The downfall of Twitter/the rise of X

[DragonAttack]

Since basically the same thing has been OK on the 'post funny stuff ' thread for days, (and with advising from a mod), this is the pic I posted last weekend, along with a non-direct comment.



Perhaps, Mr. Musk will try to take over those type of web sites as well.

(Again, sorry for the totally innocent nonknowing original post. I followed through with this because I didn't want people to think I did something blatantly wrong.)

[lonestar]

Lead singer for BAND-MAID Saiki tweeted that she doesn't recognize her feed anymore... If Elon fucks up my primary lifeline to communication with my beloved J-metal musicians, I'll fucking kneecap him myself.

...fuck. Serve him up.

It seems Twitter is pretty big in Japan, and FB isn't, so that's where most of the musicians do their thing. They're migrating to IG pretty heavily, but Twitter is still the main base of operations for now. I've curated my feed so it's like 99% Japanese and Joe and Marc...

[Stadler]

Lead singer for BAND-MAID Saiki tweeted that she doesn't recognize her feed anymore... If Elon fucks up my primary lifeline to communication with my beloved J-metal musicians, I'll fucking kneecap him myself.

...fuck. Serve him up.

It seems Twitter is pretty big in Japan, and FB isn't, so that's where most of the musicians do their thing. They're migrating to IG pretty heavily, but Twitter is still the main base of operations for now. I've curated my feed so it's like 99% Japanese and Joe and Marc...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[cramx3]

In related news, Threads has already lost 50% of its users.  I don't think Zuckerburg is going to kill twitter, at least not in the near future.

[XeRocks81]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/08/15/twitter-x-links-delayed/

what a little bitch, seriously

[cramx3]

  it's honestly kind of funny, but in all seriousness, it's not cool to use the platform as your personal playground.

[Stadler]

No, it's not.   But I would be remiss if I didn't point out that this is the next step for many of the things written about in P/R.   When you throttle or limit information - whether it's an individual or the "collective" - for whatever reason YOU justify, you have to accept it when someone else does it for criteria THEY justify, even if you don't agree with it.  Didn't we have a pretty lively conversation about limiting access to websites that were less than conservative about COVID protocols, for example, or that were perhaps not fully informed as to COVID, how it works, and how to stop it?   For all we know, Elon may legitimately think that those sites he's throttling are peddling false information.  What's the difference?  In both cases, someone else is making decisions for us that we should be making for ourselves.

[Chino]

No, it's not.   But I would be remiss if I didn't point out that this is the next step for many of the things written about in P/R.   When you throttle or limit information - whether it's an individual or the "collective" - for whatever reason YOU justify, you have to accept it when someone else does it for criteria THEY justify, even if you don't agree with it.  Didn't we have a pretty lively conversation about limiting access to websites that were less than conservative about COVID protocols, for example, or that were perhaps not fully informed as to COVID, how it works, and how to stop it?   For all we know, Elon may legitimately think that those sites he's throttling are peddling false information.  What's the difference?  In both cases, someone else is making decisions for us that we should be making for ourselves.

He'd be blocking them entirely in the name of public safety like the Covid sites telling people to consume bleach were, I would think. What he's doing here is just forcing sites he doesn't like to take forever to load, just to annoy the people trying to view those sources. He's trolling.

[Stadler]

No, it's not.   But I would be remiss if I didn't point out that this is the next step for many of the things written about in P/R.   When you throttle or limit information - whether it's an individual or the "collective" - for whatever reason YOU justify, you have to accept it when someone else does it for criteria THEY justify, even if you don't agree with it.  Didn't we have a pretty lively conversation about limiting access to websites that were less than conservative about COVID protocols, for example, or that were perhaps not fully informed as to COVID, how it works, and how to stop it?   For all we know, Elon may legitimately think that those sites he's throttling are peddling false information.  What's the difference?  In both cases, someone else is making decisions for us that we should be making for ourselves.

He'd be blocking them entirely in the name of public safety like the Covid sites telling people to consume bleach were, I would think. What he's doing here is just forcing sites he doesn't like to take forever to load, just to annoy the people trying to view those sources. He's trolling.

That's how I read it too, and if he is, he's a dick, I get that. I sort of think that if you put a platform out there, you take the good with the bad.  But there's no law against being a dick.  It's kind of funny to see people get all uppity over this stuff when if the circumstances were different, they might see it another way.

[cramx3]

He's trolling.

Yup.  Which is why I do find it a bit funny.  He's got a sense of humor, that's for sure.

[ProfessorPeart]

I'm convinced the man wants to destroy his investment.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/18/musk-says-twitter-now-x-is-moving-to-monthly-subscriptions.html

[cramx3]

Yeah, that'll work....

No one is going to pay to use twitter

[XJDenton]

I mean, some do, just not enough, and the free users are what makes it worthwhile for them.

[cramx3]

I mean, some do, just not enough, and the free users are what makes it worthwhile for them.

I meant the general public, obviously people ahve paid for the blue check mark (which mostly boggles my mind, I do think there are some cases it may make sense though).  But general twitter access behind a paywall?  They would need to have exclusive content a la Netflix.  Tweets, generally, aren't that different than facebook posts.  They mostly aren't exclusive or worthy to pay for.  Add in the fact that many famous people, (in my case, band members I follow), didn't buy the blue check mark, then those people are just going to drop off the platform which is (once again, at least for me) the entire point of it is to have that access to someone you otherwise wouldn't.  Twitter behind a paywall becomes a small group of people in a circle jerk lead by Elon himself IMO.

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

I'm convinced the man wants to destroy his investment.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/18/musk-says-twitter-now-x-is-moving-to-monthly-subscriptions.html

he's the world's largest man baby, of course he wants it gone. he is probably still mad someone named @pantherinadogsworld69 called him a bitch once

[lonestar]

RIP Twitter

[hefdaddy42]

I'm convinced the man wants to destroy his investment.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/18/musk-says-twitter-now-x-is-moving-to-monthly-subscriptions.html

he's the world's largest man baby, of course he wants it gone. he is probably still mad someone named @pantherinadogsworld69 called him a bitch once

[XJDenton]

I mean, some do, just not enough, and the free users are what makes it worthwhile for them.

I meant the general public, obviously people ahve paid for the blue check mark (which mostly boggles my mind, I do think there are some cases it may make sense though).  But general twitter access behind a paywall?  They would need to have exclusive content a la Netflix.  Tweets, generally, aren't that different than facebook posts.  They mostly aren't exclusive or worthy to pay for.  Add in the fact that many famous people, (in my case, band members I follow), didn't buy the blue check mark, then those people are just going to drop off the platform which is (once again, at least for me) the entire point of it is to have that access to someone you otherwise wouldn't.  Twitter behind a paywall becomes a small group of people in a circle jerk lead by Elon himself IMO.

No disagreement there.

[cramx3]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-x-formerly-known-twitter-232930999.html

X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, will begin charging new users $1 a year to access key features including the ability to tweet, reply, and quote, according to a source familiar with the matter and later confirmed by the company.

The company will begin charging the fee on Tuesday for new users in New Zealand and the Philippines, marking one of the most significant changes to the social media platform since Elon Musk acquired the company nearly a year ago.

This doesn't sound initially as bad as I thought, but honestly, it's still not good when every other social media is free.  If this is all about stopping bots, why are the bots worse since Elon took over? How do other companies deal with bots?  I certainly see them ALL the time on Instagram, but it's fairly easy to ignore.  I can also ignore them easily on twitter.  It really doesn't bother me much, but a lot of the twitter bots I see are porn related and that I'd imagine bothers people a lot more. 

[HOF]

I’m not sure what this will do to stop current bots anyway, but it’s also not the worst thing in the world.

[TheOutlawXanadu]

According to this article, 25% of Twitter users are responsible for 97% of all tweets: https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/new-study-shows-that-25-of-twitter-users-produce-97-of-all-tweets/610146/

Based on that, you'd expect something like 75% of Twitter users to not be interested in the $1 subscription fee at all. The question then becomes: How many of that 25% want to keep tweeting and pay up?

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

i had already stopped using twitter but paying to post on a nazi hellscape site is absolutely not something i am willing to do. fuck elon musk

[Stadler]

i had already stopped using twitter but paying to post on a nazi hellscape site is absolutely not something i am willing to do. fuck elon musk

What does that mean?  I mean that sincerely, as in, what leads you to call it that?  I've complained numerous times about being bombarded by ideological propaganda, mostly from the left, but I can honestly say, I don't think I've ever been presented with anything resembling "Nazi" propaganda.

[cramx3]

I can't recall seeing anything pro nazi on twitter.  I'm sure there's been instances of it though and I'm sure Elons takeover has allowed more instances, but generally, calling twitter a nazi hellscape seems completely wrong.

[lonestar]

I don't see any political shit on my feed at all, it's all glorious female Japanese metal musicians and a few of you assholes.

[HOF]

i had already stopped using twitter but paying to post on a nazi hellscape site is absolutely not something i am willing to do. fuck elon musk

What does that mean?  I mean that sincerely, as in, what leads you to call it that?  I've complained numerous times about being bombarded by ideological propaganda, mostly from the left, but I can honestly say, I don't think I've ever been presented with anything resembling "Nazi" propaganda.

I’m a heavy Twitter user and have never encountered a “nazi” tweet that wasn’t retweeted into my timeline by someone pointing it out. Have had some rude or inappropriate people tweet at me, but they are easily blocked/muted. The experience on Twitter is generally what you make it, though I imagine if you are following certain topics more closely maybe you run into more nazis or something.

Now porn bots have increased of late (they used to be way worse), but the content filter blocks most of them for me.

[HOF]

According to this article, 25% of Twitter users are responsible for 97% of all tweets: https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/new-study-shows-that-25-of-twitter-users-produce-97-of-all-tweets/610146/

Based on that, you'd expect something like 75% of Twitter users to not be interested in the $1 subscription fee at all. The question then becomes: How many of that 25% want to keep tweeting and pay up?

I guess if all you want to do is read other people’s tweets you can still do that without paying.

[orcus116]

i had already stopped using twitter but paying to post on a nazi hellscape site is absolutely not something i am willing to do. fuck elon musk

What does that mean?  I mean that sincerely, as in, what leads you to call it that?  I've complained numerous times about being bombarded by ideological propaganda, mostly from the left, but I can honestly say, I don't think I've ever been presented with anything resembling "Nazi" propaganda.

I’m a heavy Twitter user and have never encountered a “nazi” tweet that wasn’t retweeted into my timeline by someone pointing it out. Have had some rude or inappropriate people tweet at me, but they are easily blocked/muted. The experience on Twitter is generally what you make it, though I imagine if you are following certain topics more closely maybe you run into more nazis or something.

The terms "nazi" and "facist" have been bandied about so much over the last several years the terms have not only lost teeth but seemingly any meaning behind them whatsoever. They seem to just be catchall terms to "other" someone you don't agree with without actually really engaging with them.

[Stadler]

i had already stopped using twitter but paying to post on a nazi hellscape site is absolutely not something i am willing to do. fuck elon musk

What does that mean?  I mean that sincerely, as in, what leads you to call it that?  I've complained numerous times about being bombarded by ideological propaganda, mostly from the left, but I can honestly say, I don't think I've ever been presented with anything resembling "Nazi" propaganda.

I’m a heavy Twitter user and have never encountered a “nazi” tweet that wasn’t retweeted into my timeline by someone pointing it out. Have had some rude or inappropriate people tweet at me, but they are easily blocked/muted. The experience on Twitter is generally what you make it, though I imagine if you are following certain topics more closely maybe you run into more nazis or something.

The terms "nazi" and "facist" have been bandied about so much over the last several years the terms have not only lost teeth but seemingly any meaning behind them whatsoever. They seem to just be catchall terms to "other" someone you don't agree with without actually really engaging with them.

That's no doubt true - I agree 100% - but they still carry a stink that outweighs any real probative value.  There are people that still love to use those labels in order to "get one over" on those they disagree with. 

[jammindude]

The term “Nazi” in modern day has basically just come to mean any act of extremism whatsoever.   You need only to look at one of Seinfeld’s most famous episodes about the “soup nazi”

[Stadler]

The term “Nazi” in modern day has basically just come to mean any act of extremism whatsoever.   You need only to look at one of Seinfeld’s most famous episodes about the “soup nazi”

It's still primarily the go-to of the left though. Not that most of them know what real fascism is, but still, it's usually meant to point rightward.  No one is really calling Ocasio-Cortez or the Squad Nazi's, despite their extremism.

[XJDenton]

 Maybe we can also stop calling views that are, by any objective measure, moderately left of center at worst, "Extremism", since we are on a "use less hyperbole" roll?

[jammindude]

The term “Nazi” in modern day has basically just come to mean any act of extremism whatsoever.   You need only to look at one of Seinfeld’s most famous episodes about the “soup nazi”

It's still primarily the go-to of the left though. Not that most of them know what real fascism is, but still, it's usually meant to point rightward.  No one is really calling Ocasio-Cortez or the Squad Nazi's, despite their extremism.

I’m really going to push back on this. I have a lot of in laws who are right wing (a couple of them are extremists) and while I might not hear the exact term “Nazi”, I do oftentimes hear “tyrannical”, “terrorists”, and sometimes even the observation that they are being called “nazi’s” while claiming their opponents are actually closer to Nazi-ism in their policies.  So I see absolutely no difference between the two sides at all.

[Stadler]

Maybe we can also stop calling views that are, by any objective measure, moderately left of center at worst, "Extremism", since we are on a "use less hyperbole" roll?

I will if you (collective) will.   Anything to the right of Biden is automatically "EXTREMISM" (and Naziism, and fascism, and....) here and in many places, so fair is fair.  And let's not pretend that the Squad or Ocasio-Cortez are "moderately left of center".  Maybe in relation to other schemes across the globe, but again, under that scenario Trump is "moderately right of center" compared to, say, other schemes across the globe.

[XJDenton]

Also:

*taps the P/R sign*