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Re: Quiet quitting?
« Reply #350 on: January 17, 2023, 08:46:39 AM »
There's a much larger component, though, that is simply a misplaced sense of importance - hubris, one might say - and an unwillingness to accept the realities of an economic system that has an underlying order and set of inviolate rules.

And here's the crux. They are only inviolate to the dogmatic. ;)

No.  Cash in has to exceed cash out is not a dogmatic principle.   Supply and demand is not a dogmatic principle.  This is true, in principle, even in communist/socialist structures.  it may take on a different form, but resources are limited, and any endeavor that seeks to use more resources than it creates - and I'll include utility in that equation - is destined for failure.

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« Reply #351 on: January 17, 2023, 08:48:03 AM »
If I had a nickel for every time young people's legitimate concerns about (rising) economic inequality, lowered spending power and erosion of workplace rights were dismissed by a variant of "this is how the world works" I'd be able to afford the moon base and giant laser I would need to solve the problem permanently. :P
I personally believe that the game is rigged to the advantage of the ultra rich and that should be fixed to some extent. But I also accept that I can still have tremendous success with actually not that much effort if I play the game too. It has never been easier to be educated on how the financial system works and how to use it to your advantage.

While it's admirable to try and fix things and make things more equitable (and we should try to do something about the ultra wealthy pulling away from the rest of us at an alarming pace) focusing too much on how the game is rigged against you is a self fulfilling thing. If you think you can't win, you won't (generic you, not you specifically).

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« Reply #352 on: January 17, 2023, 08:53:10 AM »
Let's say that Uncle Sam decides to give every person in the country making less than $200K a year - $5K a month in universal income.

Unless I read this wrong, then those people would quit their jobs. and our society would crumble.

Re: Indiscriminate applying. If you are poor, you don't have the luxury to carefully cultivate your job search. You get to a point any job is better than no job, and the quicker the better.
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« Reply #353 on: January 17, 2023, 08:54:43 AM »
If I had a nickel for every time young people's legitimate concerns about (rising) economic inequality, lowered spending power and erosion of workplace rights were dismissed by a variant of "this is how the world works" I'd be able to afford the moon base and giant laser I would need to solve the problem permanently. :P
I personally believe that the game is rigged to the advantage of the ultra rich and that should be fixed to some extent. But I also accept that I can still have tremendous success with actually not that much effort if I play the game too. It has never been easier to be educated on how the financial system works and how to use it to your advantage.

While it's admirable to try and fix things and make things more equitable (and we should try to do something about the ultra wealthy pulling away from the rest of us at an alarming pace) focusing too much on how the game is rigged against you is a self fulfilling thing. If you think you can't win, you won't (generic you, not you specifically).

Why?  Why is that admirable?  The real solution here is to realize that it's not a zero sum game, and Jeff Bezos making more money in 10 minutes than you'll make in a lifetime doesn't take ONE DIME out of your pocket.  You maximize YOU.  YOU'RE the captain of your financial ship, not the billionaires or the government.

The "income equality" argument is really just feeding envy and jealousy, and promoting that feeling of insecurity I've been preaching about for years now. It's another way for the propagandists to create more in-groups and out-groups.  It's the main beef I have with Bernie Sanders and his ilk; I like Bernie as a man, but he's a politician; he's not interested in REALLY helping people.  If he was, he'd be spending his time teaching everyone to be Jeff Bezos, more or less.  But he's not, because that takes work, it's not immediate enough for our society today, and it doesn't generate votes.  It's more fun to be the victim.

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Re: Quiet quitting?
« Reply #354 on: January 17, 2023, 09:13:34 AM »


I'm in your corner on this; for a significant number of people, their lack of wealth/security is not on the income side of the equation. It's on the outflow side of the equation.   It's not a coincidence that the bankruptcy rate for lottery winners is several multiples higher than the general population.

I've written this before:  my college friend found an early Excel spreadsheet for his finances.  It had one input (his salary) and it had like four or five outputs - rent, car, gas, food, utilities.   Ask the kids today what theirs looks like:  cellphone, Spotify, Netflix, etc.  Yeah, they are low-dollar each, but it's a death by 1,000 cuts.



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Re: Quiet quitting?
« Reply #355 on: January 17, 2023, 09:20:31 AM »
Pretty poor article from Forbes  :lol like this is anything new.  I guess they are just putting a title to the idea of looking for a new job when you don't like your current one.  Similar to putting the title "quiet quitting" to something that has always existed.

So it's like Forbes using terminology of the times to target young adults with this article?
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« Reply #356 on: January 17, 2023, 09:24:10 AM »
Here's what I've always wondered:

Let's say that Uncle Sam decides to give every person in the country making less than $200K a year - $5K a month in universal income. And let's assume that prior to this program, 75% of this subset of people were in a constant cycle of debt due a multitude of various reasons. What % of this subset of people's lives would be changed for the better? Or would their shortcomings surrounding budgets, expenses, obligations, spending, etc. - all of which existed prior to the universal income and caused their issues in the first place - prevent them from digging out of a hole.

Basically I'm asking if they would piss away the $5K every month and still be in exactly the same boat.

BTW, this is in regards to equity. If every employer were mandated to pay the $5K a month to everybody instead of Uncle Sam, the results would be the same. I think you're either built and hard-wired to succeed and apply logic to your finances, or you're not.

I welcome all opposing pov's.

I'm in your corner on this; for a significant number of people, their lack of wealth/security is not on the income side of the equation. It's on the outflow side of the equation.   It's not a coincidence that the bankruptcy rate for lottery winners is several multiples higher than the general population.

I've written this before:  my college friend found an early Excel spreadsheet for his finances.  It had one input (his salary) and it had like four or five outputs - rent, car, gas, food, utilities.   Ask the kids today what theirs looks like:  cellphone, Spotify, Netflix, etc.  Yeah, they are low-dollar each, but it's a death by 1,000 cuts.

I was just about to post the other costs that became integral for how life works now. The internet isn't cheap either and most all things require an internet connection. Add to that the additional services and entertainment people are subscribed to now. Adding up the costs of all the things people pay for, it does add up.
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Re: Quiet quitting?
« Reply #357 on: January 17, 2023, 09:43:05 AM »


I'm in your corner on this; for a significant number of people, their lack of wealth/security is not on the income side of the equation. It's on the outflow side of the equation.   It's not a coincidence that the bankruptcy rate for lottery winners is several multiples higher than the general population.

I've written this before:  my college friend found an early Excel spreadsheet for his finances.  It had one input (his salary) and it had like four or five outputs - rent, car, gas, food, utilities.   Ask the kids today what theirs looks like:  cellphone, Spotify, Netflix, etc.  Yeah, they are low-dollar each, but it's a death by 1,000 cuts.



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Re: Quiet quitting?
« Reply #358 on: January 17, 2023, 10:45:06 AM »
Taylor stinks. No wonder the dang youth are so flim-flammy and with so many weird expectations about reality, when their biggest star is the type of person who pens a schmaltzy (and typically very petty) ballad every time one of her adult relationships goes south.  :biggrin:

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« Reply #359 on: January 17, 2023, 10:48:09 AM »
Taylor stinks. No wonder the dang youth are so flim-flammy and with so many weird expectations about reality, when their biggest star is the type of person who pens a schmaltzy (and typically very petty) ballad every time one of her adult relationships goes south.  :biggrin:
Sure.  But she looks good doing it.  :)

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« Reply #360 on: January 17, 2023, 10:56:49 AM »
Mischaracterizations about Ms. Swift aside (2014 was the last time she wrote a new song about an ex, but a negative narrative, like spelling, is fun :P), there probably is a lot to be said for younger celebrities, both from the acting and musical world, affecting the minds of younger folks these days especially when it comes to expectations, more so than in years past thanks to social media.

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« Reply #361 on: January 17, 2023, 11:22:53 AM »
I didn't comment on her looks. I said she stinks!
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« Reply #362 on: January 17, 2023, 11:25:21 AM »
I didn't comment on her looks. I said she stinks!
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Haha, I've never seen that before!  Great stuff.

If it matters, I imagine she smells like lavender and vanilla.  :)

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« Reply #363 on: January 17, 2023, 11:59:34 AM »
If I had a nickel for every time young people's legitimate concerns about (rising) economic inequality, lowered spending power and erosion of workplace rights were dismissed by a variant of "this is how the world works" I'd be able to afford the moon base and giant laser I would need to solve the problem permanently. :P
I personally believe that the game is rigged to the advantage of the ultra rich and that should be fixed to some extent. But I also accept that I can still have tremendous success with actually not that much effort if I play the game too. It has never been easier to be educated on how the financial system works and how to use it to your advantage.

While it's admirable to try and fix things and make things more equitable (and we should try to do something about the ultra wealthy pulling away from the rest of us at an alarming pace) focusing too much on how the game is rigged against you is a self fulfilling thing. If you think you can't win, you won't (generic you, not you specifically).

Why?  Why is that admirable?  The real solution here is to realize that it's not a zero sum game, and Jeff Bezos making more money in 10 minutes than you'll make in a lifetime doesn't take ONE DIME out of your pocket.  You maximize YOU.  YOU'RE the captain of your financial ship, not the billionaires or the government.

The "income equality" argument is really just feeding envy and jealousy, and promoting that feeling of insecurity I've been preaching about for years now. It's another way for the propagandists to create more in-groups and out-groups.  It's the main beef I have with Bernie Sanders and his ilk; I like Bernie as a man, but he's a politician; he's not interested in REALLY helping people.  If he was, he'd be spending his time teaching everyone to be Jeff Bezos, more or less.  But he's not, because that takes work, it's not immediate enough for our society today, and it doesn't generate votes.  It's more fun to be the victim.
I agree with you about it not being a zero sum game. I don't think wealth inequality is a problem for me or you as individuals since we can play the game and build wealth as well, though at a much smaller scale that the multi-billionaires. But I don't see much positive to us as a society having a handful of people controlling a huge portion of the wealth of our nation. I'm open to evidence that it's actually a good thing, though.

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« Reply #364 on: February 28, 2023, 06:15:56 AM »
So, I just learned a new term: Bare Minimum Mondays (Or BMM for short).

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/bare-minimum-monday-marks-latest-quiet-quitting-trend/story?id=97493760
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« Reply #365 on: February 28, 2023, 07:09:00 AM »
If I had a nickel for every time young people's legitimate concerns about (rising) economic inequality, lowered spending power and erosion of workplace rights were dismissed by a variant of "this is how the world works" I'd be able to afford the moon base and giant laser I would need to solve the problem permanently. :P
I personally believe that the game is rigged to the advantage of the ultra rich and that should be fixed to some extent. But I also accept that I can still have tremendous success with actually not that much effort if I play the game too. It has never been easier to be educated on how the financial system works and how to use it to your advantage.

While it's admirable to try and fix things and make things more equitable (and we should try to do something about the ultra wealthy pulling away from the rest of us at an alarming pace) focusing too much on how the game is rigged against you is a self fulfilling thing. If you think you can't win, you won't (generic you, not you specifically).

Why?  Why is that admirable?  The real solution here is to realize that it's not a zero sum game, and Jeff Bezos making more money in 10 minutes than you'll make in a lifetime doesn't take ONE DIME out of your pocket.  You maximize YOU.  YOU'RE the captain of your financial ship, not the billionaires or the government.

The "income equality" argument is really just feeding envy and jealousy, and promoting that feeling of insecurity I've been preaching about for years now. It's another way for the propagandists to create more in-groups and out-groups.  It's the main beef I have with Bernie Sanders and his ilk; I like Bernie as a man, but he's a politician; he's not interested in REALLY helping people.  If he was, he'd be spending his time teaching everyone to be Jeff Bezos, more or less.  But he's not, because that takes work, it's not immediate enough for our society today, and it doesn't generate votes.  It's more fun to be the victim.
I agree with you about it not being a zero sum game. I don't think wealth inequality is a problem for me or you as individuals since we can play the game and build wealth as well, though at a much smaller scale that the multi-billionaires. But I don't see much positive to us as a society having a handful of people controlling a huge portion of the wealth of our nation. I'm open to evidence that it's actually a good thing, though.

Sorry I missed this the first time; I don't think it's a matter of "good" or "bad".  It just is.

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« Reply #366 on: February 28, 2023, 10:26:46 AM »
So, I just learned a new term: Bare Minimum Mondays (Or BMM for short).

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/bare-minimum-monday-marks-latest-quiet-quitting-trend/story?id=97493760

Either I'm finally getting old and can't keep up with these new terms, or I swear news outlets make up catchy phrases for people to get mad at. I want it to be the latter, but seems it's the former. :lol

Édit: Or maybe it's both because apparently 145k views on TikTok counts as viral and report worthy now.

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« Reply #367 on: February 28, 2023, 10:28:10 AM »
So, I just learned a new term: Bare Minimum Mondays (Or BMM for short).

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/bare-minimum-monday-marks-latest-quiet-quitting-trend/story?id=97493760

I think "BMM" is an overcorrection, but I work in a company where Mondays are a madhouse. I gets people irritable at the start of the week and ruins the ability to get their bearings/set an agenda for the week ahead.

In our context there's some justification because we need to get last week's results together. But this does not justify the ever shifting explanations required to avoid political fallout.

There's also the problem of leadership coming in Monday with all the ideas they cooked up over the weekend and dumping them on the staff.

A better suggestion I think would be to keep Monday tasks consistent and treat it as a ramp in for the rest of the week.
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« Reply #368 on: February 28, 2023, 10:28:48 AM »
So, I just learned a new term: Bare Minimum Mondays (Or BMM for short).

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/bare-minimum-monday-marks-latest-quiet-quitting-trend/story?id=97493760

So another Euphemism for "Lazy Mondays"
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« Reply #369 on: February 28, 2023, 10:53:48 AM »
So, I just learned a new term: Bare Minimum Mondays (Or BMM for short).

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/bare-minimum-monday-marks-latest-quiet-quitting-trend/story?id=97493760
For whatever reason, I've always tried to come out strong on Monday. I kind of like that feeling of getting back to it after recharging over the weekend. However, I am pretty spent come Friday. :lol
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« Reply #370 on: February 28, 2023, 11:01:56 AM »
So, I just learned a new term: Bare Minimum Mondays (Or BMM for short).

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/bare-minimum-monday-marks-latest-quiet-quitting-trend/story?id=97493760

Not quoting you, Victor, just capturing the link...



I'm a student of communication, of phraseology.  This poster, in my opinion, betrays their own rationalization and resulting insecurity in their own words.  I love how they change the perspective from the first person - the only one they can reasonably speak to, and (on the other side of the coin) the only one that puts accountability and responsibility directly on them - to the third person, thus falsely implying a universality to the position and creating a false sense of acceptance of the stated position, while also abdicating any direct personal culpability for being a slacker.  I've actually talked about this with my therapist; to me that arbitrary application of the third person is a solid sign of insecurity and a way of feigning credibility for what doesn't otherwise merit it.

From the post:  "You'd make a to-do list that was way too long thinking you could over-achieve your way out of the stress -- but you never did," she said in the post. "You've always put more pressure on yourself than any boss, so you started to wonder why," she added. "You knew it was time for something new."

Would you make that list?  I never did that. Would you put more pressure on yourself than any boss?  Maybe, but why is that bad, first, and what's that got to do with the subject at hand?  Why I did it is because I'm the only one that can or should motivate me.  I SHOULD be striving to be the best my capacity allows me to be at any given time.   Don't try to make this more applicable than it really is: the US workforce is currently somewhere in the 165,000,000 people range.   145k people who "like" that post are not anywhere near a statistically meaningful representation of that set of people. 

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« Reply #371 on: February 28, 2023, 03:36:57 PM »
So, I just learned a new term: Bare Minimum Mondays (Or BMM for short).

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/bare-minimum-monday-marks-latest-quiet-quitting-trend/story?id=97493760

My organistation takes this to the extreme and just doesn't come in on Mondays for the majority.  They also have lazy Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays and Fridays.  It's doing great things for our organisation and productivity has skyrocketed.......
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« Reply #372 on: March 01, 2023, 01:59:31 PM »
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« Reply #373 on: March 01, 2023, 02:22:38 PM »
So, I just learned a new term: Bare Minimum Mondays (Or BMM for short).

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/bare-minimum-monday-marks-latest-quiet-quitting-trend/story?id=97493760

My organistation takes this to the extreme and just doesn't come in on Mondays for the majority.  They also have lazy Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays and Fridays.  It's doing great things for our organisation and productivity has skyrocketed.......

So you have a 4 day work week?

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« Reply #374 on: March 01, 2023, 02:25:29 PM »
Fun fact: If you worked 4 days a week rather than 5 (assuming an 8 hour day), over an average working life that's an extra 2.33 years of free time to do other stuff.
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« Reply #375 on: March 01, 2023, 02:27:43 PM »
We work 5 days, but only 5.5 hours on Friday, so a total of 37.5 for the week.
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« Reply #376 on: March 01, 2023, 02:29:06 PM »
Fun fact: If you worked 4 days a week rather than 5 (assuming an 8 hour day), over an average working life that's an extra 2.33 years of free time to do other stuff.

What the hell other stuff should you be doing? We are on this planet to work and be productive and if we HAPPEN to have any other time at all, we should be grateful. But asking for more than the minimum?

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« Reply #377 on: March 01, 2023, 02:36:36 PM »
Fun fact: If you worked 4 days a week rather than 5 (assuming an 8 hour day), over an average working life that's an extra 2.33 years of free time to do other stuff.

What the hell other stuff should you be doing? We are on this planet to work and be productive and if we HAPPEN to have any other time at all, we should be grateful. But asking for more than the minimum?

God damn commie!

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« Reply #378 on: March 01, 2023, 02:45:35 PM »
We work 5 days, but only 5.5 hours on Friday, so a total of 37.5 for the week.

That's actually really nice.

Fun fact: If you worked 4 days a week rather than 5 (assuming an 8 hour day), over an average working life that's an extra 2.33 years of free time to do other stuff.

That certainly would be nice.  One day maybe society will change to a 4 day work week.  Even 4 days at 10 hours, I'd rather do that than 5 by 8.   I didn't hate when I did 12 hour days 3/4 days a week, but it does make doing anything else on those days kind of difficult so I'd rather do 4 x 10.

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« Reply #379 on: March 01, 2023, 03:04:39 PM »
8 hrs/day is my limit.  It always has been.  I won't even work a 9/80 schedule cause if I wanted every other Friday off, I'd just take PTO since I earn 4.92 hrs/week and have 324 hrs banked.  4/10's completely out of the question.
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« Reply #380 on: March 01, 2023, 04:03:01 PM »
8 hrs/day is my limit.  It always has been.  I won't even work a 9/80 schedule cause if I wanted every other Friday off, I'd just take PTO since I earn 4.92 hrs/week and have 324 hrs banked.  4/10's completely out of the question.

I am with you on this. The mere idea of working a 10 hour day sends me into convulsions. I mean, most people where I work (State IT) are not head's down busy with work for 8hrs much less 10hrs.

We have long passed the need for a 5 day work week. BTW - I fully recognize this cannot apply to all jobs.

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« Reply #381 on: March 01, 2023, 05:20:19 PM »
So, I just learned a new term: Bare Minimum Mondays (Or BMM for short).

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/bare-minimum-monday-marks-latest-quiet-quitting-trend/story?id=97493760

My organistation takes this to the extreme and just doesn't come in on Mondays for the majority.  They also have lazy Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays and Fridays.  It's doing great things for our organisation and productivity has skyrocketed.......

So you have a 4 day work week?

I was slightly exaggerating but all full time employees (except me and a couple others as we are on a different award) get a 9 day fortnight.  The culture around the joint too like a lot of places I assume is to take sick days at will.
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Re: Quiet quitting?
« Reply #382 on: March 01, 2023, 05:23:38 PM »
8 hrs/day is my limit.  It always has been.  I won't even work a 9/80 schedule cause if I wanted every other Friday off, I'd just take PTO since I earn 4.92 hrs/week and have 324 hrs banked.  4/10's completely out of the question.

What does these mean mate?  Maybe I'm stupid or maybe it's an American thing?
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Re: Quiet quitting?
« Reply #383 on: March 01, 2023, 05:43:11 PM »
If I had a nickel for every time young people's legitimate concerns about (rising) economic inequality, lowered spending power and erosion of workplace rights were dismissed by a variant of "this is how the world works" I'd be able to afford the moon base and giant laser I would need to solve the problem permanently. :P
I personally believe that the game is rigged to the advantage of the ultra rich and that should be fixed to some extent. But I also accept that I can still have tremendous success with actually not that much effort if I play the game too. It has never been easier to be educated on how the financial system works and how to use it to your advantage.

While it's admirable to try and fix things and make things more equitable (and we should try to do something about the ultra wealthy pulling away from the rest of us at an alarming pace) focusing too much on how the game is rigged against you is a self fulfilling thing. If you think you can't win, you won't (generic you, not you specifically).

Why?  Why is that admirable?  The real solution here is to realize that it's not a zero sum game, and Jeff Bezos making more money in 10 minutes than you'll make in a lifetime doesn't take ONE DIME out of your pocket.  You maximize YOU.  YOU'RE the captain of your financial ship, not the billionaires or the government.

The "income equality" argument is really just feeding envy and jealousy, and promoting that feeling of insecurity I've been preaching about for years now. It's another way for the propagandists to create more in-groups and out-groups.  It's the main beef I have with Bernie Sanders and his ilk; I like Bernie as a man, but he's a politician; he's not interested in REALLY helping people.  If he was, he'd be spending his time teaching everyone to be Jeff Bezos, more or less.  But he's not, because that takes work, it's not immediate enough for our society today, and it doesn't generate votes.  It's more fun to be the victim.

I am not a Progressive but I do think Bernie is very motivated by strong desire to shrink the enormous wealth gap in the US. I think he is genuinely offended and disgusted by it - rightly or wrongly. I never voted for the guy because I don't think he would be able to govern effectively, but he has been remarkably consistent on this topic for decades, relatively speaking.

The reality is that not everyone can be Jeff Bezos. It's only a ultra thin slice of the population who will start a business that eventually becomes worth nearly a trillion dollars.

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Re: Quiet quitting?
« Reply #384 on: March 02, 2023, 07:17:21 AM »
If I had a nickel for every time young people's legitimate concerns about (rising) economic inequality, lowered spending power and erosion of workplace rights were dismissed by a variant of "this is how the world works" I'd be able to afford the moon base and giant laser I would need to solve the problem permanently. :P
I personally believe that the game is rigged to the advantage of the ultra rich and that should be fixed to some extent. But I also accept that I can still have tremendous success with actually not that much effort if I play the game too. It has never been easier to be educated on how the financial system works and how to use it to your advantage.

While it's admirable to try and fix things and make things more equitable (and we should try to do something about the ultra wealthy pulling away from the rest of us at an alarming pace) focusing too much on how the game is rigged against you is a self fulfilling thing. If you think you can't win, you won't (generic you, not you specifically).

Why?  Why is that admirable?  The real solution here is to realize that it's not a zero sum game, and Jeff Bezos making more money in 10 minutes than you'll make in a lifetime doesn't take ONE DIME out of your pocket.  You maximize YOU.  YOU'RE the captain of your financial ship, not the billionaires or the government.

The "income equality" argument is really just feeding envy and jealousy, and promoting that feeling of insecurity I've been preaching about for years now. It's another way for the propagandists to create more in-groups and out-groups.  It's the main beef I have with Bernie Sanders and his ilk; I like Bernie as a man, but he's a politician; he's not interested in REALLY helping people.  If he was, he'd be spending his time teaching everyone to be Jeff Bezos, more or less.  But he's not, because that takes work, it's not immediate enough for our society today, and it doesn't generate votes.  It's more fun to be the victim.

I am not a Progressive but I do think Bernie is very motivated by strong desire to shrink the enormous wealth gap in the US. I think he is genuinely offended and disgusted by it - rightly or wrongly. I never voted for the guy because I don't think he would be able to govern effectively, but he has been remarkably consistent on this topic for decades, relatively speaking.

The reality is that not everyone can be Jeff Bezos. It's only a ultra thin slice of the population who will start a business that eventually becomes worth nearly a trillion dollars.

edit - i did not mean to bold what got bolded

Look, I like Bernie as a person (as much as you can a public figure you've never met) but I have, in the past, called him an "economic fifth grader".  Harsh, I know, and I don't stand by that for other reasons, but that he's disgusted by it doesn't make it "bad" or legislatively actionable.

No, NOT everyone can be Jeff Bezos.  And that's okay.  We don't want or need everyone to be Jeff Bezos.  it's the unfortunate reality of a social construct; everyone is equal in terms of their... how shall we say it, "place"?   I'm trying not to use the word "rights" here.   But not everyone is equal in terms of their output or their outcome.  We all have our role in society.   Van Halen couldn't be if there were four Eddie Van Halen's, or four David Lee Roth's.  Michael Anthony was crucial specifically because he WASN'T Eddie V.

You can't replace an Eddie Van Halen. You can approximate, but there's a point at which the uniqueness is defining.  As good as I am at what I do - and I am - I came to the understanding long ago that I can be replaced in a fortnight.  Not everyone can do what I do, but I'm far from the only one that can do what I do.  And I'm paid accordingly.  Like it or not, there's not a company on the planet like Amazon; there never was, either. Jeff Bezos was not waiting around for "see him, be him" nonsense.  He is literally going where no man has gone before, in ways similar, but IMO beyond, what Gates and Jobs did back in the '80s.   Why that should arbitrarily mean his income should be capped at some multiple of the people loading boxes onto the trucks makes no sense in any context.