2022 NFL Thread (Chiefs win Super Bowl 57)

[TAC]

KC won't be fighting for the 1 seed. They will be duking it out with the Chargers for 2nd place in the AFC West after the Broncos clinch the division. 

While I expect the Broncos to win tonight, I feel like they are going into the season a tad overrated.

I don't get why Patriots fans hate Mahomes.  Oh, he is a threat to Brady's GOATness, right?  And the way the media talks him up is his fault, right?   

I love Pat Mahomes. The guy is amazing.

[El Barto]

I don't get why Patriots fans hate Mahomes.  Oh, he is a threat to Brady's GOATness, right?  And the way the media talks him up is his fault, right?   

I don't hate the guy. I just think we need to let him play out more than a quarter of his career before we anoint him the second coming. It's the same problem I had with St. Rodgers. I will add that the kid's definitely believing his own hype, as we saw when he knocked his team out of the playoffs last year thinking he really was Superman. That doesn't make me hate the kid, but it sure does make me chuckle when he folds up. Like I said last January, a dose of humility might do him good.

Cooper Rush!   .  They played a clip with Jerry Jones on Rob Dibble's show, and dammit, I almost felt bad for him.  He was clearly distraught.   I don't think for Dad the person, but for his team. 

Time's running out. Say what you will about the crazy old fuck, he really does love the team, and not all of the problems have been unforced errors. I think he's trying to do right, but he just can't understand the nature of the problem he's created. That actually does make him something of a tragic figure.

[TAC]

To me, it's always the coverage. That's also why I rarely listen to a game when it's on.

I have zero issue with Mahomes on the field. I think he's incredible.

[KevShmev]

Broncos D is a bit of a WTF so far.  Geno f'ing Smith should not be looking this good.

[KevShmev]

Broncos new coach is already the biggest dumbass in the league.  Unreal.

[Skeever]

Broncos new coach is already the biggest dumbass in the league.  Unreal.

They should have won that game with just one of those End Zone fumbles taken away but seriously, imagine spending big on getting a future Hall of Fame quarterback and then not even trusting them to get you five yards when the game is on the line.

[KevShmev]

I am officially off the Broncos bandwagon. They are no longer my team.  I cannot be a fan of a team with a coach this stupid.  It was a good run.

[Cool Chris]

I am officially off the Broncos bandwagon. They are no longer my team.  I cannot be a fan of a team with a coach this stupid.  It was a good run.

Enjoy your multiple years of Wilson's diminished skills and weirdness!

[faizoff]

So weird to be hearing Tirico on SNF and then Joe and Troy on ESPN. Those last few minutes were whole WTF moments from the Broncos.

[El Barto]

Broncos new coach is already the biggest dumbass in the league.  Unreal.

They should have won that game with just one of those End Zone fumbles taken away but seriously, imagine spending big on getting a future Hall of Fame quarterback and then not even trusting them to get you five yards when the game is on the line.

In all fairness he took three shots and they were all kind of ugly. I probably would have trusted my D and my K more than him, too,  after seeing that. I kind of see it like standing on 19. It's almost always the smart move, and a lot of the time it'll still get you burned.

[Skeever]

Broncos new coach is already the biggest dumbass in the league.  Unreal.

They should have won that game with just one of those End Zone fumbles taken away but seriously, imagine spending big on getting a future Hall of Fame quarterback and then not even trusting them to get you five yards when the game is on the line.

In all fairness he took three shots and they were all kind of ugly. I probably would have trusted my D and my K more than him, too,  after seeing that. I kind of see it like standing on 19. It's almost always the smart move, and a lot of the time it'll still get you burned.

He looked pretty bad every time he hero balled. By the way, Geno got away with a lot of bad play too. I'm kinda shocked both QBs got out of that game without turning the ball over.

But I'm not saying he should have taken it to the endzone. I'm taking about the decision to run the clock down on 4th down and 5 from having almost a minute and 3 time outs left to 20 seconds. Shoulda had a play ready and trusted Russ to be able to get you at least 5 yards and the first down, making things a bit easier for the kicker.

[jammindude]

I agree. Having over a minute left and all your timeouts and yet CHOOSING to run down the clock for a 64 yard FG is nothing short of bafflingly stupid.

[Dublagent66]

Yeah, no shit.  Denver's coach is almost as dumb as Jerry Jones and Geno Smith of all QB's is the evening's hero.  Try not to get used to that Pete Carroll

[Skeever]

Yeah, no shit.  Denver's coach is almost as dumb as Jerry Jones and Geno Smith of all QB's is the evening's hero.  Try not to get used to that Pete Carroll

The Broncos flat-out disrespected Geno to start the game. Assuming he would not hit open guys down the field even if you left them totally open and put pressure on them. If Geno's got one thing I remember even from the Jets days, it's poise. Once he got a big head, he started to make some stupid decisions.

Also once the Broncos started respecting that Geno wasn't incompetent his productivity really tapered off. That said, the Seahawks have a pretty winnable schedule in the first half. Would not be surprised if they are in the hunt for a majority of the season.

[Dream Team]

So the other things I enjoyed the most about opening week were of course my Steelers effing up that cocky, mouthy Joe Burrow and Russell Wilson losing in Seattle  .

[Stadler]

I don't get why Patriots fans hate Mahomes.  Oh, he is a threat to Brady's GOATness, right?  And the way the media talks him up is his fault, right?   

I don't hate him, first.  It has nothing to do with him as a person.  Maybe it's something I have to overcome from my childhood, but there are just too many people willing to bestow "greatness" at the drop of a hat. The only thing - the ONLY thing - I don't like about Mahomes is when he tries his fandango underhanded overhand sidearm bullshit and it doesn't work and he looks like a petulant kid. But that's a me problem, and I've never once ever voiced that here, until now.

My only beef is in general the bestowing of greatness before he's actually ACHIEVED that greatness.  The "annointing" as Bill Parcells says.  And since you brought up Brady, do you think there might be one or two people - not saying here, but maybe - that are OVER-celebrating Mahomes so we DON'T have to keep talking about Brady (he says impishly and with a big smile)? 

ED:  Ninja'd, perfectly, by El Barto.  What he said. 

[Stadler]

Yeah, no shit.  Denver's coach is almost as dumb as Jerry Jones and Geno Smith of all QB's is the evening's hero.  Try not to get used to that Pete Carroll

The Broncos flat-out disrespected Geno to start the game. Assuming he would not hit open guys down the field even if you left them totally open and put pressure on them. If Geno's got one thing I remember even from the Jets days, it's poise. Once he got a big head, he started to make some stupid decisions.

Also once the Broncos started respecting that Geno wasn't incompetent his productivity really tapered off. That said, the Seahawks have a pretty winnable schedule in the first half. Would not be surprised if they are in the hunt for a majority of the season.

If Pete Carroll can keep Geno in his zone, they can be decent.  He looked very good at times.  I don't think it will take much for his head to inflate - he was preening a bit during the post game interview: "Were you upset that Seattle fans wrote you off at the start of the pre-season?" "Yeah, they wrote me off, but I didn't write back!" - but until it does, and he can get the ball to Penny and Metcalf, you have to respect him.

[Dublagent66]

Typical week 1 reactions both good and bad, but it's still the first week.  Nobody knows much of anything...yet.

[hunnus2000]

Typical week 1 reactions both good and bad, but it's still the first week.  Nobody knows much of anything...yet.

Dublagent for the win! 

[Dublagent66]

   Just trying grasp a shred of sanity in an insane league. 

[KevShmev]

I don't get why Patriots fans hate Mahomes.  Oh, he is a threat to Brady's GOATness, right?  And the way the media talks him up is his fault, right?   

I don't hate him, first.  It has nothing to do with him as a person.  Maybe it's something I have to overcome from my childhood, but there are just too many people willing to bestow "greatness" at the drop of a hat. The only thing - the ONLY thing - I don't like about Mahomes is when he tries his fandango underhanded overhand sidearm bullshit and it doesn't work and he looks like a petulant kid. But that's a me problem, and I've never once ever voiced that here, until now.

My only beef is in general the bestowing of greatness before he's actually ACHIEVED that greatness.  The "annointing" as Bill Parcells says.  And since you brought up Brady, do you think there might be one or two people - not saying here, but maybe - that are OVER-celebrating Mahomes so we DON'T have to keep talking about Brady (he says impishly and with a big smile)? 

ED:  Ninja'd, perfectly, by El Barto.  What he said. 

I know we have been over this before, but I don't see anything wrong with gushing over greatness in real time rather than waiting 15 years to how a career plays out and then thinking, "Damn, I wish I would have enjoyed that more in the moment."  Now, the premature GOAT is talk was annoying of course, but there will always be those who love to bloviate when it comes to sports. I just pray I am not one of those people. 

[Stadler]

I don't get why Patriots fans hate Mahomes.  Oh, he is a threat to Brady's GOATness, right?  And the way the media talks him up is his fault, right?   

I don't hate him, first.  It has nothing to do with him as a person.  Maybe it's something I have to overcome from my childhood, but there are just too many people willing to bestow "greatness" at the drop of a hat. The only thing - the ONLY thing - I don't like about Mahomes is when he tries his fandango underhanded overhand sidearm bullshit and it doesn't work and he looks like a petulant kid. But that's a me problem, and I've never once ever voiced that here, until now.

My only beef is in general the bestowing of greatness before he's actually ACHIEVED that greatness.  The "annointing" as Bill Parcells says.  And since you brought up Brady, do you think there might be one or two people - not saying here, but maybe - that are OVER-celebrating Mahomes so we DON'T have to keep talking about Brady (he says impishly and with a big smile)? 

ED:  Ninja'd, perfectly, by El Barto.  What he said. 

I know we have been over this before, but I don't see anything wrong with gushing over greatness in real time rather than waiting 15 years to how a career plays out and then thinking, "Damn, I wish I would have enjoyed that more in the moment."  Now, the premature GOAT is talk was annoying of course, but there will always be those who love to bloviate when it comes to sports. I just pray I am not one of those people. 

I don't even mind a little gushing.  Admire good play when you see it.  But our society now is OBSESSED with absolutes; he can't be just "a good player", he's got to be "the GOAT".  Patriots can't just lose a game, it's got to be "Belichick is an ass and he's done!".  We do nothing in moderation in our country, and it's annoying is all.   

[TheCountOfNYC]

I don't get why Patriots fans hate Mahomes.  Oh, he is a threat to Brady's GOATness, right?  And the way the media talks him up is his fault, right?   

I don't hate him, first.  It has nothing to do with him as a person.  Maybe it's something I have to overcome from my childhood, but there are just too many people willing to bestow "greatness" at the drop of a hat. The only thing - the ONLY thing - I don't like about Mahomes is when he tries his fandango underhanded overhand sidearm bullshit and it doesn't work and he looks like a petulant kid. But that's a me problem, and I've never once ever voiced that here, until now.

My only beef is in general the bestowing of greatness before he's actually ACHIEVED that greatness.  The "annointing" as Bill Parcells says.  And since you brought up Brady, do you think there might be one or two people - not saying here, but maybe - that are OVER-celebrating Mahomes so we DON'T have to keep talking about Brady (he says impishly and with a big smile)? 

ED:  Ninja'd, perfectly, by El Barto.  What he said. 

I know we have been over this before, but I don't see anything wrong with gushing over greatness in real time rather than waiting 15 years to how a career plays out and then thinking, "Damn, I wish I would have enjoyed that more in the moment."  Now, the premature GOAT is talk was annoying of course, but there will always be those who love to bloviate when it comes to sports. I just pray I am not one of those people. 

I don't even mind a little gushing.  Admire good play when you see it.  But our society now is OBSESSED with absolutes; he can't be just "a good player", he's got to be "the GOAT".  Patriots can't just lose a game, it's got to be "Belichick is an ass and he's done!".  We do nothing in moderation in our country, and it's annoying is all.   

That’s fair. I think it’s fair to say “Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen are the two best quarterbacks in the league today” but they haven’t played long enough to be in that all time great conversation yet.

[Dublagent66]

I would also add Justin Herbert to the conversation as one of the best in the league.

[hefdaddy42]

I would also add Justin Herbert to the conversation as one of the best in the league.

Man, he is awfully good.  He will be a fun one to watch over the next 5-10 years.

[Skeever]

I think Mahomes deserves all-time great status, even if he falls off a cliff. When someone is as indisputably "the man" as he was the year he went MVP and SBMVP, as well as a top player in the league 4 years in a row, that's enough for me. Greatness is not just a measure of longevity, but can also be something to a fixed time and place. I get the annoyance that we have with cannonizing new "best ever's", generally speaking.  But to say that Mahomes isn't one of the greatest of all time is to say that Hendrix or Cobain aren't, and just get credited for it because they died.  IMO, Mahomes has been "the Man" long enough. Whether he's an all-time great is not really a discussion anymore, we're just figuring out where he ranks in all-time greatness now, understanding that at least 2 all-time great QBs are active in the league currently, and may rank out way ahead of him when all's said and done (Brady and Rodgers).

[Dublagent66]

I would also add Justin Herbert to the conversation as one of the best in the league.

Man, he is awfully good.  He will be a fun one to watch over the next 5-10 years.

Yeah, I can see him taking the Chargers to the SB within the next couple years.  Wouldn't surprise me at all.

[KevShmev]

Justin Herbert is getting the Mahomes treatment already even though he has yet to make the playoffs and still has a losing record as a starter.  At least Mahomes has been the MVP, won a Super Bowl and mostly been a terrific playoff performer.  I agree that Herbert looks fantastic, but can he maybe make a playoff game or *gasp" win one before we crown him?

Whew, sorry, that was my inner Stadler.

[TheCountOfNYC]

Justin Herbert is getting the Mahomes treatment already even though he has yet to make the playoffs and still has a losing record as a starter.  At least Mahomes has been the MVP, won a Super Bowl and mostly been a terrific playoff performer.  I agree that Herbert looks fantastic, but can he maybe make a playoff game or *gasp" win one before we crown him?

Whew, sorry, that was my inner Stadler.

It’s fair though. I’m a fan of Herbert, but Philip Rivers was also a great QB who only took the Chargers past the second round of the playoffs once, and there’s been plenty of discussion about his legacy on here with most agreeing that he can’t be placed in the upper echelon of quarterbacks because of his inability to bring sustained success to the organization.

[DragonAttack]

There was a game Monday night?

I tuned in, and then instantly tuned out as soon as I saw the street crossing guard unis of the Seahawks. 

I HATE THOSE FRICKIN' things!   

Can't we just go back to the old basics for all teams?

[jammindude]

I love the action green! They are my favorite uniforms of all time! I even bought a Seahawks action green shirt for game days!

Of course, I used to like the old Creamsicle uniforms that Tampa Bay used to have back in the day. So what do I know?

[Stadler]

I think Mahomes deserves all-time great status, even if he falls off a cliff. When someone is as indisputably "the man" as he was the year he went MVP and SBMVP, as well as a top player in the league 4 years in a row, that's enough for me. Greatness is not just a measure of longevity, but can also be something to a fixed time and place. I get the annoyance that we have with cannonizing new "best ever's", generally speaking.  But to say that Mahomes isn't one of the greatest of all time is to say that Hendrix or Cobain aren't, and just get credited for it because they died.  IMO, Mahomes has been "the Man" long enough. Whether he's an all-time great is not really a discussion anymore, we're just figuring out where he ranks in all-time greatness now, understanding that at least 2 all-time great QBs are active in the league currently, and may rank out way ahead of him when all's said and done (Brady and Rodgers).

I don't necessarily disagree with your opinion, but this is the Kurt Warner issue.  He did it twice, and when the Hall Of Fame came calling, it was a rather vigorous debate, since he DIDN'T have the career numbers.  It's fine to say that someone had the greatest SEASON of all time, but I think whatever body of work you have, it should be viewed in the totality.   Hendrix and Cobain (and Rhoads) died; that's a big point.   What they did was great, but they didn't have the chance to put out their own version of "Music... From The Elder" or "Black Clouds and Silver Linings".   I don't really think it will happen, but if defenses catch up, and he has ten seasons of average, you can't compare him to Hendrix any longer.  It's the average that is now the defining metric.   At this point, Mahomes isn't even Dan Marino, who had some monster seasons, but ended up with a 17-year career of monster seasons (more or less). 

[Stadler]

Justin Herbert is getting the Mahomes treatment already even though he has yet to make the playoffs and still has a losing record as a starter.  At least Mahomes has been the MVP, won a Super Bowl and mostly been a terrific playoff performer.  I agree that Herbert looks fantastic, but can he maybe make a playoff game or *gasp" win one before we crown him?

Whew, sorry, that was my inner Stadler.

It feels good, buddy, doesn't it?  Let it out!   

[hefdaddy42]

Justin Herbert is getting the Mahomes treatment already even though he has yet to make the playoffs and still has a losing record as a starter.  At least Mahomes has been the MVP, won a Super Bowl and mostly been a terrific playoff performer.  I agree that Herbert looks fantastic, but can he maybe make a playoff game or *gasp" win one before we crown him?

Whew, sorry, that was my inner Stadler.

[Dream Team]

Should be a great game tonight. Herbert is scary good. We all know Andy Reid hates to run the ball but the running game would be a good strategy to slow down that great pass rush of Bosa and Mack. We'll see what he does.