2021 NFL Pick'em

[El Barto]

So, a question for everybody who isn't DOC or DA66:

It has always been my intention that this never end in a tie. Until now that's never really been a possibility. Now that it is, my inclination is to insert my standard tiebreakers, as we do in my money league. In the event of a tie line picks, and then, only if necessary, predicted scores will determine the outcome. These will not come into play unless there's a tie after straight W/L. Since this hasn't been brought up before I'm looking to see if this creates a problem with fairness.

The line has not been set yet. Since it changes, and different books have different lines, we go with what's listed on the group picks page on the Yahoo site. The predicted score can be set there, as well, but both of them would need to PM me their line picks. Right now it's looking like it should open around Rams-4, but that's likely to change, I reckon.

Anybody see a problem with this arising at this late date?

[ProfessorPeart]

I side with Ted Lasso on this:

[Stadler]

No problem from me.  Ties are for losers. 

[T-ski]

I’m good with it.

[DragonAttack]

I'd go 'total points', and do like 'Price Is Right', closest without going over wins

Anyhoo, I don't mind ties.  I was co-champ in the survivor league, and I was happy with that.

I'm old enough to remember the Michigan State-Notre Dame 10-10 tie in '66, and my alma mater tied the record with four of them during a 6-1-4 season in '91 (of all things, Central Michigan beat Michigan State in their first ever meeting, 20-3, the 'easiest' game of the season).  Under the new rules, would I remember 8-3?  I doubt it.  The Chips went 10-0-1 for their only unbeaten season in '79.  That was better than 10-1.

(well, gotta get out of my rocking chair and take my dentures out .....)

[El Barto]

I'd go 'total points', and do like 'Price Is Right', closest without going over wins

I think that would really only work if they were bidding against each other. What if one of them wants to pick 0-2? 

I had the predicted score tiebreaker disabled in the Yahoo league, and it won't let me activate it now. Any suggestions for how to work that now? Total differential? Closest combined points (without the going over part)?

Also, part of why I was asking about the new tiebreaker is to find out if incorporating a line bet when one team is up by one adds an unfair element of strategerie. Any thoughts?

[Destiny Of Chaos]

We have months to determine a way forward for next season.

As for this season, I'd be more than happy to PM Barto a total score prediction that we can use as a tiebreaker if needed. Yahoo won't recognize it, but we can here if
DA is down.

[El Barto]

We have months to determine a way forward for next season.

As for this season, I'd be more than happy to PM Barto a total score prediction that we can use as a tiebreaker if needed. Yahoo won't recognize it, but we can here if
DA is down.

The line bet will definitely come before score prediction. There's far more skill involved in that. You guys can just PM me both before the SB.

[Cool Chris]

This is the first time we've had the potential for a tie? Nice. I will defer to you gambling types on how best to resolve.

[Dublagent66]

I'm not the gambling type and not familiar with sports betting in regards to point spreads or money lines etc.  I'll let you guys figure out the best way to resolve a tie and then you might have to school me on how it works. 

[El Barto]

I'm not the gambling type and not familiar with sports betting in regards to point spreads or money lines etc.  I'll let you guys figure out the best way to resolve a tie and then you might have to school me on how it works. 

[El Barto]

Alrighty then. Looks like the line remains Rams-4, so we'll go with that. DoC and DA66 need to PM me their line picks, and their predicted score. Again, straight win/loss is what matters here, and line/points will only come into play if y'all are tied in the official Pick'em. Since there is the possibility for stategerie to be in play here, I'd advise you two to no post your picks in the open.

I'm not the gambling type and not familiar with sports betting in regards to point spreads or money lines etc.  I'll let you guys figure out the best way to resolve a tie and then you might have to school me on how it works. 

It's pretty straight forward. The big brains in Vegas have determined that to bet on the favorites, the Rams, you have to give up 4 points. Which is to say that the Rams have to win by more than 4 points. If you bet on the underdogs, the Bengals, you're betting that they'll either win or keep it close and stay within 4 points. If the game ends with the Rams winning by exactly 4 points then it's a tie insofar as Vegas is concerned and all bets are off.

So, as it relates to this thing of ours, if you think Cincinnati is going to win the game tomorrow, then you necessarily think that they're going to cover the 4 points. If you think LA is going to win, then you need to decide if they win by more or less than 4 points. You could pick LA to win and cover, or you could split your pick and call LA to win but Cinci to keep it within 4.

As for the total points thing, which is pretty unlikely to be necessary, I'll be totaling the differences between each specific team. In other words, if you pick LA 3 and Cinci 47, and the Rams win 47-3, you're in deep shit. 

By all means pipe up with any questions. Either here or by PM is fine.

Qapla'

[El Barto]

And with a concurrence, DoC is this year's winner. WTG.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

Sweet! Thanks for running this as always.

Y'all enjoy the game.

[Cool Chris]

Wait, what happened?

[Destiny Of Chaos]

Wait, what happened?

I was up by 1 and DA and I both took the Rams

[Cool Chris]

Oh haha I forgot the picks were visible once the game started. Our commish using a big word probably didn't help. Neither did that 3rd bourbon.

[Dublagent66]

Yeah, sorry I spaced it off.  Point is moot now.  Congrats D.O.C on the win.

[El Barto]

Yeah, sorry I spaced it off.  Point is moot now.  Congrats D.O.C on the win.

And I'm quite thankful for that. Had you picked the Bengals but neglected to submit a tie-breaker it might have ended up kind of ugly.

[Dublagent66]

Yeah, sorry I spaced it off.  Point is moot now.  Congrats D.O.C on the win.

And I'm quite thankful for that. Had you picked the Bengals but neglected to submit a tie-breaker it might have ended up kind of ugly.

Not really.  If that was the case, I would just have to forfeit the win since I forgot to submit the tie breaker.

[Dublagent66]

Final standings for the season.  Congrats to D.O.C for the come from behind win in the playoffs.  A top 2 is better than I expected.  Thanks to Barto for setting up the league.


Rank    Pick Set Name               W-L
1           D.o.C                       183-101
2           AAgent66                 182-102
3           Admiral Barto           180-104
4           T-ski’s Pick-ski’s       180-104
5           Tall Cool One            177-107
6           Professor                  175-109 
7           Dave                        174-110
8           Dragon Attack           171-113
9           Stadler's Folly           171-113
10         hefdaddy42               166-118

[El Barto]

Considering how poorly I started the season I'm pretty cool with a tie for third. It's noteworthy that all of our trajectories kind of reversed course throughout the season. The hot starters petered off and the rest of us slowly improved. I suppose when we were all bunched up around week 13 or so was when we crossed paths.

[Dave_Manchester]

Satisfied with not being last after my dreadful start. Managed to haul myself into the peloton for a few weeks but the wheels fell off towards the end. All good fun though, thanks for running it Barto.

[Stadler]

I'm a little disappointed with myself for trying to be too cute early on, then I dug a hole I couldn't get out of.  I wouldn't have won, but I would have done a lot better if I could have remembered to stick with the plan! 

[T-ski]

I blew it the last week of the regular season.

What a travesty.

[Cool Chris]

I suppose when we were all bunched up around week 13 or so was when we crossed paths.

Yes that was about when I took a nosedive.

(sadly?) this is my favorite part of the NFL season.

[ProfessorPeart]

My prediction of Dave catching me sure came to fruition. We started on different ends and I crashed and burned and he hacked and slashed his way up. Well, I did crawl as close as 6 back but could never get over the hump and then crashed again. Typical.