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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #105 on: September 21, 2022, 06:37:48 AM »

Now onto the album, i can safely say that AVFTTOTW is one of their best of the latter years.
I hope they get back to writing with the same energy. I'm hopeful that they will collaborate with Andy Sneap on the mixing front, since this is one of their best sounding records in a very long time. (I can still hope for Kevin Shirley, but don't think it's possible).


Really? Even after Senjutsu?

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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #106 on: September 21, 2022, 06:49:53 AM »

Now onto the album, i can safely say that AVFTTOTW is one of their best of the latter years.
I hope they get back to writing with the same energy. I'm hopeful that they will collaborate with Andy Sneap on the mixing front, since this is one of their best sounding records in a very long time. (I can still hope for Kevin Shirley, but don't think it's possible).


Really? Even after Senjutsu?

Senjutsu sounds fine, but Kevin Shirley doesn't determine how Senjutsu sounds, Steve Harris does.
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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #107 on: September 21, 2022, 07:03:27 AM »

Now onto the album, i can safely say that AVFTTOTW is one of their best of the latter years.
I hope they get back to writing with the same energy. I'm hopeful that they will collaborate with Andy Sneap on the mixing front, since this is one of their best sounding records in a very long time. (I can still hope for Kevin Shirley, but don't think it's possible).


Really? Even after Senjutsu?

As DreamerTV said, Steve Harris is the one who makes decisions.
I still think the albums done with Kevin Shirley are among the best sounding in DT's catalog.

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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #108 on: September 21, 2022, 07:28:13 AM »
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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #109 on: September 21, 2022, 08:01:28 AM »

Now onto the album, i can safely say that AVFTTOTW is one of their best of the latter years.
I hope they get back to writing with the same energy. I'm hopeful that they will collaborate with Andy Sneap on the mixing front, since this is one of their best sounding records in a very long time. (I can still hope for Kevin Shirley, but don't think it's possible).


Really? Even after Senjutsu?

Senjutsu sounds fine, but Kevin Shirley doesn't determine how Senjutsu sounds, Steve Harris does.

Yeah, what's the problem with Senjutsu?

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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #110 on: September 21, 2022, 08:31:24 AM »

Now onto the album, i can safely say that AVFTTOTW is one of their best of the latter years.
I hope they get back to writing with the same energy. I'm hopeful that they will collaborate with Andy Sneap on the mixing front, since this is one of their best sounding records in a very long time. (I can still hope for Kevin Shirley, but don't think it's possible).


Really? Even after Senjutsu?

I still think the albums done with Kevin Shirley are among the best sounding in DT's catalog.

While i do agree with that (being FII probably their best sounding album), i've found Senjutsu muddy as hell with a general lack of punchiness. And it's a shame as i reeeeally like the album. I know it's Steve Harris who has the final word, but so has been also for previous albums and the result to me is quite different. 

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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #111 on: September 21, 2022, 09:23:50 AM »
It's always Steve's call.

You actually have to give Shirley credit as he has been there for this entire Reunion Era run of incredible albums. They are obviously comfortable with him and for whatever reason they have delivered.
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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #112 on: September 21, 2022, 11:11:37 AM »
Someone on reddit brought up the idea of one 75 minute song, no split tracks.  Maybe not THAT long, but I'd be cool with 60-70.  But then the FLAC size...
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« Reply #113 on: September 21, 2022, 11:26:39 AM »
Someone on reddit brought up the idea of one 75 minute song, no split tracks.  Maybe not THAT long, but I'd be cool with 60-70.

I'd be down for that :metal

A second, bonus, disc could include a few short songs as well.
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #114 on: September 21, 2022, 12:53:15 PM »
Someone on reddit brought up the idea of one 75 minute song, no split tracks.  Maybe not THAT long, but I'd be cool with 60-70.  But then the FLAC size...
If that's what they felt led to do, I would be all for it.

However, having just won a Grammy, I would be surprised if the next album wasn't at least a little more accessible (like FII, 8VM, or even DoT) to try to capitalize on the win.  Or maybe that's me being a little cynical.
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« Reply #115 on: September 21, 2022, 02:17:08 PM »
Sound on the last 2 albums has been stellar.


As long as they are passionate about the subject matter the songs will be full of emotion and will resonate. I think this is the key for the next album. Make songs about subjects you care about.

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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #116 on: September 21, 2022, 02:35:18 PM »
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.
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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #117 on: September 21, 2022, 03:55:36 PM »

Now onto the album, i can safely say that AVFTTOTW is one of their best of the latter years.
I hope they get back to writing with the same energy. I'm hopeful that they will collaborate with Andy Sneap on the mixing front, since this is one of their best sounding records in a very long time. (I can still hope for Kevin Shirley, but don't think it's possible).


Really? Even after Senjutsu?

I still think the albums done with Kevin Shirley are among the best sounding in DT's catalog.

While i do agree with that (being FII probably their best sounding album), i've found Senjutsu muddy as hell with a general lack of punchiness. And it's a shame as i reeeeally like the album. I know it's Steve Harris who has the final word, but so has been also for previous albums and the result to me is quite different.

Senjutsu is the best sounding album since BNW IMO.
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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #118 on: September 21, 2022, 03:56:04 PM »
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

Yeah.....nah.....
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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #119 on: September 21, 2022, 06:24:26 PM »
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

Not sure where you landed on the latest James LaBrie album, but as someone who also has long clamored for an acoustic album, it pretty much exceeded any and all expectations (I'm still giving it regular listens)

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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #120 on: September 21, 2022, 06:27:33 PM »
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

Not sure where you landed on the latest James LaBrie album, but as someone who also has long clamored for an acoustic album, it pretty much exceeded any and all expectations (I'm still giving it regular listens)

Thank you for the reminder. I didn't buy it right away, and I kind of forgot about it. Yes, I need to give it some attention.
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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #121 on: September 21, 2022, 07:20:31 PM »
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

I wouldn’t be uo for this as the main album, but I’d definitely love to see this as a bonus in a deluxe version. Don’t get me wrong, the instrumentals are cool, but it seems like everyone’s doing that. Would be awesome if they just took some of the new songs, maybe some old songs too, and just rearrange them into a style reminiscent of Beautiful Shade of Grey.
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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #122 on: September 21, 2022, 07:24:52 PM »
Or they could release one of the Christmas '98 shows on LNF.
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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #123 on: September 22, 2022, 02:09:53 AM »
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

It would be a nice idea for a bonus disc for the next album.

An EP of six songs - two of the new album rearranged in acoustic, two old songs done in acoustic, and two covers or additional new acoustic tracks not present on the new album, something like that.
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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #124 on: September 22, 2022, 07:35:34 AM »
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.
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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #125 on: September 22, 2022, 08:20:38 AM »
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

John Petrucci mentioned in a recent video that he's gotten into gypsy jazz over the last few years and that it's really opened his mind up to a new style of playing that he never really cared about before. I really hope we see some of that shine through and something he does at one point or another whether it's Dream Theater or something else. I can't see Dream Theater really changing their core sound at this point, but I think there is hope to hear JP really break out of the Rock and metal mode for something completely different one day.

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« Reply #126 on: September 22, 2022, 09:07:47 AM »
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

John Petrucci mentioned in a recent video that he's gotten into gypsy jazz over the last few years and that it's really opened his mind up to a new style of playing that he never really cared about before. I really hope we see some of that shine through and something he does at one point or another whether it's Dream Theater or something else. I can't see Dream Theater really changing their core sound at this point, but I think there is hope to hear JP really break out of the Rock and metal mode for something completely different one day.

Something that I've been missing from JP's playing is the ocasional complex acoustic guitar solo, something like we see on LTL, Octavarium, Another Dimension, most recently on Gemini... you get the idea. Love it when he does something like that.
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #127 on: September 22, 2022, 09:37:41 AM »
Last time they tried something different, The Astonishing happened and from what I can gather, many fans just turned their backs for good. The impact can still be felt in my opinion, both in the concert attendance and in the Billboard numbers. I love The Astonishing, by the way. But I have a feeling the band won't be rolling dice again.

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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #128 on: September 22, 2022, 09:43:34 AM »
An element that I have missed in DT is a dash of funk.  They never let it out very much (Take the Time and Lines in the Sand being the examples that come to mind), but it was tasty, and it's been a looooong time.
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« Reply #129 on: September 22, 2022, 10:17:45 AM »
An element that I have missed in DT is a dash of funk.  They never let it out very much (Take the Time and Lines in the Sand being the examples that come to mind), but it was tasty, and it's been a looooong time.

This. I know not many care for FII, but it had such a cool atmospheric...funky sound.  Was it Sherinian that had something to do with that I wonder.

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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #130 on: September 22, 2022, 10:54:07 AM »
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

Not sure where you landed on the latest James LaBrie album, but as someone who also has long clamored for an acoustic album, it pretty much exceeded any and all expectations (I'm still giving it regular listens)

I totally forgot about it. I'll give it a listen in a couple minutes. Just finishing up another record.
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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #131 on: September 22, 2022, 11:02:25 AM »
Last time they tried something different, The Astonishing happened and from what I can gather, many fans just turned their backs for good.
I think it's one thing to try something different on one song or a few. But to do a whole double album that's outside their general wheelhouse is a whole other thing. Nevermind the Disney-esque campiness of it was a turn off for many. While I don't think the idea was completely wrong, the execution of it left a lot of it to be desired. That's why I think it was such a divisive album that turned a lot of fans off.
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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #132 on: September 22, 2022, 11:58:04 AM »
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

Not sure where you landed on the latest James LaBrie album, but as someone who also has long clamored for an acoustic album, it pretty much exceeded any and all expectations (I'm still giving it regular listens)

I totally forgot about it. I'll give it a listen in a couple minutes. Just finishing up another record.

Wait. The latest LaBrie album is acoustic?

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« Reply #133 on: September 22, 2022, 12:00:28 PM »
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

Not sure where you landed on the latest James LaBrie album, but as someone who also has long clamored for an acoustic album, it pretty much exceeded any and all expectations (I'm still giving it regular listens)

I totally forgot about it. I'll give it a listen in a couple minutes. Just finishing up another record.

Wait. The latest LaBrie album is acoustic?

Yeah, mostly. I listened at low volume, but it sounded that way. really enjoyed it. Going to listen again.
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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #134 on: September 22, 2022, 12:01:13 PM »
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

Not sure where you landed on the latest James LaBrie album, but as someone who also has long clamored for an acoustic album, it pretty much exceeded any and all expectations (I'm still giving it regular listens)

I totally forgot about it. I'll give it a listen in a couple minutes. Just finishing up another record.

Wait. The latest LaBrie album is acoustic?
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« Reply #135 on: September 22, 2022, 12:04:42 PM »
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« Reply #136 on: September 22, 2022, 12:06:21 PM »
It's pretty good.  I bet you like it. 
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« Reply #137 on: September 22, 2022, 12:20:35 PM »
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« Reply #138 on: September 22, 2022, 12:24:46 PM »
I still want DT to do an acoustic record. Totally unplugged. Acoustic guitar, piano, upright bass (just for the hell of it), and a simple drumkit.

I know it'll never happen, but I wish it would.

Not sure where you landed on the latest James LaBrie album, but as someone who also has long clamored for an acoustic album, it pretty much exceeded any and all expectations (I'm still giving it regular listens)

I totally forgot about it. I'll give it a listen in a couple minutes. Just finishing up another record.

Wait. The latest LaBrie album is acoustic?

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Re: Is it too early to speculate about DT16?
« Reply #139 on: September 22, 2022, 02:09:49 PM »
I've always wanted a live acoustic/unplugged album, especially for Silent Man.

The whole fanbase would squeal like a little girl at a full acoustic performance of ACOS.
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