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Re: Puppies (Re)Discovery EP Roulette V.4 (Round 3 Result 2)
« Reply #1470 on: August 07, 2022, 05:34:20 PM »
Hey Pup, where do you stand on Nirvana?
The Hindu/Buddhist state of enlightenment or the band?

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Er...the band.


How about Nirvana with double bass?  :lol
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Re: Puppies' (Re)Discovery EP Roulette V.4 (Signups Open!)
« Reply #1471 on: August 07, 2022, 05:36:04 PM »
Congrats Ariich!

Well that was a fun roulette.

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Re: Puppies (Re)Discovery EP Roulette V.4 (Round 3 Result 3)
« Reply #1472 on: August 07, 2022, 05:50:52 PM »
Rich walking around like this right now. 

I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'.Ē - Bob Newhart
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Re: Puppies (Re)Discovery EP Roulette V.4 (Round 3 Result 3)
« Reply #1473 on: August 07, 2022, 05:52:20 PM »
excited to be last again  :corn

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Re: Puppies (Re)Discovery EP Roulette V.4 (Round 3 Result 3)
« Reply #1474 on: August 07, 2022, 06:01:20 PM »
excited to be last again  :corn
You actually won't be last this time.....unless you mean last place :biggrin:
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This is easily the biggest wtf moment I've ever had with you.  You might as well have asked who Andy Moog is. How is there any possible way you don't know who Norm Peterson is.  You're from Boston, ffs.

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Re: Puppies (Re)Discovery EP Roulette V.4 (Round 3 Result 3)
« Reply #1475 on: August 07, 2022, 06:05:31 PM »
yeah exactly  :metal

i have no clue how you're ordering these reveals to be fair

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« Reply #1476 on: August 07, 2022, 06:05:41 PM »
You bastard. :lol
I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'.Ē - Bob Newhart
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Re: Puppies (Re)Discovery EP Roulette V.4 (Round 3 Result 3)
« Reply #1477 on: August 07, 2022, 06:06:59 PM »
yeah exactly  :metal

i have no clue how you're ordering these reveals to be fair
Each round is completely random as far as the revealing of results. Just to keep you all guessing.
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I didn't recognize it. Who in the hell is Norm Peterson?
This is easily the biggest wtf moment I've ever had with you.  You might as well have asked who Andy Moog is. How is there any possible way you don't know who Norm Peterson is.  You're from Boston, ffs.

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Re: Puppies (Re)Discovery EP Roulette V.4 (Round 3 Result 3)
« Reply #1478 on: August 07, 2022, 06:33:53 PM »
excited to be last again  :corn
You actually won't be last this time.....unless you mean last place :biggrin:

Surely thatíd have to be mine, right?
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Re: Puppies (Re)Discovery EP Roulette V.4 (Round 3 Result 3)
« Reply #1479 on: August 07, 2022, 06:35:15 PM »
excited to be last again  :corn
You actually won't be last this time.....unless you mean last place :biggrin:

Surely thatíd have to be mine, right?

Well, it ain't gonna be Cyril.
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Re: Puppies (Re)Discovery EP Roulette V.4 (Round 3 Result 3)
« Reply #1480 on: August 07, 2022, 07:06:47 PM »
Well done Rich.
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Re: Puppies (Re)Discovery EP Roulette V.4 (Round 3 Result 3)
« Reply #1481 on: August 07, 2022, 08:24:14 PM »
Sent for round 4.
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« Reply #1482 on: August 07, 2022, 08:47:27 PM »


Deadeye - The Unlikely Tale of Fools and Heroes

Edguy - Nobody's Hero
Avenged Sevenfold - Hail to the King
Ayreon - Sail Away to Avalon
Anthrax - Medusa
Alter Bridge - Pawns & Kings
Trivium - The Phalanx
Disturbed - The Brave and the Bold

First Impression - Outside of a couple songs, this was actually more enjoyable than I was anticipating.

Alright, starting off with a band that Iíve seen touted around by various friends for some time, but never really got around to listening to, Edguy. This song Nobodyís Hero, is actually a good bit of fun. I still donít like Tobiasí vocals much. His vibrato is just plain annoying. Itís the same problem I have with his Avantasia project. Either way, the music here is fun and works well enough that I can mostly overlook the vocals and just enjoy the song for what it is. Next is the first of the two songs I was referring to in my first impression. A7Xís Hail to the King album was a big steaming turd in comparison to the rest of their albums. I believe a lot of the problem with the album and by extension this song is their choice of drummer for the album. I mean if they wanted someone to drum like Meg White, why not just get Meg White. At any rate, Iím fairly confident the drummer holds the band back from writing better songs. I mean how did the band have the audacity to follow up The Rev and Mike Portnoy with this guy? Itís almost insultingÖ.anyway I digress. Also the song is 5 minutes long and feels about 5 minutes too long :neverusethis:  Next up is Sail Away to Avalon and despite Cyrilís comment about the song earlier, I actually really like this song and the album itís from. I mean, I do find it kind of funny that Arjen got the guy from Golden Earring to do the vocals on this song. His vocals are quite out of place in music like this. The female vocals work much better in this song. Overall itís an enjoyable song for meÖ.maybe itís just nostalgia on my part, since when I first heard Ayreon back in 1999 this album and Into the Electric Castle were basically it. I mean, yeah Actual Fantasy was around, but I didnít listen to it back then. Anyway, moving on to Medusa. I actually like this Anthrax track much better than the one sent in the last round. I even kind of like Joey Belladonnaís vocals here, which is saying something since I mostly donít like him. I also like the driving rhythm of this song, itís kind of unique. Next we get to my favorite track on the EP, Pawns & Kings. Iíve always liked Alter Bridge, but I hadnít listened to this song yet. Probably because itís only available as a single right now and I donít really care to listen to singles, but Iím glad you sent it to me and forced me to listen :D Everything enjoyable about this band is still here in this song. I still think the combination of Myles Kennedy and Mark Tremonti is brilliant. They work well together musically/vocally. And oh man does that little instrumental breakdown in the middle hit hard! And of course Tremontiís great lead work. This track is kind of a roller coaster ride and I love it. The Phalanx is next and from another album that I have, but havenít gotten around to yet. It sounds like Trivium is back with more great metal though. I mean after a couple of dud albums, Vengeance Falls and Silence in the Snow, Iím glad their 2 albums after were good and this one seems like itís just as good. I think Matt Heafy has been learning a lot from as many people as possible over the last 5 years or so and really expanding his musical knowledge and itís really shown lately. Lastly we have the 2nd of the songs referred to in my first impression, The Brave and the Bold, however after multiple listens Iíve actually grown to enjoy the song a fair amount. It isnít a great song, mind you, but enjoyable. I just wish their vocalist would just stop with the stupid sounds he makes. He just canít help himself. Thereís a reason Down With the Sickness is a memeÖ.
Song Score - 7.4/10

As far as the story goes, I always enjoy a good mythological story. This one being the battle against Medusa works for me. Perhaps a bit light on content and a little bit confusing in parts, I do like the story of a nobody rising up to become the hero. Overall I think it works OK even though some of the lyrics donít quite fit. Not the best of your EP stories so far.
Story Score - 7/10 +1 for Bonus theme

Now the flow is actually fairly decent being that itís a Spotify playlist again. It seems you were trying to be careful with the songs to make sure they arenít too jarring back to back. Having said that, it could use a bit of help with some edits. Like the transition between Hail to the King and Sail Away to Avalon was a little harsh. Same could be said of the transition into Medusa. Just some small tweaks and this EP could have flowed almost perfectly. As it is, it doesnít.
Flow Score - 6/10

Overall Score - 21.4/30
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Re: Puppies (Re)Discovery EP Roulette V.4 (Round 3 Result 4)
« Reply #1483 on: August 07, 2022, 09:05:09 PM »


Deadeye - The Unlikely Tale of Fools and Heroes

Edguy - Nobody's Hero
Avenged Sevenfold - Hail to the King
Ayreon - Sail Away to Avalon
Anthrax - Medusa
Alter Bridge - Pawns & Kings
Trivium - The Phalanx
Disturbed - The Brave and the Bold

First Impression - Outside of a couple songs, this was actually more enjoyable than I was anticipating.

A7Xís Hail to the King album was a big steaming turd in comparison to the rest of their albums. I believe a lot of the problem with the album and by extension this song is their choice of drummer for the album. I mean if they wanted someone to drum like Meg White, why not just get Meg White. At any rate, Iím fairly confident the drummer holds the band back from writing better songs. I mean how did the band have the audacity to follow up The Rev and Mike Portnoy with this guy? Itís almost insultingÖ.

I mean, I agree for HTTK, but also he played on Carry On and Not Ready to Die, so thatís kind of a harsh statement to make. And now theyíve got Brooks Wackerman and heís actually doing a better job with Avenged than Portnoy and Portnoy set a pretty high bar.

21.4, yeah. To be fair, I went from not being able to put anything together at all to this, so Iím way ahead of where I thiught I was. Still better than Iím gonna get with my personal EP. Itís a shame I havenít got my recording software set up, coz Iíd rather just make my own EP for that one.
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« Reply #1484 on: August 08, 2022, 03:51:54 AM »
I'm not a big A7X fan but I thought that album was pretty good.
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Re: Puppies (Re)Discovery EP Roulette V.4 (Round 3 Result 4)
« Reply #1485 on: August 08, 2022, 05:58:56 AM »
I find it quite difficult to make an EP thatís personal to me without using some of the bands on the banned list. Is anybody else experiencing the same difficulties?
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« Reply #1486 on: August 08, 2022, 06:28:22 AM »
I find it quite difficult to make an EP thatís personal to me without using some of the bands on the banned list. Is anybody else experiencing the same difficulties?

Not really.
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« Reply #1487 on: August 08, 2022, 06:37:36 AM »
I'm just having difficulty with what story I want to tell

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« Reply #1488 on: August 08, 2022, 06:37:40 AM »
My initial thought was doing something along the lines of my own musical experiences, but that needs to have (parts of) Metallica, Iron Maiden, Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree etc. I guess I'll have to settle with a different idea.
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« Reply #1489 on: August 08, 2022, 07:54:20 AM »
Yay, glad you liked it so much! I put quite a lot of effort in so I'm glad it paid off.

That's fair enough about the reversing, and I appreciate you not really being punitive score-wise in recognition that it's a taste thing. Ultimately I knew it wouldn't have worked to jump straight back into "TIIIIME" from In the Wake of Evolution, it was just too sudden and out of the blue, so I needed some sort of build up as Azara got pulled back into the world. I thought the reversing effect worked great but completely understand it's not for everyone.

I'm delighted you liked the Drudkh intro though. I spent a disproportionate amount of time on it, but I think it paid off. :lol I knew World of the Void was my opener but I felt it jumped into the vocals too quickly so I wanted a short intro. So I literally worked my way through all the short tracks I had in my collection seeing what would work, and amazingly this one had exactly the same motif as the opening to World of the Void. Only problems were, the sound was quite different, plus it was in E while WotV is in F. So I pitch-shifted it up a semitone, and faded in and out some cellos (playing an F) to straddle across the two tracks. Totally worth it. :hat

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« Reply #1490 on: August 08, 2022, 02:51:45 PM »
Methinks I have the final tracklisting for the last round.  Now I just gots to clean up a few things with some edits (not diets!), and craft the story.
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Re: Puppies (Re)Discovery EP Roulette V.4 (Round 3 Result 4)
« Reply #1491 on: August 08, 2022, 07:24:06 PM »
Alright, I finally got home from work.....I'm going to eat dinner and then see how many of these results I can get out tonight.....I make no promises...
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I didn't recognize it. Who in the hell is Norm Peterson?
This is easily the biggest wtf moment I've ever had with you.  You might as well have asked who Andy Moog is. How is there any possible way you don't know who Norm Peterson is.  You're from Boston, ffs.

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« Reply #1492 on: August 08, 2022, 07:26:48 PM »
How many do you have left?
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« Reply #1493 on: August 08, 2022, 07:33:19 PM »
How many do you have left?
Uh, 5 I think.
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This is easily the biggest wtf moment I've ever had with you.  You might as well have asked who Andy Moog is. How is there any possible way you don't know who Norm Peterson is.  You're from Boston, ffs.

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« Reply #1494 on: August 08, 2022, 07:37:17 PM »
I have a question on the Concept Album. Do you want it as ONE single track? My story is told in two halves, and I've edited them separately, but I can still edit those together to make a single track if you prefer that.
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« Reply #1495 on: August 08, 2022, 08:00:24 PM »
I have a question on the Concept Album. Do you want it as ONE single track? My story is told in two halves, and I've edited them separately, but I can still edit those together to make a single track if you prefer that.
Doesn't have to be one single track. However you want to edit it together works for me.
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This is easily the biggest wtf moment I've ever had with you.  You might as well have asked who Andy Moog is. How is there any possible way you don't know who Norm Peterson is.  You're from Boston, ffs.

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« Reply #1496 on: August 08, 2022, 08:48:42 PM »
Guess Iíll see ĎĎem in the morning. East coast bedtime.
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« Reply #1497 on: August 08, 2022, 09:41:08 PM »
Can I make up some bs about a ďDeadeyeĒ character instead of the actual personal story? How many points is being personal actually worth here?
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« Reply #1498 on: August 08, 2022, 10:00:04 PM »
Can I make up some bs about a ďDeadeyeĒ character instead of the actual personal story? How many points is being personal actually worth here?

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This is easily the biggest wtf moment I've ever had with you.  You might as well have asked who Andy Moog is. How is there any possible way you don't know who Norm Peterson is.  You're from Boston, ffs.

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« Reply #1499 on: August 08, 2022, 10:09:35 PM »
I sing I have accidentally found on Spotify in looking for songs about my username. SOMEONE WROTE A SONG ABOUT US!

https://open.spotify.com/track/0x4ctlzLd1bhEiQuBSf36p?si=HbVJd9JNRdaxYLtSLy5LGA
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« Reply #1500 on: August 09, 2022, 12:08:50 AM »


Jingle - F#ck Cancer Part 1: Us

Poverty's No Crime / Spiral of Fear
Mystery / How Do You Feel?
Mattador / Tired
Thunderstone / Weak
Ostura / Deathless
Hardline / 31-91
Hardline / In The Hands Of Time
Yargos / Time Drops

First Impression - Dang
Bonus Point for best song - In the Hands of Time

Starting this off with a song you've already sent me, eh? Bad form! Just kidding...it's not like it was an official roulette submission last time :neverusethis: Anyway I'll just repeat what I said last time about this song, since it still holds true. This song has a great progression and great sound. It almost sounds like Falling Into Infinity era production with Awake/A Change of Seasons creativity. Long story short, I like this song. In fact I may like it even better than I did the last time you sent it. It's a great song and jeez that guitar solo to end it! How Do You Feel is another great song. I love this band's brand of Neo-Prog, it being very emotion driven. Everyone plays for the song instead of doing the "prog I need to show off my uber skillzzz, dude bro" thing. I know you've sent me Mystery before and while this song has some amazing moments in it, I think it lacks some of the brilliant melodies in the other songs you've sent me. Still a top notch song though. Tired is next and from a band I don't believe I've ever heard of before. I looked them up and, yeah I'm about 101% I've never heard of this band. For a simple acoustic song, this packs quite a punch. It's strong vocally and melodically. I wasn't sure about the field recording in the second half of the song, but I'll have more to say about this later. Weak is kind of in a similar vein as Tired. This is piano driven instead of acoustic guitar driven though. I don't like the vocals here quite as much as the Mattador song. However the build up here is pretty strong. This is probably the best Thunderstone song I've heard before. Then we get to Deathless. At first listen this felt out of place (more on this later). I do love this song and the cinematic feel of it and the great varied vocals throughout (is that Michael Mills on this?). Plus we get some great guitar work from Marco Sfogli and that part with the Violin mixed with what sounds like a harp is quite nice. I wish Ostura would hurry up and release another album! Next we get a pair of Hardline tracks. Neal Schon Hardline to be precise. Gotta love Neal Schon's guitar work here. The first is just an acoustic intro to what I consider the centerpiece of this EP. In the Hands of Time is one of those tracks that just hits me just right. I can't really explain it, but I'll try. Everything about it is just perfect. It's the perfect blend of emotional and passionate vocals mixed with emotional and melodic guitar solos combined with a catchy melody that never gets tiring. The last song has a tough act to follow. Time Drops is not a bad song though. And this is another band I've never heard of before. But wait is that Andrew McDermott? Why, yes it is! So you managed to throw in my favorite Threshold vocalist on here. The rest of the song is just merely good, but Mac is awesome, as always. Needless to say you kind of knocked it out of the park with your song choices here.
Song Score - 8.9/10 +1 for Best song of the round

Now the story you kind of nailed it too. It just works. You pretty much perfectly reflected all the emotions and actions associated with going through a cancer diagnosis. Between my grandfather dying from cancer 9 years ago and my Aunt battling breast cancer, I can relate. And speaking of, it is a battle! So those field recordings of battle are actually quite fitting and I don't know if that was intentional, but battling cancer is one of the toughest battles a human can endure and fight. Then the Ostura song was also quite fitting with it being more bombastic and cinematic. It works well with the story. Again, not sure if you intended it that way, but it's how I interpreted it. Now I am almost dreading what you have cooked up for the second part. I'm sure it will be good, but I'm also sure it will be an emotional roller coaster. Anyway, I have literally no complaints about the story here at all.
Story Score - 10/10

Flow Score - I'm not going to spend too much time on this aspect. Overall the flow from song to song was fine. A couple transitions could have been tightened up, however, the pacing was fantastic and worked well with how you were trying to tell the story. Also each song had its place and fit well within the whole of the EP.
Flow Score - 8/10

Overall Score - 27.9/30
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Re: Puppies (Re)Discovery EP Roulette V.4 (Round 3 Result 4)
« Reply #1501 on: August 09, 2022, 04:17:34 AM »
Great score Chad. Fantastic story.
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Re: Puppies (Re)Discovery EP Roulette V.4 (Round 3 Result 4)
« Reply #1502 on: August 09, 2022, 04:45:19 AM »
Iíll take it!!

I do now feel a little bad for resending Spiral of Fear. You know, Iíve got a good memory, it just isnít very long - even after reminding me of that concept album I built and sent even though Iíd been eliminated in tha prior roulette, I totally forgot that song was in itÖ because again, itís not on Spotify, so itís not actually in the playlist I sent you!  I didnít re-read youíre review of that, so Iíd also forgotten what your take on it was. Itís a fave song of mine, and one that I felt set the stage of fear/scared appropriately here.

Cheating is in my DNA so much, I donít even know Iím doing it sometimes!!! :lol

Given how well the first two elements scored (including song of the round :fistpump:) I wonít even pull a ďTimĒ and complain about the flow score.  ;D
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Re: Puppies (Re)Discovery EP Roulette V.4 (Round 3 Result 4)
« Reply #1503 on: August 09, 2022, 04:49:41 AM »
Nice one Chad.
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Re: Puppies (Re)Discovery EP Roulette V.4 (Round 3 Result 4)
« Reply #1504 on: August 09, 2022, 04:51:16 AM »
You know, I’ve got a good memory, it just isn’t very long

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Umm.....I'm not sure this qualifies as having a good memory Chad.
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