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Re: ETERNALS - Spoilers Inside (On cinemas November 5th, 2021)
« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2021, 06:40:37 PM »
I keep hearing buzz about phase 4 being a downturn so far, and I feel like itís grossly premature to say that.

I hardly count BW since it technically takes place in the phase 3 timeline. Shang-Chi (as I stated in that thread) is an incredible film that easily enters the top half (maybe top 6?) of the movies, and definitely improves with a 2nd viewing. And The Eternals isnít going over that well, but most agree that it at least trying to be different. And most of the shows have been pretty successful with generally very positive feedback.

Thatís really just 2 films...one excellent, one not so much. And 4 TV shows, with What If being the only one with fairly meh feedback.

So Iím not seeing this supposed drop in quality that some sites are buzzing on.

Even before Endgame, we had a share of movies that got very ďmehĒ feedback. Black Panther and Captain Marvel leap immediately to mind. So I think the MCU is just moving forward with the pattern of keeping up a good over arching story, with some parts being wonderful and others just being averagely entertaining.

But this might be a post for the main MCU thread
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Re: ETERNALS - Spoilers Inside (On cinemas November 5th, 2021)
« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2021, 10:03:28 PM »
It seems to me they needed the deviants to explain their non-interaction policy.

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Re: ETERNALS - Spoilers Inside (On cinemas November 5th, 2021)
« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2021, 12:11:13 AM »
The Deviants were definitely not a great aspect. I enjoyed the fight scenes well enough but, again no emotional engagement.

The Sprite story was almost interesting. In the Black Hammer comics there's a character called Golden Gail who is stuck in a girl's body and she's really fucking bitter, smokes endlessly, etc. She may well be based on Sprite for all i know (I'm not well versed in superhero comics but BH is an homage to classic tropes). That could have been cool.

The mute Eternal was great and I loved the inclusion. Didn't feel at all forced but we knew nothing about her again. Her character did start to show cracks in the wider hero comics source material, however. She's a mute Flash. Ikaris is a god Superman. These super-powered characters start to lose their individuality and impact once you realise they're, you know, almost exactly the same as other characters.
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Re: ETERNALS - Spoilers Inside (On cinemas November 5th, 2021)
« Reply #38 on: November 22, 2021, 12:52:12 AM »
I thought having Makkari be deaf made a lot of sense given her speed ability. The sonic booms would be deafening after all, so being dear made it easier for her to run without worrying about the sound. She was criminally underused though. Same with Druig and Gilgamesh.

If a second Eternals film happens, let's hope they really hone in on the remaining characters (and the one/two new ones as seen in the mid-credits scene) and give them solid plots/motivations.

There's been a lot of chatter about how this might have been better served as a Disney+ series with an episode focusing on an Eternal or two. I could've seen them stretch and flesh things out with an episode about Sersi and Sprite living in London, another full one about Thena and Gilgamesh, one for Druig and Kingo and their opposing lifestyles (the former becoming reclusive while the latter basks in the spotlight), one for Phastos (because he reeeeeally needed more), and one for Ajak and Ikaris. Then pepper Makkari throughout each of them as she speeds across the world through different ages of mankind gathering items for her collection.

Honestly, I would like it more if we saw then all again in a Disney+ series rather than a film, but we know they want a huge budget for it so it'll probably be another 2.5 hour film rather than a 6-episode series. Maybe we can get a prequel series starring the ones who weren't fleshed out in the film like Phastos, Makkari, and Gilgamesh?

As for my personal ranking, it lands 18th out of the 26 films released so far, but depending on how the film is recontextualized with future installments, it could move up later on.

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Re: ETERNALS - Spoilers Inside (On cinemas November 5th, 2021)
« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2021, 07:15:17 AM »
One thing that I kept thinking while watching this film was, what was up with the the DC references? I can't remember them now except calling Ikaris superman, but there were a few in there.

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Re: ETERNALS - Spoilers Inside (On cinemas November 5th, 2021)
« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2021, 08:06:59 AM »
One thing that I kept thinking while watching this film was, what was up with the the DC references? I can't remember them now except calling Ikaris superman, but there were a few in there.

Gilgamesh called Karun "Alfred" in relation to Kingo. I believe that was it though. Yeah it's weird that Marvel is referencing DC in-universe but they've done it before. In Raimi's Spider-Man 2, Aunt May says to Peter "you're not Superman."

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Re: ETERNALS - Spoilers Inside (On cinemas November 5th, 2021)
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2022, 02:21:38 PM »
So this is coming to Disney+ tomorrow. Planning to re-watch it over the weekend to see if my initial impression still holds.

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Re: ETERNALS - Spoilers Inside (On cinemas November 5th, 2021)
« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2022, 03:16:02 PM »
As it stands right now, I enjoyed it but itís probably in the lower tier of the MCU movies overall.

However, that could change drastically depending on how they develop the larger story and itís relevance in phase 4.
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Re: ETERNALS - Spoilers Inside (On cinemas November 5th, 2021)
« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2022, 03:18:45 PM »
As it stands right now, I enjoyed it but itís probably in the lower tier of the MCU movies overall.

However, that could change drastically depending on how they develop the larger story and itís relevance in phase 4.

The MCU has a habit of reframing older films to become suddenly very important when it connects to something later on. I think we may see them doing that with the Eternals and their story. Having Starfox show up at the end is probably a bigger deal than we thought originally. I won't be surprised if we get some connection to the Eternals in Thor: Love And Thunder and/or The Marvels. The cosmic side of the MCU is going to take off into some wild directions by the time we get to GOTG Vol. 3 in May 2023.

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Re: ETERNALS - Spoilers Inside (On cinemas November 5th, 2021)
« Reply #44 on: January 14, 2022, 10:56:56 PM »
Since it's free now on Disney+, we checked it out tonight.  I thought it was very entertaining.  It kept me on board for the entire 2.5 hours.  I kinda get the criticism that there were too many characters, but they were introduced one or two at a time and had distinct personalities, so there was no confusion.  A few could have been developed a little more, sure, but each had a part in the story and I liked that there were some who played larger roles and some who didn't.  In any group of people, even immortals or superheroes, there are different personalities and those who stand out more and tend to do more.

Yeah, the shift from the Deviants as primary enemies to their own creator (as far as we know) being the "bad guy" was bizarre.  But it was also unexpected and kept things moving along.  It changed the focus and was different.

That's somewhat my overall assessment.  I like that they're trying different things, and I like being surprised by things.  Maybe not a great movie overall by some standards, but it kept me interested and entertained.  I laughed at the funny, I jumped when things made me jump, I was bummed when I was supposed to be bummed.  It was an entertaining movie.  I'm not as obsessed with ranking everything as some people around here, so I'll just say that it was a worthy entry in the MCU and leave it at that.

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Re: ETERNALS - Spoilers Inside (On cinemas November 5th, 2021)
« Reply #45 on: January 15, 2022, 01:33:26 AM »
Since it's free now on Disney+, we checked it out tonight.  I thought it was very entertaining.  It kept me on board for the entire 2.5 hours.  I kinda get the criticism that there were too many characters, but they were introduced one or two at a time and had distinct personalities, so there was no confusion.  A few could have been developed a little more, sure, but each had a part in the story and I liked that there were some who played larger roles and some who didn't.  In any group of people, even immortals or superheroes, there are different personalities and those who stand out more and tend to do more.

Yeah, the shift from the Deviants as primary enemies to their own creator (as far as we know) being the "bad guy" was bizarre.  But it was also unexpected and kept things moving along.  It changed the focus and was different.

That's somewhat my overall assessment.  I like that they're trying different things, and I like being surprised by things.  Maybe not a great movie overall by some standards, but it kept me interested and entertained.  I laughed at the funny, I jumped when things made me jump, I was bummed when I was supposed to be bummed.  It was an entertaining movie.  I'm not as obsessed with ranking everything as some people around here, so I'll just say that it was a worthy entry in the MCU and leave it at that.
Same, watched it yesterday and liked it a lot, agree with pretty much everything you said.

I'll also add that I liked the writing and pacing. It was slower than other MCU films for sure but that was a nice shift and worked well.

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Re: ETERNALS - Spoilers Inside (On cinemas November 5th, 2021)
« Reply #46 on: January 16, 2022, 04:26:24 PM »
Was way better than I expected. Felt like a DCEU film plotwise, but actually competent and fun to watch. Still not a great film or anything, but I am a bit confused at all the hate it got.

I am, however, not sure if I like this lore within the MCU. I think I would've preferred if it took place on another planet with a civilization close to humans. Earth already has had plenty of ancient threats and artefacts in this universe, it being like an egg for a giant alien god feels a bit too much.

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Re: ETERNALS - Spoilers Inside (On cinemas November 5th, 2021)
« Reply #47 on: January 16, 2022, 04:50:24 PM »
I too really enjoyed Eternals. I liked it more than Black Widow. I also like the potential for the future of the MCU that this introduces.

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Re: ETERNALS - Spoilers Inside (On cinemas November 5th, 2021)
« Reply #48 on: January 16, 2022, 11:27:46 PM »
I still stand by my opinion that this is easily the worst MCU film by a huge margin, and I'm borderline offended that Feige thought it was good enough to be part of the MCU. 
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Re: ETERNALS - Spoilers Inside (On cinemas November 5th, 2021)
« Reply #49 on: Today at 06:48:50 AM »
I still stand by my opinion that this is easily the worst MCU film by a huge margin, and I'm borderline offended that Feige thought it was good enough to be part of the MCU.

Definitely near the bottom for me but still ahead of Hulk, BW, and the first two Thors at least.

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Re: ETERNALS - Spoilers Inside (On cinemas November 5th, 2021)
« Reply #50 on: Today at 08:56:02 AM »
I still think Iron Man 2 is the nadir of the MCU.

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Re: ETERNALS - Spoilers Inside (On cinemas November 5th, 2021)
« Reply #51 on: Today at 09:02:21 AM »
I am in the minority, but I think Black Widow is the worst, by a big margin. And unlike many of the other films it feels kinda useless to the MCU as a whole too. The Thors had some redeeming qualities (mainly Thor/Loki interactions) and within the MCU series as a whole they feel important and what they set up paid off (Endgame Thor stuff, for example).  Same goes for Iron Man 2, from a character point of view it does it's job well of developing Tony.

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« Reply #52 on: Today at 09:21:37 AM »
If I remember correctly, Favreau mentioned that there was a lot of pressure from the studio on Iron Man 2. That pushed him to not direct any more movies in MCU. Similar thing happened with Thor 2's Director Alan Taylor.
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