen to this beautiful band. After listening to The Black Album for months I decided Ride the Lightning was next. From there I bought Master of Puppets, then ...And Justice for All. I knew Load and Reload were divisive, so went to Kill 'em All before tackling the rest of the 90s output.

So here we are, ready to talk about Kill 'em All. By the time I got to this album I'd heard all Metallica's other thrash albums and knew they were unlike any band I'd ever heard. I kinda knew what I was letting myself in for and I loved it all the same.

I truly love this album, and although it's their rawest, the songwriting improved as they grew as a band and the lyrics were far from their best, it has something about it.

It's also not as consistent as the next 4 albums they released, for me. It's an album of highs and, not lows, but distinctly average songs. First to the ones I love, and the ones that will always be in a playlist of my all time favourite songs. Wait, I need to stick the vinyl on before going any further...

Hit the Lights, what a way to start. The speed, the guitar solos, the statement (as you put it Deadeye). Yea it's a little on the nose, but it gets you pumped. Those relentless solos are just pure thrash, and I adore them.

Next, The Four Horseman is my favourite song off the album, and feels like the most mature song. I agree that it is better than The Mechanix, by some ways. The riffs on this thing are just a work of art.

Motorbreath is another straight up rocker, and one that gets you pumped!

Anesthesia is pretty cool for what it is, and I really enjoy it wherever I do listen to it. It always struck me as the sort of thing that was setting them apart from their contemporaries.

It's pretty clear that my faves are mainly the pedal to the metal thrashers, as next favourite is Whiplash.

Lastly (for my faves) is No Remorse. It's slightly more restrained, but every bit as awesome!

The middle of the road songs, for me, are Jump in the Fire, Phantom Lord and Metal Militia. They're not bad as such but I suppose the other songs have something that hints at the greatness to come, whereas those three don't for me.

Lastly is Seek & Destroy. By far one of Metallica's most overrated songs, actually I think it is THE most overrated. I find it a little annoying and I could happily go see them live and not hear thay song, but I think I'm an odd one out for thinking that.

Let's rank them up...

All time classics

The Four Horseman
Whiplash
Hit the Lights
Motorbreath

Pretty rad

(Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth
No Remorse

Pretty average

Metal Militia
Phantom Lord
Jump in the Fire

Pretty overrated

Seek & Destroy

I still revisit Metallica, and this album, fairly frequently, and I can't imagine a time in my life where I wouldn't spin this at least once a year.

I know that if I rated my all time top 50 albums Kill 'em All would make the cut, but I could never rate it above the next 4 Metallica albums, for a start.

Tim, I find it crazy to think this is your fave Metallica album, and an all time top 10 record (although I do recall you saying that before). Then again, I can't talk as I'm in the Led Zep countdown thread saying Led Zeppelin I is their best album by a long way, so it's all tastes. I can assume that Kill 'em All was your first Metallica album and gateway into thrash?

Thanks for starting this Deadeye. Maybe if the thread gains enough traction we can convince Kev to do a Metallica Top 40 Thread.

I prefer from their late 80's, early 90's live recordings.

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Re: Deadeye Deep Dives: Metallica (Chapter 1: Kill ‘Em All)
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2022, 01:46:44 PM »

Tim, I find it crazy to think this is your fave Metallica album, and an all time top 10 record (although I do recall you saying that before).  I can assume that Kill 'em All was your first Metallica album and gateway into thrash?


It was definitely my first Metallica album. Like I said, I heard it virtually upon its release. I was 14, maybe just turned 15 at the time. I loved it. I have always loved it. I was in on some early thrash at this time. Mercyful Fate, Tank, Anthrax, that sort of thing.

Oddly, I was listening to other stuff during the RTL/MOP cycles. I think I didn't care for the imagery, the vocals, of heavy thrash metal. I was off into the easier to digest Maiden/Dio, plus I was headlong into my UFO journey. Not only that, but there was an explosion of bands/music at this time in the hard rock/metal genre.

I wouldn't truly get back into Metallica until the Garage Days Rerevisited a few years later.
More on that when we get to it.
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Re: Deadeye Deep Dives: Metallica (Chapter 1: Kill ‘Em All)
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2022, 03:39:00 PM »
I've gone through Metallica's discography once before around a year ago or so, and I mostly liked it. This seems like a good excuse to check 'em out again!

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Re: Deadeye Deep Dives: Metallica (Chapter 1: Kill ‘Em All)
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2022, 04:11:15 PM »
I wouldn't truly get back into Metallica until the Garage Days Rerevisited a few years later.
More on that when we get to it.
We will definitely be covering the 5.98 EP. That’s one of my Wednesday deep dives but there’s a lot of cool stuff there I want to talk about.

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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2022, 04:17:28 PM »
Kill Em All isn't a top5 Metallica album for me or anything but for a debut album I would say it's pretty good. In fact, I would say it's the best debut album from any of the big4 bands within the thrash scene. Some great tunes on there, Seek & Destroy, Hit the Lights, Whiplash, The Four Horsemen, No Remorse and so on. It's a great album that's overshadowed by better albums that came afterwards but overall I still like it.

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Re: Deadeye Deep Dives: Metallica (Chapter 1: Kill ‘Em All)
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2022, 06:07:47 AM »
I wouldn't truly get back into Metallica until the Garage Days Rerevisited a few years later.
More on that when we get to it.
We will definitely be covering the 5.98 EP. That’s one of my Wednesday deep dives but there’s a lot of cool stuff there I want to talk about.

Glad to have a few people onboard with this one!

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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2022, 06:24:10 AM »
I wouldn't truly get back into Metallica until the Garage Days Rerevisited a few years later.
More on that when we get to it.
We will definitely be covering the 5.98 EP. That’s one of my Wednesday deep dives but there’s a lot of cool stuff there I want to talk about.

Glad to have a few people onboard with this one!

Please do Garage Inc and S&M Live as well. They are peak Metallica as far as I'm concerned  :metal

Bro, you have no idea how much content I have to talk about here. Here’s a quick rundown of my table of contents. If anyone knows how I can make links to where each segment starts when this is done, that’d be great.
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Kill ‘Em All
Ride the Lightning
Master of Puppets

$5.98 EP: Garage Days Rerevisited
…And Justice For All
Metallica (The Black Album)
Love Shit: Binge and Purge
Load

Cunning Stunts
ReLoad
Garage Inc. - Yeah, you just said it’s peak for you, but I have less to say about covers than originals
S&M
St. Anger

Some Kind of Monster (Movie and EP) and Liberté, Égalité, Fraternite, Metallica!
Death Magnetic
Beyond Magnetic
Live Magnetic (Nimes, Mexico, Sofia, Quebec, Australian 2 part EPs)

Through the Never (Movie and Album)
Hardwired… to Self-Destruct

Hardwired Bonus Disc (Covers + Record Store Day gig)
S&M2
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Re: Deadeye Deep Dives: Metallica (Chapter 1: Kill ‘Em All)
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2022, 06:37:44 AM »
Nice dude!

I can share thoughts on all of these releases other than Liberté, Égalité, Fraternite, Metallica! I've literally never heard of that. Googling now.

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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2022, 06:49:07 AM »
Nice dude!

I can share thoughts on all of these releases other than Liberté, Égalité, Fraternite, Metallica! I've literally never heard of that. Googling now.

Glad you're skipping Lulu, best we pretend that doesn't exist.

I think we all know it doesn’t deserve to be on the list. St. Anger is already gonna be a huge discussion.
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Re: Deadeye Deep Dives: Metallica (Chapter 1: Kill ‘Em All)
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2022, 06:54:35 AM »
I wouldn't truly get back into Metallica until the Garage Days Rerevisited a few years later.
More on that when we get to it.
We will definitely be covering the 5.98 EP. That’s one of my Wednesday deep dives but there’s a lot of cool stuff there I want to talk about.

Glad to have a few people onboard with this one!

Please do Garage Inc and S&M Live as well. They are peak Metallica as far as I'm concerned  :metal

Bro, you have no idea how much content I have to talk about here. Here’s a quick rundown of my table of contents. If anyone knows how I can make links to where each segment starts when this is done, that’d be great.
Bold for the major release Fridays, italics for extra content Wednesdays
Kill ‘Em All
Ride the Lightning
Master of Puppets

$5.98 EP: Garage Days Rerevisited
…And Justice For All
Metallica (The Black Album)
Love Shit: Binge and Purge
Load

Cunning Stunts
ReLoad
Garage Inc. - Yeah, you just said it’s peak for you, but I have less to say about covers than originals
S&M
St. Anger

Some Kind of Monster (Movie and EP) and Liberté, Égalité, Fraternite, Metallica!
Death Magnetic
Beyond Magnetic
Live Magnetic (Nimes, Mexico, Sofia, Quebec, Australian 2 part EPs)

Through the Never (Movie and Album)
Hardwired… to Self-Destruct

Hardwired Bonus Disc (Covers + Record Store Day gig)
S&M2


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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2022, 06:56:26 AM »
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Re: Deadeye Deep Dives: Metallica (Chapter 1: Kill ‘Em All)
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2022, 02:08:25 PM »
I've given Kill 'Em All a few listens over the past couple days or so, and I'm enjoying this one a little more than I expected! I'll write a more detailed post about it tonight.

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« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2022, 02:16:57 PM »
I think that as great as Kill 'em All is, it's pretty astonishing how much they upped their game in the space of a year. I've often said Ride the Lightning is the best metal album of all time, and still stand by that.

I think a huge part is James' lyrics went from 'we're here to party' to 'we're here to contemplate war, death, afterlife, Egyptian plagues and Lovecraftian horror'.

Well, obviously the songs were significantly better as well but damn, the images those lyrics conjure up.

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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2022, 02:34:41 PM »
I've never been overly impressed by Kill 'Em All. That said, I didn't discover Metallica until the late 1980s, so I pretty much had to go backwards from Justice. And when I did, Kill Em All didn't quite hold up. That said, it's isn't a bad debut. There are, as has been said, moments of brilliance on it. It's raw, loud, and in your face. And back when Metallica was playing these songs for the first night in the clubs, no one sounded like this.

I don't think this defines Metallica's origins however. Despite Kirk playing the parts, Kill 'Em All has Mustaine's feel all over it. He was integral to Kill 'Em All. I truthfully always considered Ride the Lightning to really be the genesis of the Metallica that we knew through the Black Album. KEA, to me, is a nice appetizer until we get to RTL and then to Megadeth's Killing is My Business. That's just me personally though. I think Kill Em All has more in common with Killing is My Business than it does Ride the Lightning.

Anyway, you can't deny the ferocity of Kill Em All. There was nothing like that at the time. Sure, influenced by the stuff in Europe, but taken up a notch and essentially creating thrash metal. Iconic release.
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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2022, 02:45:42 PM »
I listen to KEA now and can't believe how young James sounded.  I love the record though, every song to me is a classic.  It also reminds me of being 13 in and getting my first CD player.  I only had the Black Album on cassette.  My parents took me to the store to buy some CD's and I bought KEA and Def Leppard's Adrenalize, both in long-box CD format.   :lol  My copy of KEA still has my parent's home phone number written on the front of the booklet, as I lent the CD to a friend sometime back then too.

It also is a great way to explain how I discovered the Metallica/Mustaine/Megadeth connection.  In 1993, I was a brand new metal fan and knew NOTHING of Metallica's history.  I was unaware of metal magazines and didn't have any friends to talk about the music with.  So I bought KEA and thought it was weird that a guy named Mustaine wrote a bunch of the songs, but wasn't pictured in the booklet.  What is that about?  I then saw a Megadeth CD (Countdown to Extinction) at my friend's house and thought it looked cool.  It had a pointy logo, like Metallica did.  So I got that CD around the same time, read the booklet and was amazed to discover some guy named Mustaine pictured in THAT booklet.  I figured it must have been the same guy.  I then started going to our town's library to check out metal CD's and cassettes, and also discovered that they had computers hooked up to some "internet" that I could search.  I searched for Metallica and came up with some Metallica fan site hosted on Angelfire with 8-bit looking graphics that told the band's history, including the early years with Dave Mustaine.   :lol

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« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2022, 03:28:10 PM »
I've never been overly impressed by Kill 'Em All. That said, I didn't discover Metallica until the late 1980s, so I pretty much had to go backwards from Justice. And when I did, Kill Em All didn't quite hold up. That said, it's isn't a bad debut. There are, as has been said, moments of brilliance on it. It's raw, loud, and in your face. And back when Metallica was playing these songs for the first night in the clubs, no one sounded like this.

I don't think this defines Metallica's origins however. Despite Kirk playing the parts, Kill 'Em All has Mustaine's feel all over it. He was integral to Kill 'Em All. I truthfully always considered Ride the Lightning to really be the genesis of the Metallica that we knew through the Black Album. KEA, to me, is a nice appetizer until we get to RTL and then to Megadeth's Killing is My Business. That's just me personally though. I think Kill Em All has more in common with Killing is My Business than it does Ride the Lightning.

Anyway, you can't deny the ferocity of Kill Em All. There was nothing like that at the time. Sure, influenced by the stuff in Europe, but taken up a notch and essentially creating thrash metal. Iconic release.

This is kind of me.  I got into Metallica in between ...And Justice... and The Black Album.  Compared to them, it's hard to get into KEA.  I tried to compare it to Twisted Sister and Motley Crüe; two bands whose first album is very... singular sounding in the catalogue, but both Under The Blade and Too Fast For Love seem more fully formed to me.

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Re: Deadeye Deep Dives: Metallica (Chapter 1: Kill ‘Em All)
« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2022, 05:08:45 PM »
I love Kill 'Em All. Just a classic album. One thing I want to say is that I absolutely love Phantom Lord as it doesn't seem to be getting that much love in the posts above. All the songs are classics to me, even Jump in the Fire which has its own charm. I agree that Seek and Destroy is the one song that has been a little overplayed in the live show which ruins some of its appeal.

I also really love Hetfield's vocals here. They are so raw and unrefined and it just works for this music.

You can really feel a real energy and passion in the playing and delivery of this album.

Kill 'Em All isn't my favourite Metallica album but it isn't far off the top.

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Re: Deadeye Deep Dives: Metallica (Chapter 1: Kill ‘Em All)
« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2022, 05:48:53 PM »
I dig KeA, but it never really fit in with Metallica for me. I got into the band with Ride, and then Master came along before I ever heard KeA. For me it was just a big step backward. Like I said, I dig the album, but it's not a classic for me. Typing this it occurs to me that something like that happened to me with Maiden, where after Piece/Powerslave going back and listening to the first two seemed similarly out of place. At the same time Killers remains one of my top three Maiden albums. KeA, not so much. It just doesn't hold up as well as what would come later.

Never got the appeal of S&D. I've seen it countless times and it never really works for me. For all the mystique built up around it it's one of the poppiest things they ever did. Then you've got closing the show with it, house lights up, beach balls bouncing around, it just doesn't really tie in with everything else they've done, either career wise or that night. Strange vibe.
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Re: Deadeye Deep Dives: Metallica (Chapter 1: Kill ‘Em All)
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2022, 06:10:27 PM »
I bought Kill Em All in late 1983, without knowing a thing about Metallica at the time. There was a rack of newer metal releases in the record store, and I picked up Kill Em All and Exciter’s Violence & Force. I have no memory of why I would have chosen two records with rather terrible album covers. :lol

I got home and listened to Violence & Force and wasn’t impressed with it at all. I then put Kill Em All on the turntable, having low expectations after being disappointed with Violence & Force. I just remember being blown away by those crunchy riffs coming out of the speakers. While Kill Em All is far from being my favourite Metallica album, their sound was so pioneering back in 1983.

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« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2022, 06:20:28 PM »
I bought Kill Em All in late 1983,

I ordered it from 1-800- Hot Rocks, which apparently was based in Buffalo. Had a chat with the guy about Talas while he processed my order.
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« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2022, 07:25:36 PM »
I bought Kill Em All in late 1983,

I ordered it from 1-800- Hot Rocks, which apparently was based in Buffalo. Had a chat with the guy about Talas while he processed my order.

I’m not familiar with 1-800-Hot-Rocks. The lengths we had to go to in order to get our music.  :lol

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Re: Deadeye Deep Dives: Metallica (Chapter 1: Kill ‘Em All)
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2022, 08:03:00 PM »
When I first started listening to Kill 'Em All, I thought it was alright. A few listens later, I think this album's pretty cool! Every single song has something memorable on it, and I love how fast and intense it is. I think the bass of all things is the best part; the guitar, drums, and vocals are all great as well, but I really like the sound of the bass. It almost sounds like a brass instrument sometimes, but maybe that's just my imagination. My only complaint is that some of the songs sound similar and blend together, but that's a minor issue because it's still consistently enjoyable. I'm going to be ranking the songs and then giving my thoughts about them:

1. The Four Horsemen - This song is really awesome. I love the chorus, the instrumental section that starts around two minutes in, and the "roll call" verse after that. The guitar solo at the end was great. I think the lyrics themselves are a highlight, too; I think they do an excellent job at portraying the Four Horsemen as greatly powerful and ominous entities, and also complements the mood of the music really well.
2. Seek & Destroy - Like TFH, the music and lyrics greatly complement one another, and possibly does that even better. The instrumental parts of this are very satisfying, and the chorus is infectious.
3. Whiplash - This song demonstrates the qualities I enjoy most about this band: Fast tempos, great riffs, and an exciting, intense performance.
4. (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth - This is better than Chris and Kevin's Excellent Adventure. That's all I need to say.
5. Metal Militia - Very good song overall! I don't have much to say about this one besides that I enjoy the main riff of the song a lot.
6. No Remorse - The vocals are the highlight of this song for me. Hetfield's vocals aren't the greatest I've heard or anything, but his voice suits the music so well.
7. Hit the Lights - What's done in this song is done better by several other songs on this album, but as an intro to the album, it's very well-done.
8. Phantom Lord - Good, but not all that memorable. I really like the clean guitar section at around 2:30.
9. Motorbreath - Nothing to say about this one, honestly. I like it, it's just similar enough to the rest of the album that I don't have much to comment on for this one.
10. Jump in the Fire - This has a kind of commercial feel to it, but I don't mean that in a bad way. It's quite catchy, and sounds pretty good. I just happened to like this one the least.

This marathon is already off to a great start, and I am looking forward to going through the rest!

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« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2022, 08:22:29 PM »
Awesome idea for a thread, I’ll post my thoughts tomorrow. I’ve been with them ever since this album.

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« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2022, 07:48:13 AM »
Prior to hearing this album, the heaviest/fastest thing I had heard was The Number of the Beast album. Growing up with parents that only listened to country/western, I was slow getting up to speed. The year before, Quiet Riot had become a sensation and so I had albums from them, Ratt, Crue, Scorpions etc. But I was always looking for the next fastest thing. A local radio show had a Metal Shop hour Friday or Saturday night, and I heard Jump in the Fire. Asking friends at school the next day, one was like "that's the SLOW song on the album". He copied a tape for me and the rest is history. I had no real knowledge of music, didn't know lead from rhythm guitar or anything about drums, but it was definitely a case of "THIS is what I've been searching for" and never had that feeling again until 20 years later after getting into Images and Words.

That radio show was great btw, they played whatever album cut they wanted. Later on No Remorse and Ride the Lightning were in rotation. Without any musical knowledge it was hard to process what I was listening to but I liked it. I suppose you could say that Kill 'Em All has become a little underrated today but for the last 40 years I think it generally finishes pretty high on "Greatest Thrash Album" lists. Oh yeah, and James sounds so young on this because he WAS young, 19 when it was recorded. A bunch of 19 and 20 year old kids made this historic record.

My (controversial) ranking of the songs:
No Remorse
Metal Militia
Motorbreath
Hit the Lights
The Four Horsemen
Phantom Lord
Whiplash
Jump in the Fire
Seek & Destroy
Anesthesia


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« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2022, 07:50:02 AM »
One thing I want to say is that I absolutely love Phantom Lord as it doesn't seem to be getting that much love in the posts above.

I got to see them play that song live in 2000, which was awesome.  At the time, their setlists had become stale in the late 90's and deep cuts weren't ever really played.  You knew what they were going to play every night.  They did a small mini-tour around Y2K and for the Chicago shows, they broke out Phantom Lord the night I attended, and the next night got Trapped Under Ice. 

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« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2022, 08:18:59 AM »

My (controversial) ranking of the songs:
No Remorse
Metal Militia
Motorbreath
Hit the Lights
The Four Horsemen
Phantom Lord
Whiplash
Jump in the Fire
Seek & Destroy
Anesthesia

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« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2022, 09:05:45 AM »
Okay, so Metallica has always and likely will always be my favorite band.  KEA is clearly a genre defining album that is essential for any thrash fan.  That said, what is to come from Metallica is miles ahead of this one.  There are still some gems to be found here though, and overall it is a great debut.  I enjoy it much more than any of the debut albums from the Big 4.

Hit the Lights - a solid opener, love the outro part.
Four Horseman - Much better version of the Mechanix, and a sign of where they were heading musically and lyrically.  My
                         favorite track.  Love the galloping riff and riff behind the "roll call" part.
Motorbreath - short and sweet with a punkier vibe.
Jump in the Fire - never been a fan, my least favorite track.  I really don't like the main riff.
Anesthesia - it's pretty cool to hear it every so often, but I rank it near the bottom.
Whiplash - Thrash Metal at it's finest, absolute classic.
Phantom Lord - I really like this one too, so I'll stick up for it.  Love the punkier main riff and the slow part.
No Remorse - Great riffs abound here.  My 2nd favorite track.
Seek and Destroy - Yes it's iconic, but I've never been a fan of it.  The last 2 riffs before the ending part are the only thing I
                             really enjoy.  The long versions from the Black Album Tour are pretty cool though.
Metal Militia - It's okay, the verse riff kinda bugs me along with James' vocals during the verses.