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« Reply #105 on: May 11, 2022, 06:01:41 PM »
   I know I made a cassette - it was/is a LONG record, it didn't even fit on a 60 minute cassette - and I put the b-sides on there as well

Speaking of B-sides..

I remember the 45's were supposed to be a puzzle of the album cover. I thought I had all of them, but wiki says Rocket was released in 1989. I was all set by then, and having live version of Women was not going to convince me. But here are the 6 I have. And the b-sides were easily better than anything on the album.



Thatís cool. Shows how big the album was with so many singles released.

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« Reply #106 on: May 11, 2022, 06:23:47 PM »
Should I stop then? This seems like the point where many of you are done with the band already, even though I feel there are some great songs left to come in the later albums.
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« Reply #107 on: May 11, 2022, 06:27:26 PM »
Should I stop then?

No, of course not. Personally, I won't have very much to add, but I plan on listening as you go forward and commenting along the way.
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« Reply #108 on: May 11, 2022, 06:34:10 PM »
Hysteria - I bought this on cassette on release day and I gotta admit I was blown away by it at the time. I think as much as anything it was where I was in my teenage years musical journey (ie I actually hadn't discovered even Metallica yet but was a massive Maiden and solo Ozzy fan, maybe a bit of W.A.S.P). So I listened to this album for about 6 months straight, just loved it. Anyway here is Australia, Def Leppard at that time wasn't a big band so the strange thing was that after my 6 months straight listening to this album and telling everyone how awesome it was, no one else I knew was actually into Def Leppard at all. So I think it was about 2 years (approx.) after the release of the album, Rocket was released as a single in Australia and it just took off. It was huge and the band all of a sudden became massive here. Meanwhile, I had well and truly moved on...and just hearing Rocket made me sick...haha...

I think we went through a similar journey as fellow Aussies.  I was first into Van Halen , Ozzy, KISS , WASP and - for me - Pyromania.   And yeah it was interesting how Def Leppard built gradual momentum with Hysteria here over a 2 year period.  Animal was a minor hit , then they really broke with a Top 15 hit with Love Bites and then as the album sales started to roll in they cracked Top 10 with Hysteria in 1989 and the single of the time Rocket fed off that.   For me it was Love Bites that was the catalyst , even though Rocket ended up charting a touch higher in the end.

I was getting into Pyromania at around the same time (just before) and that got far more play , even though I didn't dislike Hysteria.   I started to view them as a bit of a parody of themselves though after I heard Let's Get Rocked.

And yeah...............a band had to break BIG worldwide (not just USA) before they got radio play out here.  It was a totally different scene and just the diehard metalheads who could find a newsagent who stocked the magazines knew anything about anything.

Just like in the Van Halen thread...........talk of songs like Beautiful Girls being summer hits.  Never heard that once outside my own listening  :lol

Yes, totally agree. Exactly right on the Beautiful Girls comment - Summer Hit?? haha! I did forget to mention KISS and VH, yes I was also into them at the time.

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« Reply #109 on: May 11, 2022, 06:34:57 PM »
Alrighty, great!

In the Round, In Your Face coming later today (for me) and Adrenalize tomorrow.
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« Reply #110 on: May 11, 2022, 06:35:53 PM »
Should I stop then? This seems like the point where many of you are done with the band already, even though I feel there are some great songs left to come in the later albums.

No way! Keep going Deadeye, I'll be still following along and will try to listen along as well.

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« Reply #111 on: May 11, 2022, 08:14:19 PM »
In the Round, In Your Face coming later today (for me)

Watching/ listening to this for the first time in probably 30+ years. Enjoying it.
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« Reply #112 on: May 11, 2022, 09:48:31 PM »
In the Round, In Your Face - 1989

Setlist - 1. Stagefright. 2. Rock! Rock! (ĎTil You Drop!). 3. Women. 4. Too Late For Love.5. Hysteria. 6. Gods of War. 7. Die Hard the Hunter.8. Bringiní on the Heartbreak. 9. Fooliín. 10. Armageddon It. 11. Animal. 12. Pour Some Sugar On Me. 13. Phil Solo. 14. Rock of Ages. 15. Photograph.

https://open.spotify.com/album/31oeDyCOLhgeZyktfxo0pE?si=13yFd4aiTt2ZRxHskrkGqQ
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP_u_WyPWzX1o8jzxfOtoTtTTgIK4Oeqj

Hysteria was massive, weíve covered this multiple times now. The tour supporting it was even bigger though. As the album kept breaking new milestones with the album, more and more dates were added. Starting from Tilburg on the 24th of June 1987 and finishing in Tacoma, Washington on October 27th 1988, the Hysteria tour spanned 235 shows across its run.

With two shows booked in the McNichols Sports Arena in Denver, Colorado, the opportunity arose to capture a document of the bandís most ambitious tour to date. Of course they took it up and on the 7th of March, 1989, their first live VHS was released.

In The Round, In Your Face is a fairly great performance and a really solid VHS presentation. This is far enough into the tour where the show is absolutely nailed but not too far so that touring fatigue has kicked in yet. The guitar tones in this are really strong. Nice and polished, but also fairly meaty. The drum tone isnít as strong as on the LA Forum release, but this is Rick Allenís first tour back on the drums since he lost the arm. Joeís vocals are really full and strong here too.

How does the setlist stack up? Well, we have a huge taste of the hits. Much of the setlist is comprised of the singles from the last three albums, but we do have three deeper cuts as well. Gods of War and Die Hard the Hunter are absolutely my favourite tracks on this one, and Stagefright is a killer opening song. For Die Hard, Heartbreak and Fooliní, Steve Clark uses a double neck, and the added 12 string tone really elevates these song. Heartbreak starts off as an acoustic piece here, and it makes for one of my favourite versions of the song (though this arrangement was brought back on another live album, and I like it just a little better). Rock of Ages features a good extended singalong section, much like the LA Forum performance too. This show also uses a really cool intro tape, being the speech from Dirty Harry. ďDo I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?Ē Sets a really cool vibe to open the night with.

The annoying thing to me is that there are a few songs that were cut off of this release. Donít Shoot Shotgun, Let It Go and the B-Side Tear It Down, as well as another version of Travelliní Band were all recorded at both shows, but not included. Thanks to a YouTuber named Rock Remastered, there are uncovered soundboards for all 4, and mixed into the playlist where they would have showed up in the setlist. It wouldíve been great to have these, but I get the feeling that official releases for these cut songs wont be released anytime soon.  Check out the second link above to hear the extra songs.

So, for me, I think this is actually a really solid release and almost a perfect swan song of a release. Following the Hysteria tour, Leppard played the BRIT Awards and the MTV Video Music Awards in 1989, and then that was it for a little while.
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« Reply #113 on: May 11, 2022, 10:00:18 PM »
One thing my collection lacks is live albums .............never formed a huge part of my listening apart from a few very big faves from Ozzy, Dokken etc...

I will try and take a listen.  Stagefright was my favourite Leppard song there for a while so yeah........very cool opener  :metal
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« Reply #114 on: May 11, 2022, 10:13:00 PM »
I remember that detail with the images on the singles!

While just about every other album I enjoyed at that period of my life wouldn't hold my interest for 5 minutes, I can still find enjoyment in Hysteria, if only for the nostalgia (and I am not big on nostalgia).
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« Reply #115 on: May 12, 2022, 09:21:16 AM »
Gonna get this one out a little early as Iíve got some studio sessions tomorrow and donít know if Iíll get this up otherwise.

Adrenalize - 1992.

Tracklisting - 1. Letís Get Rocked. 2. Heaven Is. 3. Make Love Like A Man. 4. Tonight. 5. White Lightning. 6. Stand Up (Kick Love Into Motion). 7. Personal Property.8. Have You Ever Needed Someone So Bad. 9. I Wanna Touch U. 10. Tear It Down.

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Following the tour for Hysteria, the band took some time off before reconvening to start the writing sessions. But something was very different. Steve Clark was having serious problems with his alcoholism, and ultimately was given six months off from the band to sort himself out.

Unfortunately though, instead of dealing with his problems and trying to live a normal life, Steve spent most of his time in his local pub. On the 8th of January, 1991,  Steve Clark was found dead with a high blood alcohol level and traces of morphine found in his system. Once again, this could have been the end of Def Leppard.

For the first time since 1981, Def Leppard continued under their own steam without Mutt Lange, deciding instead to self-produce with their longtime engineer Matt Shipley. Instead of hiring someone else for the position of guitarist straight away, Def Leppard performed this album as a four-piece. Much like Hysteria, this album spawned six singles, four of which were largely successful.

How does it hold up though? Letís find out together.

The first track here is Letís Get Rocked. This intro is a lot more instant than Rock! Rock! and Women before it. Once again, the bass guitar is super prominent as the main instrument throughout the verses, and thereís some decent lead fills from Phil Collen bouncing around. The problem is this is really nothing substantial. These lyrics devolve into an almost self-parody and repeating a lot of the ďrock this, rock thatĒ pastiche that became super overdone in the 80s. This song is really fun to see in concert with a very singalong chorus and the solo is fairly decent, but I can see how this is not everyoneís cup of tea.

Heaven Is follows up. I tend to like this one a lot more. Thereís still nothing super substantial on the level of the albums preceding it, but this chorus gets stuck in my head often. The open vibe that precedes the solo is fairly standout too. This one seems to have never been played live, which is a shame because I feel like it would go down really well live. I actually think this is a better song than Letís Get Rocked, and couldíve been a great feel good opener for the album.

Make Love Like A Man is a point where I feel like they tried to take the innuendo laden Pour Some Sugar on Me and tried to one up it. It doesnít work for me, and comes off a little second rate. Itís got a good energy to it though. This is one that Iíve managed to see live for myself and it does work quite well, but itís at this point that Iím already realising that this album may not be the great follow-up to Hysteria that I was hoping for. Admittedly, I rarely turn to Adrenalize and Iím starting to feel like there might be a good reason for it. The ending of this song makes you realise how much Steve contributed to the group vocal, as the backing vocals here just sound like Joe multitracking. And if youíve been following these write ups since the start, you know thatís something I tend to love in these songs.

We follow up with Tonight, which starts with a huge wall of vocals. This one is more of a ballad, and the way the riff is phrased actually kinda reminds me of Bringiní on the Heartbreak. The build into the chorus is masterful, and the structure of this song is really well crafted. This one is fairly short, which is a shame because itís actually a really well written song. Philís solo here is awesome and the vocals all over this are really good. This is the first song so far where Iíve felt like I wish it was longer, but it makes itís point well and moves on. I liked this better than Love Bites this go around, so let that say what it will.

White Lightning is our epic for Adrenalize. The guitar intro is reminiscent of the opening ambience to Gods of War and as it moves into the main crux of the song, I feel like weíre in for something special. This song is a tribute to Steve Clark and the lyrics deal with the demons of addiction. The structure here is similar to that of Gods and that chorus is huge. The guitar work in this song is genuinely next level and almost feels out of place for Adrenalize with all thatís come before it. I feel like this one is nothing shy of cathartic, and with Die Hard the Hunter having found itís way back to the setlist for the 2019 Vegas residency, I really want this song to see the light of the stage sometime soon.

Stand Up (Kick Love Into Motion) starts with a vibe that immediately takes me back to Animal. Savís staccato bass hits and that jangly guitar tone take me back to older songs and put me in the right mood for this song immediately. The chorus vocal here feels very at home. Iíve heard rumours that this song was written in 1985 and almost made the cut for Hysteria, but they thought it was too similar to other songs, and I can really hear it. Nonetheless, I think this is actually a really good song, and again, why have they not played this live? Philís solo includes a little bit of tapping which is really different for him, and the vocal delivery is strong.

The intro to Personal Property is great, which almost makes it a shame that the rest of the song is very undeserving of that start up. These lyrics feel more at home with Steel Panther than Def Leppard. Thereís a decent pace to the guitars here, but the vocal pattern for the chorus feels uncomfortable. Thereís actually a lot going on here, but I donít know that that makes it good. The bridge gets back to that epic feeling from the intro, which kinda hammers home to me that the song didnít deserve it. Some of the solo goes into a very Brian May direction which is refreshing. I think Iíd like this song if the vocal and the lyric wasnít what it was. I almost feel like thereís a good song being held way back.

Have You Ever Needed Someone So Bad is another ballad, which works really well. However, and this is going to come out strangely so bear with me, I feel like this song has suffered for me because of what they do with it live.  While there is nothing Iíd want to change about the song as it exists here, which I think is an absolutely awesome ballad, I feel that itís inclusion as part of the 2012 acoustic medley, and the full acoustic performance on Hits Vegas, the electric version just doesnít quite cut it for me. The lyrics are tender and fragile, naturally about needing someone that you canít be with, and really suit the acoustic approach more. There are some weird effects under Philís lead in the middle which are a little distracting, but all up this is a great song.

I Wanna Touch U is the second to last song here and this isÖ interesting. I do not know how to feel about this song. This has a cool chorus, but everything here just feels like Hysteria leftovers in the worst way. Soloís cool and this one is nice and short, but honestly I donít know what to make of this. I know thereís gotta be someone who likes this a lot, and the key change into the last chorus is nice, but I really really donít get it. This song was released as the last single from Adrenalize and Iím still kinda questioning why.

The final track on this album is surprisingly not new, nor is it old. As mentioned while discussing the B-Sides to Hysteria, I mentioned that all of them had been at least partially redone for Retro Active or Adrenalize. To close off this album, we have Tear It Down. Immediately noticeable is that there is a new lead guitar over the intro, which adds a layer of excitement to it. The bass here is a lot more prominent, but I think the Hysteria vocal served this a lot better. That said, a lot of this track feels bigger and better than the B-Side apart from that. The chorus group vocal feels like it could actually be from the original version. I think I might like the original solo for this song a bit better though. This is actually a really hard comparison to make, but it does make a great closer to Adrenalize.

Ultimately, if I had been alive and a Def Leppard fan in 1992, I donít know how Iíd have felt for this release. The landscape of rock had become very different with Nirvana and Metallica breaking big at the time and this feels like itís maybe trying a bit too hard to be a follow up to Hysteria while maybe not fully understanding what made that album great. Whatís disappointing to me is that in the years that have passed since the release of Adrenalize, so many of the great songs have fully fallen off of the setlist. This is a problem that lasts for almost every album following this too, which is a bummer because I think weíve got a lot of great work yet to come. Iím kinda thinking this deserves a 3.5 ultimately. The songs that work really work, but the ones that donít kinda kill my mood a little. I think this is an album where you need to look past the two biggest tracks to find the real gold.

With my own music taking a lot of precedence in the next few days, I aim to get Retro Active out on Saturday, and then hopefully be on track for Slang on Monday and once every two days following that. Sorry if I start falling behind, but Iíve finally got some things I need to take care of. 
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« Reply #116 on: May 12, 2022, 09:46:06 AM »
So I'm going to introduce something new here.  I don't know if everyone is like me, but the albums that I REALLY cut my teeth on, the albums that formed my musical "being", are all ALBUMS I love.   Sure, some songs are better than others, but I don't skip one song on those formative albums - Hotter Than Hell, High Voltage, Blizzard of Ozz, Number of the Beast...   

As I got more and more broad in my listening, as bands moved more or less farther away from the core of what I initially liked, there were more and more albums - Crazy World, Ram It Down, No Prayer For The Dying, Asylum - that I realized I wasn't going to force myself to listen to or like. Some bands, Scorpions, I basically abandoned.   Def Leppard is one of those. I recognize there are some good songs on there; it's not like they completely forgot how to write songs.  It's just not what I wanted to hear then; at that time - 1992 - I was heavier into prog, and even jam bands.  I think I saw Tull, ELP and the Allman's like 10 times between them from 1991 to 1994. 

Even then I was starting to realize there is too much music to absorb everything, and if I didn't like something, well, I didn't like it.

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« Reply #117 on: May 12, 2022, 02:02:19 PM »
I don't know if everyone is like me,

Take it to the bank, brother! :lol



So I'm going to introduce something new here.  I don't know if everyone is like me, but the albums that I REALLY cut my teeth on, the albums that formed my musical "being", are all ALBUMS I love.   Sure, some songs are better than others, but I don't skip one song on those formative albums - Hotter Than Hell, High Voltage, Blizzard of Ozz, Number of the Beast...   

As I got more and more broad in my listening, as bands moved more or less farther away from the core of what I initially liked, there were more and more albums - Crazy World, Ram It Down, No Prayer For The Dying, Asylum - that I realized I wasn't going to force myself to listen to or like. Some bands, Scorpions, I basically abandoned.   Def Leppard is one of those. I recognize there are some good songs on there; it's not like they completely forgot how to write songs.  It's just not what I wanted to hear then; at that time - 1992 - I was heavier into prog, and even jam bands.  I think I saw Tull, ELP and the Allman's like 10 times between them from 1991 to 1994. 

Even then I was starting to realize there is too much music to absorb everything, and if I didn't like something, well, I didn't like it.


So while there's albums that I love and grew up with and love every song, when I was in college 86-90, I was going through tons of music. I started making Compilation Tapes. I had three 90 min UFO mix tapes, four Alice ones, two Kiss ones, you get the picture. As much as I'd like to say I'm an album guy, I think I could go both ways on that. Er..
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« Reply #118 on: May 12, 2022, 02:15:40 PM »
No, me too.  Every car I owned I wired in a cheap Panasonic tape deck, and I'd do the same thing.  New albums got an entire tape side, and some bands - Kiss, Aerosmith - would get compilations.  But when I was home I would listen to albums through headphones on my Dad's kick ass stereo, and then, it'd be side one and side two. 

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« Reply #119 on: May 12, 2022, 02:49:11 PM »
In the Round, In Your Face - 1989

Setlist - 1. Stagefright. 2. Rock! Rock! (ĎTil You Drop!). 3. Women. 4. Too Late For Love.5. Hysteria. 6. Gods of War. 7. Die Hard the Hunter.8. Bringiní on the Heartbreak. 9. Fooliín. 10. Armageddon It. 11. Animal. 12. Pour Some Sugar On Me. 13. Phil Solo. 14. Rock of Ages. 15. Photograph.


So I listened and watched this for the first time in well over 30 years. I actually enjoyed it. It's actually not as polished as I remember it being. I don't remember loving the camera work, and I wasn't a fan of the in the round stage.

But the video isn't really that bad, actually. My chief complaint was the endless shots of the girls in the front row.

Soundtrack wise, this is really strong. I found it online last night and I will happily not wait 30 more years before I listen again.

And again...Rick Allen  :hefdaddy
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« Reply #120 on: May 12, 2022, 02:58:55 PM »
Adrenalize - 1992.

Tracklisting - 1. Letís Get Rocked. 2. Heaven Is. 3. Make Love Like A Man. 4. Tonight. 5. White Lightning. 6. Stand Up (Kick Love Into Motion). 7. Personal Property.8. Have You Ever Needed Someone So Bad. 9. I Wanna Touch U. 10. Tear It Down.


I listened to this at work today. I was certainly willing to give this album a shot. I remember hearing Vivian joined the band and I was pumped. I seem to remember MTV showing a live show or part of a live show around this time where they played Let's Get Rocked at least.


Anyway, I think Let's Get Rocked is probably the best song here, and I'm not saying it's a great song. I mean, it is pretty good, but it was just not what I was looking for. Instead of them moving on from the Hysteria style, they seemed to double down on it. I don't remember ever owning this. My gf might have.






Even then I was starting to realize there is too much music to absorb everything, and if I didn't like something, well, I didn't like it.

I wanted to come back to this...

While my long ago imagined lifelong fandom of Def Leppard never materialized, I don't think that I ever stopped "liking" them. I mean, I faithfully checked out whatever new song that had with each new album. I was hoping, praying that I would like it. Def Leppard was a 13 y/o TAC's first favorite NEW band, and that will never go away.
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« Reply #121 on: May 13, 2022, 09:43:39 AM »
Even then I was starting to realize there is too much music to absorb everything, and if I didn't like something, well, I didn't like it.

I wanted to come back to this...

While my long ago imagined lifelong fandom of Def Leppard never materialized, I don't think that I ever stopped "liking" them. I mean, I faithfully checked out whatever new song that had with each new album. I was hoping, praying that I would like it. Def Leppard was a 13 y/o TAC's first favorite NEW band, and that will never go away.

Well, I DO listen; I have heard most of the catalogue.  I just don't really force myself to listen to much of it.

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« Reply #122 on: May 13, 2022, 05:12:15 PM »
Adrenalize - I remember when this was released in 1992, Pantera were probably my favourite band at that time, so yeah Adrenalize wasn't for me. I thought Let's Get Rocked was pretty good though. One of my good mates got the CD but I am pretty sure I never bought it and I am pretty sure I actually have never heard the whole album before - until now. I gave the album a listen, I did struggle to get through it, it just feels very formulaic overall, like trying to catch the magic of Hysteria but the songs/melodies just not being there.

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« Reply #123 on: May 14, 2022, 02:55:34 AM »
I found Let's Get Rocked cringey but , from memory , I used to play Tonight/White Lightning/Tear It Down -  but then I preferred the demo versions of Tonight and Tear It Down.  So Adrenalize got very little play as an album listen.
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« Reply #124 on: May 14, 2022, 08:56:47 AM »
Letís Get Rocked was my introduction to Def Leppard when it came out on the radio. Itís a pretty catchy song, and I still love the bridge part (ďall I wanna do is take a ride into the blue.Ē). It is pretty hokey. Still have a good bit of nostalgia for it though.

I canít say I listen to this album very often these days, but I do think Heaven Is is a fun song. Stand Up (Kick Love Into Motion) is another that I still like. And I have always loved Have You Ever Needed Someone So Bad. Call it a guilty pleasure, I just love the wash of guitars and vocals on it. Tonight and I Wanna Touch U are also catchy enough, but some iffy lyrics for sure. Then thereís a couple songs that are straight up awful in Make Love Like a Man and Personal Property (yikes!).

This is only sort of a hard rock album. Itís more of a pop thing for sure. But White Lightning is a pretty cool song, something a bit more musically deep. At 7:00 minutes it could pass for prog, and I have to say a whole album of songs in this vein would probably be really cool. Tear it Down is also a pretty fun rocker and a nice closer.

This album in particular I feel like you can really pick up on the Mutt Lange format. A lot of these tracks you can envision Shania Twain singing them with a twang and some fiddles filling out the sound. That said, I think they managed to produce another great sounding album in the vein of Hysteria, even if that style was kind of on the way out. I remember discovering Pearl Jam and Nirvana later on that same year. Itís not a bad follow up effort to a classic album, but it probably needed to come out two or three years earlier than it did.

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« Reply #125 on: May 14, 2022, 10:50:41 AM »
Retro Active - 1993
Vault - 1995

Tracklisting - 1. Desert Song. 2. Fractured Love. 3. Action. 4. Two Steps Behind5. Sheís Too Tough. 6. Miss You In A Heartbeat. 7. Only After Dark. 8. Ride Into The Sun. 9. From the Inside. 10. Ring of Fire. 11. I Wanna Be Your Hero12. Miss You In A Heartbeat (Electric Version). 13. Two Steps Behind (Electric Version) 14. Miss You In A Jeartbeat (Acoustic Version).
1. When Love and Hate Collide.

https://open.spotify.com/album/51JMDhly9GKYXgFrOekyIR?si=d2ZeeQNORJmsMcTm1vg8-w and https://open.spotify.com/album/2eb76s2S0cEzqqyEeGJ8Xk?si=HBFT6hw5TpufyNg5qnufnA

12 years in  and there have been only five full length albums in the Def Leppard discography. In a time where the bandís sound was evidently changing and evolving, it was clear that an era was now over in Leppard history that deserved cataloguing one more time. To close the door on the Steve Clark era, Def Leppard released Retro Active, a collection of B-Sides and unfinished tracks.

To quote the sticker from the front of my Dadís CD copy from 1993. ďThis is not a new Def Leppard album, nor is it an old Def Leppard record. It is Retro Active - a collection of songs which have appeared in various hard to find places or in certain cases never made it out of the studio until now.Ē Iíll be referring to the liner notes for the album and telling you their original release history as we go along here. The first thing to note here is that this is the very first release featuring performances from Vivian Campbell and sadly the last to feature any from Steve Clark.

Desert Song kicks us off and this is my favourite Def Leppard song. Did you expect me to say that? I bet you didnít. This thing just has a crushingly heavy riff for Def Leppard and itís HUGE! According to the liner notes, the  instrumental idea was written and completed during the Hysteria sessions but left unrecorded due to remaining lyricless. In 1993, Joe penned the lyrics on a ďday offĒ in Portugal during the Adrenalize tour, and the track was recorded shortly after that. My question follows along the lines of that used on many Adrenalize songs. Why was this not used in a proper album and why the hell have they not played this live? The second solo is from Steve Clark and is probably my favourite of his work, the clean bridge is the perfect relief (in which Savís bass fills are impeccable) and the difference between Joeís lower verse vocals and the higher choruses really sells me on the intensity. This song harkens back to Def Leppardís metal roots and absolutely smokes it. This song is immense, and if you arenít headbanging while this song is on, youíve got it very wrong indeed.

As Desert Song fades out, we get the sound of almost tribal percussion fading us into the nest song. Here we have Fractured Love, another leftover from the early Hysteria sessions.  Before Mutt Lange threw the idea of making ďPyromania 2Ē out the window in favour of making the Hysteria album, this was one of the strongest tracks they wrote. However, the intro was incomplete and the song was shelved. You can really hear the new work from 1993 compared to the original work from 1984, as once we kick into the full song the vocals change kinda drastically. This song is a banger, and Iím left wondering what the follow up to Pyromania could have been without Langeís push to make Hysteria what it became.

ďWe wanted to do a few cover tunes for the Adrenalize B-Sides, we chose this one because we are all big Sweet fans. ĎNuff saidĒ.
Track three is the B-Side from the Make Love Like A Man single, Action. This song sees itís way in and out of the setlist fairly regularly, having seen itís way as a bonus track on Mirror Ball and one of the two encore openers on the 2019 Vegas residency setlists. This cover is one of those that improve upon the originals and the Leppard version just oozes charisma. The group vocal is on point, the guitars are huge and thereís just a lot of great stuff here. This is the first performance credited to Vivian Campbell, here credited only for backing vocals.

Track four is easily the most successful song on Retro Active, Two Steps Behind. ďInspired by Joeís original demoĒ (we will get to that in roughly nine more songs) ďand done for fun acoustically, this song eventually surfaced as an extra track for a CD single release. Strings were added a year later when it was chosen for the ďLast Action HeroĒ movie soundtrack.Ē This song is still played frequently in Def Leppard concerts and it was a huge hit. This song was released as a band only version on the Make Love Like A Man single before strings were added by Michael Kamen (composer behind a lot of great film scores including Licence to Kill and Die Hard, as well as being the orchestral composer for The Wall and Metallicaís original S&M). This is Vivianís first appearance on guitar for the band too. Not much needs to be said about this one, itís a huge track and we all know it.
Personal story I can add is that this was actually played at my Mum and Dadís wedding!

Track five is Sheís Too Tough, a song written back in the Hysteria sessions by Joe but for a Canadian band named Helix. In 1992, Phil laid down new guitars and then the two Ricks came in and did their parts while Joe had a day off. This song uses Joeís original demo vocals from somewhere between 84 and 87 and this actually sounds really uncomfortable for Joe. This is a whole tone higher than Stagefright, so itís barely in Joeís range. Nonetheless, I like this song. Nice and shirt and wouldíve made for a great B-Side to Heaven Is, Tonight AND Stand Up (Kick Love Into Motion).

Track six, Miss You Like A Heartbeat,  is a similar story. This song was written Phil for a band called The Law in 1992. This version came about when Phil heard Joe messing around with the song on a piano, and was originally intended to just be a demo recording for just guitar, piano and vocal, but the song just kept growing as it often does in Leppard land. A demo version of this, the way that Phil originally wrote it was also on the Make Love single. This is actually a really moving ballad, and is another song that couldíve fit really nicely onto Adrenalize. As it is, this song was released as a single and it did pretty well for itself. Phil plays an almost Spanish inspired guitar solo here on the acoustic, and the whole sing just has a really good mood to it.

Track seven is easily my least favourite song on Retro Active, Only After Dark. This is a cover of a Mick Ronson song that was ďupdated and given the profile we felt it always deservedĒ. This song is a decent jam, but it just doesnít do very much for me ultimately. This was released as a B-Side for the Letís Get Rocked single, so I guess that whole single was a little disappointing ultimately. This is a cool enough song, but even at just under 4 minutes I feel like it goes on too long for the limited ideas presented. Rest In Peace Mick Ronson.

Track eight is the ultimate version of Ride Into the Sun. This is a slight update from the Hysteria B-Side. This has an added Honky Tonk piano intro by Ian Hunter of Mott the Hoople and David Bowie fame. Other than that, we have a better snare sound added in June of 93. I donít really have much I can say about this song, because the write up from the Hysteria B-Sides thread was pretty much all that needs to be said.

Track nine is an oddity known only as From The Inside. According to the liner notes, this song was originally written by Joe when he was asked to perform with the Hothouse Flowers for a late night TV Show. The two bands loved the song, and it appeared as a B-Side to Have You Ever Needed Someone So Bad. This is a really intriguing song, written about addiction from the point of view of the drugs. Itís an odd one to be sure, but a really welcome one. I donít think Leppard has another song that sounds like this, for better or for worse, but the song itself is actually really good. This showed up a fair few times on the Adrenalize tour and then showed up for some acoustic performances in 95, 96 and 2004. Statistically speaking, this is the most played song on Retro Active apart from Two Steps Behind.

Track ten and eleven both also emerge from the Hysteria sessions, Ring of Fire and I Wanna Be Your Hero. Ring of Fire has a way better intro for the Retro Active version, and I feel like the clean guitar swells within the second verse are a lot more crisp. This is a really great song, which saw a few live performances as a concert opener on the X tour. The liner notes say that this song was ďinspired byÖ ahh, you donít want to knowĒ. If I donít want to know writes songs this good, then keep doing whatever it is we donít get to know about!
I Wanna Be Your Hero was originally written under the name Love Bites, but the title was stolen and used for a much different song (which for me is kinda inferior). This version has a bit of a different intro, which brings the little lead guitar fills in a little earlier. This song is still a banger and shouldíve been on Hysteria for my money. The drums for both of these songs have been re-recorded and both songs were enhanced with more guitars (like that banging intro riff for Ring of Fire!) and chorus vocals in 1993. The issue I had with Hero on the B-Side version is removed and we get a proper fade out this time. Love it!

Track twelve is the original electric version of Miss You In A Heartbeat. The opening guitar swells are a thing of total beauty and this version of the song is actually the one I think I would tend to gravitate towards for an actual album, as it just has a great vibe. Joeís delivery on this is actually even a bit cleaner to me than that of the main version. The solo here is your run of the mill Phil, but thatís kinda what this version called for. I just really like this.

The closing track is a full band take on Joeís original demo of Two Steps Behind, and I actually love the fact that this is the closing track for no other reason than we actually get a Vivian Campbell guitar solo! This version of Two Steps Behind actually fundamentally changes the song, removing the main chord progression outside of the chorus. Rickís drumming feels a little too drum machine like, but he chucks in a few cool fills here and there. Joeís vocals on this version are nowhere near as good as they are on the main version of the song, but you get that. The whole song builds to that guitar solo, and even if itís a little short, itís a great intro to Vivian in the band and kinda reassures us that the band is in safe hands with him. One could almost view this whole album as a concept about Def Leppard learning to become a band again without Steve and looking into the future by letting go of these old songs once and for all. In doing so, I think itís an amazing release.

Now, see, after the closing track, thereís a hidden bonus track of just Joeís piano and vocal for Miss You In A Heartbeat. Itís kinda same old same old after youíve heard the main version. However, Iím instead going to touch on another song that was released only on the greatest hits collection in 1995, since it doesnít really have another chance to come into play. That song is called When Love and Hate Collide, from Vault. Why include it here? Well, it was said in an interview with Joe in 1995 that putting this song and the compilation as a whole out was to completely close the door on the Steve Clark before they put out Slang. When Love and Hate Collide is a very pretty sounding ballad which still makes its way out from time to time, mostly recently being played as part of the encore to the Hysteria 2018 tour. Itís your standard power ballad affair for Leppard, and this is actually one of their biggest songs in the UK. This one never did anything much for me, but I can see why it still gets attention.

So, Retro Active. It actually feels unfair to rate this album as it is a collection of leftovers, much as I couldnít rate leftover spaghetti bolognaise as a new meal. We have, in fact, already discussed three of these tracks during this deep dive already. But in looking at it now, and not being a live album, I kinda have to give it a rating. One would think that being a bunch of leftover songs would tend to mean that it shouldnít deserve to be ranked higher than any proper album, but I think it genuinely is. I also realised that I didnít give Adrenalize a rating, so Iím giving that a 3.75. Retro Active, I think Iím gonna give it a 4.5. This really holds up, flows well as an album and serves as a critical milestone in the bandís career.

And with the changing of the guard taken care of, we get to start the Vivian Campbell era. Join me on Monday for a discussion of the oft-maligned Slang!
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« Reply #126 on: May 14, 2022, 11:35:35 AM »

Track nine is an oddity known only as From The Inside. According to the liner notes, this song was originally written by Joe when he was asked to perform with the Hothouse Flowers for a late night TV Show.

Are the "Accoustic Hippies From Hell" actually the Hothouse Flowers? Who is credited instrumentally?

BTW, the Hothouse Flowers are fucking awesome!
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« Reply #127 on: May 14, 2022, 11:58:05 AM »
Retro Active - 1993
Vault - 1995

Tracklisting - 1. Desert Song. 2. Fractured Love. 3. Action. 4. Two Steps Behind5. Sheís Too Tough. 6. Miss You In A Heartbeat. 7. Only After Dark. 8. Ride Into The Sun. 9. From the Inside. 10. Ring of Fire. 11. I Wanna Be Your Hero12. Miss You In A Heartbeat (Electric Version). 13. Two Steps Behind (Electric Version) 14. Miss You In A Jeartbeat (Acoustic Version).
1. When Love and Hate Collide.

https://open.spotify.com/album/51JMDhly9GKYXgFrOekyIR?si=d2ZeeQNORJmsMcTm1vg8-w and https://open.spotify.com/album/2eb76s2S0cEzqqyEeGJ8Xk?si=HBFT6hw5TpufyNg5qnufnA

12 years in  and there have been only five full length albums in the Def Leppard discography. In a time where the bandís sound was evidently changing and evolving, it was clear that an era was now over in Leppard history that deserved cataloguing one more time. To close the door on the Steve Clark era, Def Leppard released Retro Active, a collection of B-Sides and unfinished tracks.

To quote the sticker from the front of my Dadís CD copy from 1993. ďThis is not a new Def Leppard album, nor is it an old Def Leppard record. It is Retro Active - a collection of songs which have appeared in various hard to find places or in certain cases never made it out of the studio until now.Ē Iíll be referring to the liner notes for the album and telling you their original release history as we go along here. The first thing to note here is that this is the very first release featuring performances from Vivian Campbell and sadly the last to feature any from Steve Clark.

Desert Song kicks us off and this is my favourite Def Leppard song. Did you expect me to say that? I bet you didnít. This thing just has a crushingly heavy riff for Def Leppard and itís HUGE! According to the liner notes, the  instrumental idea was written and completed during the Hysteria sessions but left unrecorded due to remaining lyricless. In 1993, Joe penned the lyrics on a ďday offĒ in Portugal during the Adrenalize tour, and the track was recorded shortly after that. My question follows along the lines of that used on many Adrenalize songs. Why was this not used in a proper album and why the hell have they not played this live? The second solo is from Steve Clark and is probably my favourite of his work, the clean bridge is the perfect relief (in which Savís bass fills are impeccable) and the difference between Joeís lower verse vocals and the higher choruses really sells me on the intensity. This song harkens back to Def Leppardís metal roots and absolutely smokes it. This song is immense, and if you arenít headbanging while this song is on, youíve got it very wrong indeed.

As Desert Song fades out, we get the sound of almost tribal percussion fading us into the nest song. Here we have Fractured Love, another leftover from the early Hysteria sessions.  Before Mutt Lange threw the idea of making ďPyromania 2Ē out the window in favour of making the Hysteria album, this was one of the strongest tracks they wrote. However, the intro was incomplete and the song was shelved. You can really hear the new work from 1993 compared to the original work from 1984, as once we kick into the full song the vocals change kinda drastically. This song is a banger, and Iím left wondering what the follow up to Pyromania could have been without Langeís push to make Hysteria what it became.

ďWe wanted to do a few cover tunes for the Adrenalize B-Sides, we chose this one because we are all big Sweet fans. ĎNuff saidĒ.
Track three is the B-Side from the Make Love Like A Man single, Action. This song sees itís way in and out of the setlist fairly regularly, having seen itís way as a bonus track on Mirror Ball and one of the two encore openers on the 2019 Vegas residency setlists. This cover is one of those that improve upon the originals and the Leppard version just oozes charisma. The group vocal is on point, the guitars are huge and thereís just a lot of great stuff here. This is the first performance credited to Vivian Campbell, here credited only for backing vocals.

Track four is easily the most successful song on Retro Active, Two Steps Behind. ďInspired by Joeís original demoĒ (we will get to that in roughly nine more songs) ďand done for fun acoustically, this song eventually surfaced as an extra track for a CD single release. Strings were added a year later when it was chosen for the ďLast Action HeroĒ movie soundtrack.Ē This song is still played frequently in Def Leppard concerts and it was a huge hit. This song was released as a band only version on the Make Love Like A Man single before strings were added by Michael Kamen (composer behind a lot of great film scores including Licence to Kill and Die Hard, as well as being the orchestral composer for The Wall and Metallicaís original S&M). This is Vivianís first appearance on guitar for the band too. Not much needs to be said about this one, itís a huge track and we all know it.
Personal story I can add is that this was actually played at my Mum and Dadís wedding!

Track five is Sheís Too Tough, a song written back in the Hysteria sessions by Joe but for a Canadian band named Helix. In 1992, Phil laid down new guitars and then the two Ricks came in and did their parts while Joe had a day off. This song uses Joeís original demo vocals from somewhere between 84 and 87 and this actually sounds really uncomfortable for Joe. This is a whole tone higher than Stagefright, so itís barely in Joeís range. Nonetheless, I like this song. Nice and shirt and wouldíve made for a great B-Side to Heaven Is, Tonight AND Stand Up (Kick Love Into Motion).

Track six, Miss You Like A Heartbeat,  is a similar story. This song was written Phil for a band called The Law in 1992. This version came about when Phil heard Joe messing around with the song on a piano, and was originally intended to just be a demo recording for just guitar, piano and vocal, but the song just kept growing as it often does in Leppard land. A demo version of this, the way that Phil originally wrote it was also on the Make Love single. This is actually a really moving ballad, and is another song that couldíve fit really nicely onto Adrenalize. As it is, this song was released as a single and it did pretty well for itself. Phil plays an almost Spanish inspired guitar solo here on the acoustic, and the whole sing just has a really good mood to it.

Track seven is easily my least favourite song on Retro Active, Only After Dark. This is a cover of a Mick Ronson song that was ďupdated and given the profile we felt it always deservedĒ. This song is a decent jam, but it just doesnít do very much for me ultimately. This was released as a B-Side for the Letís Get Rocked single, so I guess that whole single was a little disappointing ultimately. This is a cool enough song, but even at just under 4 minutes I feel like it goes on too long for the limited ideas presented. Rest In Peace Mick Ronson.

Track eight is the ultimate version of Ride Into the Sun. This is a slight update from the Hysteria B-Side. This has an added Honky Tonk piano intro by Ian Hunter of Mott the Hoople and David Bowie fame. Other than that, we have a better snare sound added in June of 93. I donít really have much I can say about this song, because the write up from the Hysteria B-Sides thread was pretty much all that needs to be said.

Track nine is an oddity known only as From The Inside. According to the liner notes, this song was originally written by Joe when he was asked to perform with the Hothouse Flowers for a late night TV Show. The two bands loved the song, and it appeared as a B-Side to Have You Ever Needed Someone So Bad. This is a really intriguing song, written about addiction from the point of view of the drugs. Itís an odd one to be sure, but a really welcome one. I donít think Leppard has another song that sounds like this, for better or for worse, but the song itself is actually really good. This showed up a fair few times on the Adrenalize tour and then showed up for some acoustic performances in 95, 96 and 2004. Statistically speaking, this is the most played song on Retro Active apart from Two Steps Behind.

Track ten and eleven both also emerge from the Hysteria sessions, Ring of Fire and I Wanna Be Your Hero. Ring of Fire has a way better intro for the Retro Active version, and I feel like the clean guitar swells within the second verse are a lot more crisp. This is a really great song, which saw a few live performances as a concert opener on the X tour. The liner notes say that this song was ďinspired byÖ ahh, you donít want to knowĒ. If I donít want to know writes songs this good, then keep doing whatever it is we donít get to know about!
I Wanna Be Your Hero was originally written under the name Love Bites, but the title was stolen and used for a much different song (which for me is kinda inferior). This version has a bit of a different intro, which brings the little lead guitar fills in a little earlier. This song is still a banger and shouldíve been on Hysteria for my money. The drums for both of these songs have been re-recorded and both songs were enhanced with more guitars (like that banging intro riff for Ring of Fire!) and chorus vocals in 1993. The issue I had with Hero on the B-Side version is removed and we get a proper fade out this time. Love it!

Track twelve is the original electric version of Miss You In A Heartbeat. The opening guitar swells are a thing of total beauty and this version of the song is actually the one I think I would tend to gravitate towards for an actual album, as it just has a great vibe. Joeís delivery on this is actually even a bit cleaner to me than that of the main version. The solo here is your run of the mill Phil, but thatís kinda what this version called for. I just really like this.

The closing track is a full band take on Joeís original demo of Two Steps Behind, and I actually love the fact that this is the closing track for no other reason than we actually get a Vivian Campbell guitar solo! This version of Two Steps Behind actually fundamentally changes the song, removing the main chord progression outside of the chorus. Rickís drumming feels a little too drum machine like, but he chucks in a few cool fills here and there. Joeís vocals on this version are nowhere near as good as they are on the main version of the song, but you get that. The whole song builds to that guitar solo, and even if itís a little short, itís a great intro to Vivian in the band and kinda reassures us that the band is in safe hands with him. One could almost view this whole album as a concept about Def Leppard learning to become a band again without Steve and looking into the future by letting go of these old songs once and for all. In doing so, I think itís an amazing release.

Now, see, after the closing track, thereís a hidden bonus track of just Joeís piano and vocal for Miss You In A Heartbeat. Itís kinda same old same old after youíve heard the main version. However, Iím instead going to touch on another song that was released only on the greatest hits collection in 1995, since it doesnít really have another chance to come into play. That song is called When Love and Hate Collide, from Vault. Why include it here? Well, it was said in an interview with Joe in 1995 that putting this song and the compilation as a whole out was to completely close the door on the Steve Clark before they put out Slang. When Love and Hate Collide is a very pretty sounding ballad which still makes its way out from time to time, mostly recently being played as part of the encore to the Hysteria 2018 tour. Itís your standard power ballad affair for Leppard, and this is actually one of their biggest songs in the UK. This one never did anything much for me, but I can see why it still gets attention.

So, Retro Active. It actually feels unfair to rate this album as it is a collection of leftovers, much as I couldnít rate leftover spaghetti bolognaise as a new meal. We have, in fact, already discussed three of these tracks during this deep dive already. But in looking at it now, and not being a live album, I kinda have to give it a rating. One would think that being a bunch of leftover songs would tend to mean that it shouldnít deserve to be ranked higher than any proper album, but I think it genuinely is. I also realised that I didnít give Adrenalize a rating, so Iím giving that a 3.75. Retro Active, I think Iím gonna give it a 4.5. This really holds up, flows well as an album and serves as a critical milestone in the bandís career.

And with the changing of the guard taken care of, we get to start the Vivian Campbell era. Join me on Monday for a discussion of the oft-maligned Slang!

This is so spot on!

Count me in as a huge fan of "Desert Song," and I can't wait to hear your thoughts on "Slang" (an album I quite enjoy)

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« Reply #128 on: May 14, 2022, 01:19:06 PM »
Iíve only heard Slang once, but I thought there was some cool stuff on it. Will have to check it out again.

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« Reply #129 on: May 14, 2022, 04:05:14 PM »

Retro Active - 1993
Vault - 1995

Tracklisting - 1. Desert Song. 2. Fractured Love. 3. Action. 4. Two Steps Behind5. Sheís Too Tough. 6. Miss You In A Heartbeat. 7. Only After Dark. 8. Ride Into The Sun. 9. From the Inside. 10. Ring of Fire. 11. I Wanna Be Your Hero12. Miss You In A Heartbeat (Electric Version). 13. Two Steps Behind (Electric Version) 14. Miss You In A Jeartbeat (Acoustic Version).
1. When Love and Hate Collide.


First off, Retroactive has a great cover!

I never bothered with it. Hysteria B-sides, movie soundtrack tunes and odds and ends.
I had the Hysteria B-sides, and I wasn't buying them again. I also had the Last Action Hero soundtrack.

The riff in Desert Song reminds me of China White. Considering what Def Leppard had become at this point, yeah, anyone would have to be happy with this.

I'd never heard She's Too Tough before. Joe's 80's vocal is awesome. This is a cool tune.

And yeah, From The Inside is really interesting.


Oh, and I love Action. I'm a huge Sweet fan as well. Love Phil's solo in this.
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« Reply #130 on: May 14, 2022, 06:06:03 PM »

Are the "Accoustic Hippies From Hell" actually the Hothouse Flowers? Who is credited instrumentally?

BTW, the Hothouse Flowers are fucking awesome!

More or less, yeah. I think thatís the combination of Leppard and Hothouse Flowers, who also did You Canít Always Get What You Want and Little Wing for the Have You Ever Needed Someone So Bad single. Credited in the liner notes are Vivian, Phil, Sav and Joe with Fiachna O Braonain on tin whistle, Liam O Maonlai on grand piano and Peter OíToole on mandolin.
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