2022 NFL Thread (Chiefs win Super Bowl 57)

[King Postwhore]

Yup. So right El Barto. I have so many pals on Facebook asking to start Zappe. Yeah, let's start this kid with an offensive coaching staff who are newbs.   

Are they that stupid?

[Skeever]

What an incredible game in Miami. I can't stand the Dolphins but it must feel special to be a fan right now.

Consolation prize for the Jets poor performance against the Bengals is now there will be no controversy when it comes to starting Zach Wilson next week.

[KevShmev]

The AFC West, which everyone thought would be the best division by far this season, has a collective record of 4-7 thus far.

[Skeever]

I could wind up eating these words as they mesh down the line, but man am I tired of seeing the Broncos in primetime slots. They are apparently going to be getting a Thursday night game in week five and then a Monday night game in week 6 before getting another Sunday night game toward the end of the season. I guess it looked better before the season started but now we're going to have to spend a third of the weeks of this season watching a lousy team. In primetime slots.

[KevShmev]

Yeah, what we need are more prime time games featuring Mitch Trubisky and Jacoby Brissett as the starting QBs. 

[Skeever]

Pretty sure even with Jacoby Brissett at QB the Browns aren't going three and out as often as the Broncos

[KevShmev]

If we knew a QB was going to run backwards in a safety today, deep down didn't we all know it would be Jimmy G?  That play summed him up in a nutshell. 

[Skeever]

Hope tonight's game is a lot better than last night's punt-fest. At least there's a Manningcast, so that should keep things interesting.

[Dublagent66]

If JG doesn't step out of the back of the endzone, they win the game.   My image of you is totally blown dude.

[KevShmev]

The best part was that he threw a pick-6 on the same play (that didn't count), so stepping out of bounds for the safety was the better result for them at the time. Funny how that happens.

[Dublagent66]

Yeah, I remember Tirico commented on that.  He said something like, this is probably the only time when a safety is a good thing. 

[pg1067]

Hope tonight's game is a lot better than last night's punt-fest. At least there's a Manningcast, so that should keep things interesting.

Has the Manningcast gotten better than when they first started it?  I checked out one of the first few, and it was one of the most annoying things ever.

The best part was that he threw a pick-6 on the same play (that didn't count), so stepping out of bounds for the safety was the better result for them at the time. Funny how that happens.

I was all over the map on that play.  I saw him go out the back and was cheering...then he threw the pick and I cheered even louder for a second before realizing that the play was already over.

As long as the Raiders remain winless, I'll be happy.

[KevShmev]

As long as the Raiders remain winless, I'll be happy.

You and me both.  Despite by abandonment of the Broncos, my hate for the Raiders as a team is still strong. 

With no allegiance to a specific team now and no fantasy football, watching the games has actually been a lot more fun. I am just rooting for good games. 

[Stadler]

So very nice to see both the Chiefs and Bills exposed as nothing special.  Pretty wild series of events the last couple of minutes of that Miami/Buffalo game.

Loved watching the oh-so-Brady-Esque chick fight between Mahomes and Bieniemy; Andy Reid needed to escort Patrick away. 

Other observations: ESPN is calling the Eagles the best team in the NFC; I think you have to beat better than Detroit, Washington and Minnesota for that but that’s just me.

Mike McDaniel at a press conference looks like he’s at ComicCon announcing the next StarTrek installment.   

Prediction: Neither the Eagles or the Dolphins make it past the first round of the playoffs.

[Stadler]

Hope tonight's game is a lot better than last night's punt-fest. At least there's a Manningcast, so that should keep things interesting.

Has the Manningcast gotten better than when they first started it?  I checked out one of the first few, and it was one of the most annoying things ever.

I love it.  I watch it over the game every week (except tonight; I’m in Florida at a bar).

[KevShmev]

Loved watching the oh-so-Brady-Esque chick fight between Mahomes and Bieniemy; Andy Reid needed to escort Patrick away. 

Other observations: ESPN is calling the Eagles the best team in the NFC; I think you have to beat better than Detroit, Washington and Minnesota for that but that’s just me.

Mike McDaniel at a press conference looks like he’s at ComicCon announcing the next StarTrek installment.   

Prediction: Neither the Eagles or the Dolphins make it past the first round of the playoffs.

McCoy said on FS1 today that Bieniemy argues with all of his players and doesn't even call the plays despite his OC title, so it makes me wonder why Reid keeps him around.  Sounds like other ex-Chiefs have had similar complaints about Bieniemy.

If I had to bet on which team makes a deeper playoff team between Miami and Philly, I'd probably go with the Eagles right now.  Part of that is because they play in the NFC, which appears not as strong as the AFC, but another part is that I am buying Hurts more than I am Tua going forward, and we all know the difference a QB can make.  The Tyreek Hill factor, though, can never be overlooked.

[Stadler]

Loved watching the oh-so-Brady-Esque chick fight between Mahomes and Bieniemy; Andy Reid needed to escort Patrick away. 

Other observations: ESPN is calling the Eagles the best team in the NFC; I think you have to beat better than Detroit, Washington and Minnesota for that but that’s just me.

Mike McDaniel at a press conference looks like he’s at ComicCon announcing the next StarTrek installment.   

Prediction: Neither the Eagles or the Dolphins make it past the first round of the playoffs.

McCoy said on FS1 today that Bieniemy argues with all of his players and doesn't even call the plays despite his OC title, so it makes me wonder why Reid keeps him around.  Sounds like other ex-Chiefs have had similar complaints about Bieniemy.

And yet… it’s racism as to why he’s not a head coach. 

If I had to bet on which team makes a deeper playoff team between Miami and Philly, I'd probably go with the Eagles right now.  Part of that is because they play in the NFC, which appears not as strong as the AFC, but another part is that I am buying Hurts more than I am Tua going forward, and we all know the difference a QB can make.  The Tyreek Hill factor, though, can never be overlooked.

I hate the Iggles, but that sounds about right.  Tough I think Hill was a bigger part of Mahomes’ success than we thought.  He looked lost trying to “create” without Hill.



By the way, I could have - and I would have - caught  that ball Lamb just dropped in NY.

[Skeever]

The Manning cast tonight shows you how the two of them and their guests can make a really bad Prime Time game into something fun and watchable. That said they just brought on Tracy Morgan so it's time for me to go to bed, easily one of the most annoying people on the planet right there.

[Dublagent66]

It was a bad primetime game for Giants fans.

[Skeever]

I thought Cooper Rush looked alright? Passes weren't great, but he DOES seem to grasp the offense well enough to keep Dallas in games. I guess that's the advantage to having even a mediocre backup who has been with the team for awhile a'la Geno Smith. They can run the playbook and system better than a perhaps more talented player who is coming in at the 11th hour.

[Dublagent66]

Cooper Rush played an excellent game and is better than most people think.  The numbers don't jump out at you, but they didn't need to.  2-0 as a starter going into a hostile environment.  He held his own and complimented a great defense.  I knew the D would show up, but wasn't totally sure about the offense.  It was a rare pleasant surprise.

[Dream Team]

^Along those lines, Russell Wilson is 2-1 despite not scoring more than 16 points. QBs getting too much credit as usual.

[hunnus2000]

Cooper Rush played an excellent game and is better than most people think.  The numbers don't jump out at you, but they didn't need to.  2-0 as a starter going into a hostile environment.  He held his own and complimented a great defense.  I knew the D would show up, but wasn't totally sure about the offense.  It was a rare pleasant surprise.

Only a Cowboys fan would understand that Rush is more of an asset than a liability. But how about the Dallas "D"? They have a lot of beasties that can get after you!  Starting with Parsons!

[Dublagent66]

Cooper Rush played an excellent game and is better than most people think.  The numbers don't jump out at you, but they didn't need to.  2-0 as a starter going into a hostile environment.  He held his own and complimented a great defense.  I knew the D would show up, but wasn't totally sure about the offense.  It was a rare pleasant surprise.

Only a Cowboys fan would understand that Rush is more of an asset than a liability. But how about the Dallas "D"? They have a lot of beasties that can get after you!  Starting with Parsons!

MP is great, but he wasn't 100%.  That left the door wide open for Lawrence.  He had a monster night!  Those 2 guys are the smash bros on D! 

[pg1067]

^Along those lines, Russell Wilson is 2-1 despite not scoring more than 16 points. QBs getting too much credit as usual.

Someone is giving Russell Wilson credit for something?  Broncos fans certainly aren't.

[Dream Team]

^Along those lines, Russell Wilson is 2-1 despite not scoring more than 16 points. QBs getting too much credit as usual.

Someone is giving Russell Wilson credit for something?  Broncos fans certainly aren't.

I’m talking about the QB WINZ! crowd.

[KevShmev]

I am not saying this is a Blesode/Brady situation, because Dak is not as good as Bledsoe was and I don't see Cooper Rush turning into Tom Brady, the QB situation in Dallas does feel a bit like that.  For whatever reason, the team plays better with Rush in there.  And with that defense becoming a top one thanks to Micah Parsons, who is a beast, an efficient QB like Rush is what you need, not a Prescott who wants to sling it to show that he is as good as the top pass throwers in the league when it's obvious that he isn't.

[KevShmev]

The top 5 MVP candidates section is still a few weeks away, but the power rankings are back!

Pre-Week 4 Power Rankings
01 Philadelphia Eagles - lost in the offensive fireworks is the fact that their defense is a top 5 so far
02 Miami Dolphins - hard to not take them seriously after wins at Baltimore and vs Buffalo
03 Buffalo Bills - still has the best knockout punch in the NFL, but 0-7 in close games since the start of the 2021 season is concerning
04 Kansas City Chiefs - their defense has been quite good, which could be key over the long haul as the offense struggles to find consistency in the post-Tyreek Hill era
05 Tampa Bay Bucs - offense has been bad so far, but even an aging Tom Brady will eventually get it together, and that defense is scary good
06 Jacksonville Jaguars - no clue if it will last, but shutting out the Colts and dismantling the Chargers was impressive as hell
07 Dallas Cowboys - McCarthy will eventually hold them back, but that defense is legit, led by the beast that is Micah Parsons
08 Baltimore Ravens - their defense looks like a mess, but Lamar Jackson is all-world so far this season
09 LA Rams - the defending champs get the respect, but there are major cracks in their foundation
10 Green Bay Packers - talks of their demise were greatly exaggerated, as their defense has been very good so far, and you know Rodgers will get on the same page with his receivers sooner rather than later

[Stadler]

Cooper Rush played an excellent game and is better than most people think.  The numbers don't jump out at you, but they didn't need to.  2-0 as a starter going into a hostile environment.  He held his own and complimented a great defense.  I knew the D would show up, but wasn't totally sure about the offense.  It was a rare pleasant surprise.

I think I agree with this; I'm not writing off Dallas at this point, at least not because of Cooper Rush.

[Stadler]

Cooper Rush played an excellent game and is better than most people think.  The numbers don't jump out at you, but they didn't need to.  2-0 as a starter going into a hostile environment.  He held his own and complimented a great defense.  I knew the D would show up, but wasn't totally sure about the offense.  It was a rare pleasant surprise.

Only a Cowboys fan would understand that Rush is more of an asset than a liability. But how about the Dallas "D"? They have a lot of beasties that can get after you!  Starting with Parsons!

Parsons is turning into the defensive Patrick Mahomes; my god, listening to the announcers on Monday talk about him you'd think Lawrence Butkus just came back out of retirement.  My god.  He's played a season and a half for fuck's sake, and his team hasn't won dick.  When he dominates a Super Bowl - like Aaron Donald did - or makes teams restructure their entire offense - like LT did - then we can talk. 

[Dublagent66]

Cooper Rush played an excellent game and is better than most people think.  The numbers don't jump out at you, but they didn't need to.  2-0 as a starter going into a hostile environment.  He held his own and complimented a great defense.  I knew the D would show up, but wasn't totally sure about the offense.  It was a rare pleasant surprise.

Only a Cowboys fan would understand that Rush is more of an asset than a liability. But how about the Dallas "D"? They have a lot of beasties that can get after you!  Starting with Parsons!

Parsons is turning into the defensive Patrick Mahomes; my god, listening to the announcers on Monday talk about him you'd think Lawrence Butkus just came back out of retirement.  My god.  He's played a season and a half for fuck's sake, and his team hasn't won dick.  When he dominates a Super Bowl - like Aaron Donald did - or makes teams restructure their entire offense - like LT did - then we can talk.

Teams don't need SB wins for talent to be recognized.  The league is much more complex than that.

[Stadler]

Cooper Rush played an excellent game and is better than most people think.  The numbers don't jump out at you, but they didn't need to.  2-0 as a starter going into a hostile environment.  He held his own and complimented a great defense.  I knew the D would show up, but wasn't totally sure about the offense.  It was a rare pleasant surprise.

Only a Cowboys fan would understand that Rush is more of an asset than a liability. But how about the Dallas "D"? They have a lot of beasties that can get after you!  Starting with Parsons!

Parsons is turning into the defensive Patrick Mahomes; my god, listening to the announcers on Monday talk about him you'd think Lawrence Butkus just came back out of retirement.  My god.  He's played a season and a half for fuck's sake, and his team hasn't won dick.  When he dominates a Super Bowl - like Aaron Donald did - or makes teams restructure their entire offense - like LT did - then we can talk.

Teams don't need SB wins for talent to be recognized.  The league is much more complex than that.

I understand that; I admit I lean towards wins a lot, but I do get there's more to it.  But where I was really going is where I went with Patrick too:  The first time or two through the league isn't indicative.  For me, to be considered one of the "greats" you need:

- To be great;
- To do it after you've given the Shanahans, the Belichicks, the Tomlins a couple three or four times through to get a read on what you do;
- To do it after you've gone through at least one, maybe two, iterations of the team around you.  The average career of an NFL player is about 3.5 years.  So maybe at least four or five years of greatness?
- To do it in games where everything is on the line, where everyone is focused on you, and the other team has spent two straight weeks of scheming for YOU.

Mahomes - just by way of example - has covered most of these, but not all. He's living in a post-Hill world, and I've seen him struggle with that "creativity" phase, without Hill being there to get free with his speed.  Parsons has only really accomplished the first line. He's got a long way to go.

[Dublagent66]

Cooper Rush played an excellent game and is better than most people think.  The numbers don't jump out at you, but they didn't need to.  2-0 as a starter going into a hostile environment.  He held his own and complimented a great defense.  I knew the D would show up, but wasn't totally sure about the offense.  It was a rare pleasant surprise.

Only a Cowboys fan would understand that Rush is more of an asset than a liability. But how about the Dallas "D"? They have a lot of beasties that can get after you!  Starting with Parsons!

Parsons is turning into the defensive Patrick Mahomes; my god, listening to the announcers on Monday talk about him you'd think Lawrence Butkus just came back out of retirement.  My god.  He's played a season and a half for fuck's sake, and his team hasn't won dick.  When he dominates a Super Bowl - like Aaron Donald did - or makes teams restructure their entire offense - like LT did - then we can talk.

Teams don't need SB wins for talent to be recognized.  The league is much more complex than that.

I understand that; I admit I lean towards wins a lot, but I do get there's more to it.  But where I was really going is where I went with Patrick too:  The first time or two through the league isn't indicative.  For me, to be considered one of the "greats" you need:

- To be great;
- To do it after you've given the Shanahans, the Belichicks, the Tomlins a couple three or four times through to get a read on what you do;
- To do it after you've gone through at least one, maybe two, iterations of the team around you.  The average career of an NFL player is about 3.5 years.  So maybe at least four or five years of greatness?
- To do it in games where everything is on the line, where everyone is focused on you, and the other team has spent two straight weeks of scheming for YOU.

Mahomes - just by way of example - has covered most of these, but not all. He's living in a post-Hill world, and I've seen him struggle with that "creativity" phase, without Hill being there to get free with his speed.  Parsons has only really accomplished the first line. He's got a long way to go.

Of course Parsons has a long way to go.  That's only gonna make him better.  That goes for any of the young, talented players.  You can't compare a QB's success to a LB's success.  Two entirely different animals on opposite sides of the ball.  So, what's your point beyond what we already know?

[Stadler]

^^^ I don't know that "we" DO "already know it".  I keep having to have this conversation over and over.  There are still people that either think Mahomes is the GOAT, or is so far along the road to it that it's a fait accompli.   He is neither.  He is a great player now, that has a lot to prove to show he is a great player over time.  And if Mahomes is just on the highway, then Parsons isn't even on the on-ramp yet.  He's only played against Belichick once, and barely won in OT, with the defense giving up I think 26 points to the rookie Mac Jones.  He's played against TB (and TB) twice, and lost both times.  He's played against SF (in the playoffs) and lost.  He's played against KC once, and lost.   He's never played against the Rams. Let's see what happens when he goes through the rotations a couple more times, no?

[KevShmev]

As if we didn't know already, but the NFL couldn't give a flying crap about concussions. Tua was clearly concussed last week and allowed to re-enter the game...and then look what happened tonight. Two concussions in five days could be damaging to his long term health.  The NFL and the Dolphins both really shit the bed on this one.