Official Dream Theater studio albums countdown thread! (number 1 revealed!)

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TAC

Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Buddyhunter1 on April 22, 2023, 05:54:45 PMTAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

Deadeye21


RoeDent

Or, letsa give KevShmev the time and room to calculate all of this without burning out, then letsa go!

KevShmev


TAC

Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Buddyhunter1 on April 22, 2023, 05:54:45 PMTAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

Deadeye21

That's all good Kev, I submitted late in the game, sorry for holding it up.

Stadler


pg1067

Quote from: Stadler on September 21, 2022, 06:59:48 AM
Quote from: TAC on September 20, 2022, 07:34:24 PM


That would be me in the blue shirt, red shorts and knee high white socks.  Thank you very much.

That actually kinda looks like me at that age.   :lol

Ben_Jamin


KevShmev

Yep, this will start tomorrow, but a few fun facts from the start:

With 65 accepted lists total:
-Four of the 15 studio albums did not receive a single 1st place vote
-Six of the 15 studio albums did not receive a last place vote
-Five of the 15 studio albums finished at number 1 on at least one list and at last place on at least one list

Also, thanks again to everyone who participated and submitted a list I could use.  Only two were not accepted (because they were submitted without being numbered after I gave the final "warning" :P). 

TAC

Quote from: KevShmev on September 21, 2022, 07:40:27 PM

-Five of the 15 studio albums finished at number 1 on at least one list and at last place on at least one list



Wow!  :lol

DTF rules again!
Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Buddyhunter1 on April 22, 2023, 05:54:45 PMTAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

KevShmev

And away we go!

15 When Dream and Day Unite

Number 1 finishes: 0
Last place finishes: 24
Average finish: 12.6


I can't say I am surprised to see this finish last, and by a comfortable margin, but I guess I was secretly hoping it would fare a little better.  I ranked it at 10, as I think the songwriting is pretty darn good considering how young they were when they wrote and recorded it, and the skills of all four instrumentalists were already top notch.  The raw production and lack of James do not help its cause, which I get, but I still think it is a good debut album.

Top 5 songs from me from the album:
1 Light Fuse and Get Away
2 Only a Matter of Time
3 A Fortune in Lies
4 Ytse Jam
5 The Killing Hand
(tough to leave off Afterlife)

Mladen

Here we go!

:corn

This one was in my bottom three, due to the production and some songs being rather cute for a young band trying to push boundaries. And yet, it's still a good album. Afterlife, A Fortune in lies and Only a matter of time are fantastic songs.  :metal

ReaperKK

Not surprising this is last but it's always felt off to be ranked so low. Don't get me wrong I put this at #14 on my list but it's not a bad album. It just doesn't have any songs that really make me go wow, plus the production really ages it.

Wim Kruithof

Was afraid this one should finish last as well. It is in some way their finest, due to it being a debute and their entrance into prog. Lyrically great also, allthough I can't seem to help the thought that they wrote The One Who Helped To Set the Sun, on a bad (drug)trip. Cannot follow that type of lyrics. My top 5:

- The Killing Hand (one of Dream Theaters best of all)
- Ytse Jam
- A Fortune in Lies
- Status Seeker
- Only a Matter of Time


nobloodyname

Number 13 for me. It's a good album, though. Love Afterlife and not just because you can see me jumping and down like an absolute loon just before they played it at the Score show.

Deadeye21

When Dream and Day Unite
My rank: 13th of 15


Top 5:
Only A Matter of Time
Afterlife
A Fortune in Lies
Killing Hand
YtseJam

devieira73

When Dream and Day Unite: #15 (same ranking to me); grade: 7.0/10

Top 3 songs: A Fortune in Lies/The Ytse Jam/Light Fuse and Get Away   
Less good song: Afterlife

I don't think DT has released a bad album, my personal ranking and grade are due just because DT has an incredible discography. It's a great debut and it was the true beginning for modern prog metal.

wolfking


Dream Team

Figured it was inevitable, but I really like this album a lot. Every song has great melodies, riffs, drumming, and Myung's best bass playing. Hard to believe it's 15th when Systematic Chaos exists (or for me, FII). Don't have my list in front of me but I believe I had it 8th or 9th.

hefdaddy42


SwedishGoose

Had this at number 13. Yeah  it's not a bad album but at the same time the production and lack of LaBrie brings it down.

Reminds me that I should watch the When Dream & Day Reunite DVD...

Adami

Had this at number 12. Not at all shocked to see it at last, but I still think it has some great moments that trump my 13-15.
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Deadeye21


ReaperKK

Quote from: Dream Team on September 22, 2022, 06:18:07 AM
Figured it was inevitable, but I really like this album a lot. Every song has great melodies, riffs, drumming, and Myung's best bass playing. Hard to believe it's 15th when Systematic Chaos exists (or for me, FII). Don't have my list in front of me but I believe I had it 8th or 9th.

I forgot to mention Myung but I agree, some of his best playing is on this album.

Stadler

Quote from: Adami on September 22, 2022, 06:40:44 AM
Had this at number 12. Not at all shocked to see it at last, but I still think it has some great moments that trump my 13-15.

Can we keep politics out of this?  :) :) :) :) :)

I had this firmly at #15.  The album isn't awful, and Charlie's not a bad singer, but he's not James LaBrie, and considering James is a big reason that I got into (and stayed into) DT in the first place, it's fatal to WDADU being higher on the list.

Adami

Quote from: Stadler on September 22, 2022, 07:12:25 AM
Quote from: Adami on September 22, 2022, 06:40:44 AM
Had this at number 12. Not at all shocked to see it at last, but I still think it has some great moments that trump my 13-15.

Can we keep politics out of this?  :) :) :) :) :)

I bet you were just biden your time to post that, weren't you?

Deplorable.
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Shalev Amir

Finished last for me too. Bad production and I'm not a fan of any of the songs here, except for The Killing Hand which is top shelf DT.
Quote from: ReaperKK on September 22, 2022, 07:04:50 AM
Quote from: Dream Team on September 22, 2022, 06:18:07 AM
Figured it was inevitable, but I really like this album a lot. Every song has great melodies, riffs, drumming, and Myung's best bass playing. Hard to believe it's 15th when Systematic Chaos exists (or for me, FII). Don't have my list in front of me but I believe I had it 8th or 9th.

I forgot to mention Myung but I agree, some of his best playing is on this album.
Forgot too  ;D.

Cool Chris

If this had been my first experience with DT instead of I&W, I imagine I'd rank it differently. But falling in love with I&W, and then Awake, and then years later discovering this consigns it to 15th.

T-ski

Well, I respectfully disagree.

Had it at #9. Sure it's not polished but there are some moments where you can hear what was to come.

Stadler

Quote from: Cool Chris on September 22, 2022, 07:19:40 AM
If this had been my first experience with DT instead of I&W, I imagine I'd rank it differently. But falling in love with I&W, and then Awake, and then years later discovering this consigns it to 15th.

That's a great point; I think that's a part of it for me as well.

Adami

I guess I also try to look at it in context. Is the production good? Nah. But is it good for a bunch of kids in their early 20's (Minus Charlie) on a shoestring budget? Yup!

Is the song writing good? Mostly. Is it good for a bunch of teenagers/kids who can barely drink (minus Charlie)? Yup! So that tends to put it higher for me than some of their recent albums that I can't find any excuses for.
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pg1067

Yeah...I guess I'm not surprised.  My album rankings:

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9. When Dream and Day Reunite
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.

Yup.  I ranked WDADU, warts and all, ahead of six other albums.  I sometimes wonder how I'd have received this album had I found it before hearing PMU and I&W.  I know it gets a lot of flack for production, but it's probably the best mixed DT album as far as Myung is concerned, and that's important to me.  He's often inaudible on the most recent albums.  My top 3 songs:

1. The Killing Hand
2. Only a Matter of Time
3. Ytse Jam

geeeemo

I'm one that has it last. I do think, like others have mentioned, where you come into Dream Theater on the timeline of their catalog can affect your preferences. I prefer the more modern DT as opposed to the beginning DT. For me there sound was solidified with Scenes.

I have tried to like this record. And Charlie is just not good to listen to, so I listen to the other recordings with JLB. Even then, the vocal melodies to me are not good at all.  There are some fantastic musical parts, for a moment or a few minutes in a song. I don't have a ranking for the songs, but AFiL, YtseJam, Afterlife are ones that I remember that have parts that I like. I am sure there are some in the other songs as well, but I don't know them well enough to say.