425's Roulette v5: Short break

[wolfking]

Yep, breaking any rules in a roulette here is a paddlin'.

[Crow]

yeah i think that there was one set of the songsi sent i had to swap out for a shorter song to be under the cutoff but all my submissions ended up being three songs ranging from like 10-14 minute or so which is some nice symmetry

15 is plenty tho, with 18 people in that's like... up to four and a half hours of music 

[425]

Let's see how 15 goes. I know it can be kind of a funny number to hit, but I wanted to have a set up for multiple songs while not getting too excessive, for reasons Cyril stated pretty well. I do want to hear feedback on how people are finding it, though.

For what it's worth, I don't think it's worth thinking about it as "wasted minutes" if you send 12 or 13 minutes of music rather than, like 14:50. I can't imagine the the difference in length would even begin to be a factor until you get to the point of submissions that are under 9-10 minutes. I'd definitely rather you send 12 minutes of your best material than 14:50 of second-tier stuff.

[LithoJazzoSphere]

Yeah, it's not so much about material that's "second-tier', just that there's an argument that people perceive quality so very differently, that 14:50 of material I'd rate a 95 might have a better chance of someone else liking it than 13:10 of material I'd rate a 99, just by sheer chance and volume.  Most of the bands I'm considering for me have so much strong material that I could easily send many different sets, and it's agonizing leaving things off, for the same reasons any top 10 list or such is painful.  It all sort of depends upon the vibe of a band and the qualities you say you like in music, and somewhat tailoring recommendations based on that.  Songs tend to have a particular unique feel to them, so sometimes to a point more can be better for a diversification strategy, but then you may be spreading things too thin, particularly since I don't recall if you've mentioned how many times you'll play each set of selections (that may be unplanned or might vary for you).  As may be evident in this thread alone, or if you haven't noticed from other posts I've made in other threads in the past, I'm prone to overthinking things.  But I'll just play it by ear and see how the early rounds go. 

[wolfking]

Yeah, it's not so much about material that's "second-tier', just that there's an argument that people perceive quality so very differently, that 14:50 of material I'd rate a 95 might have a better chance of someone else liking it than 13:10 of material I'd rate a 99, just by sheer chance and volume.  Most of the bands I'm considering for me have so much strong material that I could easily send many different sets, and it's agonizing leaving things off, for the same reasons any top 10 list or such is painful.  It all sort of depends upon the vibe of a band and the qualities you say you like in music, and somewhat tailoring recommendations based on that.  Songs tend to have a particular unique feel to them, so sometimes to a point more can be better for a diversification strategy, but then you may be spreading things too thin, particularly since I don't recall if you've mentioned how many times you'll play each set of selections (that may be unplanned or might vary for you).  As may be evident in this thread alone, or if you haven't noticed from other posts I've made in other threads in the past, I'm prone to overthinking things.  But I'll just play it by ear and see how the early rounds go.

Halfway through reading this post I already had this response in my head;

Dude, I think you're overthinking this.

[Elite]

Pool C:
Elite
Buddyhunter1
HOF

Bring it on!! I’m up against harsh noise and The Blue Nile. I’ll do my best!

(sorry, Pools A and C)

Now hang on a minute

[ReaperKK]

Round 1 sent!

[425]

Yeah, it's not so much about material that's "second-tier', just that there's an argument that people perceive quality so very differently, that 14:50 of material I'd rate a 95 might have a better chance of someone else liking it than 13:10 of material I'd rate a 99, just by sheer chance and volume.  Most of the bands I'm considering for me have so much strong material that I could easily send many different sets, and it's agonizing leaving things off, for the same reasons any top 10 list or such is painful.  It all sort of depends upon the vibe of a band and the qualities you say you like in music, and somewhat tailoring recommendations based on that.  Songs tend to have a particular unique feel to them, so sometimes to a point more can be better for a diversification strategy, but then you may be spreading things too thin, particularly since I don't recall if you've mentioned how many times you'll play each set of selections (that may be unplanned or might vary for you).  As may be evident in this thread alone, or if you haven't noticed from other posts I've made in other threads in the past, I'm prone to overthinking things.  But I'll just play it by ear and see how the early rounds go.

I think this might be a case of overthinking, yeah, but I do understand where you're coming from. But part of the challenge of roulettes is precisely that you don't know what the host will like. I think that's even true for the people here who know each other's tastes pretty well—they can have a pretty good idea, but still be surprised sometimes. My approach when I'm a participant is to think of it as sending something I want them to hear from the artist in question, without putting the pressure of "is this the best possible selection" on it.

To answer your procedural question, I plan to listen to every submission three times, but I may do a fourth if I have a hard time choosing between two in a particular case.

(sorry, Pools A and C)

Now hang on a minute

Was it mean of me to write that? Yes. Do I currently have 17 of 18 submissions for round 1? Also yes.

[twosuitsluke]

My approach with the 15 minute time limit is to try to send songs that cover the different sounds a band may have. For my first submission that was super hard.

[Buddyhunter1]

Pool C:
Elite
Buddyhunter1
HOF

Bring it on!! I’m up against harsh noise and The Blue Nile. I’ll do my best!

Harsh noise? I'm not Sacul.

[Lonk]

I think 15 mins is fine. There were a few combination of songs I wanted to send but it went over by a few seconds. I ended up sending 2 songs worth 11 minutes of music I think.

Maybe allow people to send more than 15 mins, but penalize it  -1 point for every 30 seconds over 15 mins.

[Sacul]

Pool C:
Elite
Buddyhunter1
HOF

Bring it on!! I’m up against harsh noise and The Blue Nile. I’ll do my best!

Harsh noise? I'm not Sacul.

...yet

[Crow]

Give me the D

[425]

I can only give you the E for "Elite hasn't sent yet."

[Crow]

[romdrums]

I can only give you the E for "Elite hasn't sent yet."

We need to change his screen name to E-late. 

[King Postwhore]

E-gads.

[LithoJazzoSphere]

But part of the challenge of roulettes is precisely that you don't know what the host will like. I think that's even true for the people here who know each other's tastes pretty well—they can have a pretty good idea, but still be surprised sometimes.

Well, theoretically we each know our own tastes far better than anyone else (not to say we sometimes don't have blind spots that others might notice better than we do), but I imagine everyone is at least somewhat regularly disappointed by things they think they might enjoy, or serendipitously surprised by things they didn't expect to like. 

[King Postwhore]

Sometimes,  the host is open for something different. But you have to figure that out.

[TAC]

Thanks Jack Handy.

[King Postwhore]

Thanks Jack Handy.

We all need a Jack Handy in our lives. Ask Geddy.

[Stadler]

Thanks Jack Handy.

We all need a Jack Handy in our lives. Ask Geddy.

Nothing beats a good handy now and again. 

[425]

Here's the E for "Everyone is in."

What do we think about weekend hangmanen? I'm game to post it today or wait for a weekday (although Monday is part of the long weekend in the U.S.).

[twosuitsluke]

These junkies need their fix

[soupytwist]

My body is ready.
Do it!

[Crow]

today!!!

[TAC]

today!!!

[Sacul]

now !!!

[LithoJazzoSphere]

Been ready for days. 

[Elite]

[425]

Sorry, got caught up in some housework. Here it is, complete with Cyril's D.


____ _____d __d ___ _____d _____d - _____ ____ / _______ ________ / ____ ___ _
D_______ - ______ ____ / _______d / _______
____ - ______ ____d / ____ __ ___ ____
______ - ______d_ / __d ____
_________ - ___d____ / _______ / ____ _______
____ - ________ __ _ D______ ____d / __________d / ____d_ ____ ___
____ _______ - ______ _____ / _______
____ ______ ____ - ___ _________ / ____ / ________d_
____ D_____ - ______ ___ / ____ __ _______
D__d ______ ______ - ___ ____ / ____ __ D___d_ / ____ __ ___ _______
___ ______d - ________ / ___ __d ___ ____
________ - _____ _ _____ / _______/_______ / ___ ___ __ D____
_____ _____ _______ - _______ / __ ___ ___ ______ _______
___ ________ - __ ______ / ___ _____ ___d_____
___ _______ - ____ _____ / _______ ______ / __ ___ ___ _____d_
_____ ______ - ____ __d __ D__d / ____ ___
_____ D___ - ____d / _____ __ _____d / ____d__ ______
________ ____d_ - ____ / ______ ____ / ________

[King Postwhore]

His D is everywhere.

I'll take an Rrrrrrr. 

[wolfking]

Dead Letter Circus - One Step/Here We Divide/Cage.

[TAC]

T

[425]

Dead Letter Circus - One Step/Here We Divide/Cage.

I didn't know "Cage" was four words totaling 13 letters. 

One Step is also wrong, but Here We Divide is correct.


____ ____rd __d T__ ____rd ____rd - R___t _t__ / _____t_ ____t___ / ____ ___ _
D__t____ - ___r__ __t_ / __t____d / _______
T_t_ - __tt_r __r_d / ____ t_ t__ ____
__t___ - __t_t_d_ / __d ____
__t_t____ - ___d____ / ______r / ____ ___t___
____ - ________ __ _ D__t__t _r__d / ___rt_r___d / ____d_ ___r __r
____ _r_____ - ______ _____ / ___t___
____ __r__r __r_ - T__ _r___t__t / ____ / _r______d_
___t D_____ - _____t _r_ / R___ __ _______
Dead Letter Circus - T__ ____ / Here We Divide / T___ __ T__ __r____
___ ______d - ________ / ___ __d T__ ____
___r____ - _____ _ Tr___ / _______/_______ / ___ __t T_ Dr___
_____ _____ ____r__ - _______ / __ _r_ T__ _r___t __r__r_
T__ ____r___ - __ ____t_ / T__ __r__ ___d_____
T__ _____r_ - ___t _____ / R______ __r___ / __ T__ __r __t__d_
_____ ___r__ - T___ __d __ D__d / __r_ ___
_____ D__t - ____d / _r___ __ __tr_d / _r__d__ ____t_
____r_t_ ____d_ - ____ / __tt__ ____ / ________

Letters used: D R T