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Transatlantic Survivor 2021 - Results & Discussion
« on: July 08, 2021, 08:04:19 PM »
Seven years after the last Transatlantic Survivor, and the release of Kaleidoscope, here we are at the next Survivor. This will consist of survivors for the band's five studio albums, a consolation survivor, and the finals. If there's interest, I'll re-run the Transatlantic Covers survivor as well, covering 18 covers recorded for bonus tracks or as in-studio jams (as I did last time in 2014), although because the band didn't release any bonus material this time around for The Absolute Universe, the Covers survivor won't have any new songs.

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SMPT:e
1. All Of The Above
2. We All Need Some Light

3. My New World
4. Mystery Train
5. In Held ('Twas) In I

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Bridge Across Forever
1. Stranger In Your Soul
2. Duel With The Devil

3. Suite Charlotte Pike
4. Bridge Across Forever

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The Whirlwind
1. Is It Really Happening?
2. Overture / Whirlwind
3. On The Prowl

4. Rose Colored Glasses
5. The Wind Blew Them All Away

6. Dancing With Eternal Glory / Whirlwind (Reprise)
7. A Man Can Feel
8. Set Us Free
9. Evermore
10. Out Of The Night
11. Lay Down Your Life
12. Pieces Of Heaven
13. Spinning
14. For Such A Time
15. Lenny Johnson
16. Lending A Hand

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Kaleidoscope
1. Into The Blue
2. Black As The Sky

3. Kaleidoscope
4. Shine
5. Beyond The Sun

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The Absolute Universe
1. Heart Like A Whirlwind/Reaching For The Sky
2. The Darkness In The Light
3. Higher Than The Morning
4. Owl Howl

5. The World We Used To Know
6. Looking For The Light

7. Swing High, Swing Low / Take Now My Soul
8. Overture
9. Looking For The Light (Reprise)
10. The Greatest Story Never Ends
11. Rainbow Sky
12. The Sun Comes Up Today
13. Belong
14. Lonesome Rebel
15. Can You Feel It
16. Bully
17. Love Made A Way
18. Love Made A Way (Prelude)
      Solitude

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Consolation
1. My New World
2. The World We Used To Know

3. Suite Charlotte Pike
4. The Wind Blew Them All Away
5. Rose Colored Glasses
    Looking For The Light
7. Kaleidoscope

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Finals
All Of The Above
We All Need Some Light
Stranger In Your Soul
Duel With The Devil
Is It Really Happening?
Overture / Whirlwind
On The Prowl
Into The Blue
Black As The Sky
Heart Like A Whirlwind / Reaching For The Sky
The Darkness In The Light
Higher Than The Morning
Owl Howl
My New World
The World We Used To Know

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The Albums
1. Bridge Across Forever
2. The Whirlwind
3. SMPT:e
4. Kaleidoscope
5. The Absolute Universe

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Covers
In Held ('Twas) In I
Shine On You Crazy Diamond
The Return Of The Giant Hogweed
A Salty Dog
I Need You
Soul Sacrifice
And You And I
Can't Get It Out Of My Head
Conquistador
Goodbye Yellow Brick Road
Tin Soldier
Sylvia
Indiscipline
Nights In White Satin

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Re: Transatlantic Survivor 2021 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2021, 08:10:06 PM »
So my biggest question for anyone wanting to participate in this survivor - how to go about The Absolute Universe. The album has technically THREE different versions - Forevermore (Extended Version), The Breath Of Life (Abridged Version), and the Ultimate Version (from the BD 5.1 mix).

Should I run three different survivors, one for each version of TAU? Pick just one and run with it (and if I do, it'd be the Ultimate Version), or include both versions of songs as one option, i.e. "Heart Like A Whirlwind"/"Reaching For The Sky", and letting folks pick that choice for that song for whatever they prefer, even though both songs are somewhat different, musically and lyrically. There are other songs with multiple versions, like the Overture, "Swing High, Swing Low"/"Take Now My Soul", "Love Made A Way (Prelude)", "The Greatest Story Never Ends", and "Love Made A Way". The Ultimate Version includes BOTH "Lonesome Rebel" and "Can You Feel It", and since the latter is a completely new piece, they would be two separate songs in the survivor.

I'll wait a few days before getting this started after some deliberation on how to handle TAU, but I am excited to bring this survivor back!

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Re: Transatlantic Survivor 2021 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2021, 12:54:43 AM »
My head aches just thinking about The Absolute universe. I might as well take a day off to figure out how to tackle that one.  :lol  Maybe DTA and hef got some ideas.

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Re: Transatlantic Survivor 2021 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2021, 04:38:30 AM »
I would say the Ultimate version just so every song is represented. I would just combine the alternate named songs to avoid getting too technical with it

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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2021, 06:52:40 PM »
DTA nailed it.
I'll be following this.

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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2021, 09:42:43 PM »
DTA nailed it.
I'll be following this.

I would say the Ultimate version just so every song is represented. I would just combine the alternate named songs to avoid getting too technical with it

So then, something like this?

Overture (Forevermore, TBOL, or Ultimate)
Heart Like A Whirlwind/Reaching For The Sky
Higher Than The Morning
The Darkness In The Light
Swing High, Swing Low/Take Now My Soul
Bully
Rainbow Sky
Looking For The Light
The World We Used To Know
The Sun Comes Up Today
Love Made A Way (Prelude) (Forevermore or TBOL)
Owl Howl
Solitude
Belong
Lonesome Rebel
Can You Feel It
Looking For The Light (Reprise)
The Greatest Story Never Ends (Forevermore, TBOL, or Ultimate)
Love Made A Way (Forevermore & TBOL)

Or perhaps something to that effect? Nineteen options in total, roughly following the Ultimate track list, but making note of songs with various versions between Forevermore, The Breath Of Life, and the Ultimate Version (which has 2 songs that combine elements from the other two, being "Overture" and "The Greatest Story Never Ends").

I just want to make sure everyone knows what they're voting for when it comes to the TAU Survivor!

-Marc.
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Re: Transatlantic Survivor 2021 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2021, 12:27:56 AM »
Yeah, that would work great! I listened to RFTS and TNMS and they're basically the same as HLAW and SHSL respectively, just different lyrics, so those two are the ones I'd give double titles to.

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Re: Transatlantic Survivor 2021 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2021, 04:36:52 AM »
DTA nailed it.
I'll be following this.

I would say the Ultimate version just so every song is represented. I would just combine the alternate named songs to avoid getting too technical with it

So then, something like this?

Overture (Forevermore, TBOL, or Ultimate)
Heart Like A Whirlwind/Reaching For The Sky
Higher Than The Morning
The Darkness In The Light
Swing High, Swing Low/Take Now My Soul
Bully
Rainbow Sky
Looking For The Light
The World We Used To Know
The Sun Comes Up Today
Love Made A Way (Prelude) (Forevermore or TBOL)
Owl Howl
Solitude
Belong
Lonesome Rebel
Can You Feel It
Looking For The Light (Reprise)
The Greatest Story Never Ends (Forevermore, TBOL, or Ultimate)
Love Made A Way (Forevermore & TBOL)

Or perhaps something to that effect? Nineteen options in total, roughly following the Ultimate track list, but making note of songs with various versions between Forevermore, The Breath Of Life, and the Ultimate Version (which has 2 songs that combine elements from the other two, being "Overture" and "The Greatest Story Never Ends").

I just want to make sure everyone knows what they're voting for when it comes to the TAU Survivor!

-Marc.

This looks like the best method.  As for Overture/Greatest Story...I say just let everyone vote for whichever version they interpret as being the worst. If that means that I'm voting thinking it's the Forevermore version while someone else votes in the same round thinking of the Breath of Life version, then so be it.

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Re: Transatlantic Survivor 2021 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2021, 03:09:43 PM »
So the first round for SMPT:e has started, and going over it, I think I've decided to do the following:
-Like my normal Survivors, the first and second place songs for each of the five albums will automatically advance to the Finals.
-For the albums with more tracks/songs, The Whirlwind and The Absolute Universe, I've decided that for the former, the third place track will go to the Finals, with the fourth place track going to Consolation. For the latter, the top four will advance to the finals, with the 5th and 6th place songs going to Consolation (a practice I used for many double albums like The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, Snow, Testimony, The Similitude of A Dream, and The Great Adventure).
-The Consolation Survivor will consist of seven songs across five albums, one from their 1st, 2nd and 4th albums, and two from their 3rd and 5th.
-The Finals will consist of 15 songs total, which felt like a nice round number for the finals to have!

I hope to see many participants over the coming weeks and months as we get through the discography of Transatlantic!

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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2021, 03:45:33 PM »
As a heads up, since I've been running SMPT:e and BAF concurrently, I decided that I'll run the last three albums together as well, but when I start The Whirlwind, I'll also begin The Absolute Universe, and because that album has more tracks than The Whirlwind, when TW is over, I'll run Kaleidoscope. Between TW and K, there are 21 tracks (12 for TW and 4 bonus tracks, and 5 for Kaleidoscope), and with TAU there are 19, so they'll end not too far apart from each other, unless there are tie-breakers to be had.

And speaking of ties, since there are so few albums and songs here, I want to make sure we break any ties possible with at least one tie-breaker round. If another tie occurs within a tie-breaker, and the round isn't needed to decide any of the top spots for Consolation or Finales placements, then the tie will remain in the final rankings.

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Re: Transatlantic Survivor 2021 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2021, 05:42:31 PM »
SMPT:e's Final Round's Results:
All Of The Above 2 (13.3%)
We All Need Some Light 13 (86.7%)

1. All Of The Above
2. We All Need Some Light
3. My New World
4. Mystery Train
5. In Held ('Twas) In I

Here are the final results for the SMPT:e survivor, where AOTA ranks at the top, but both it and WANSL go on to the Finals, with MNW going on to Consolation. For comparison, here are results from the 2014 Survivor:
1. All Of The Above
2. My New World
3. We All Need Some Light
4. In Held ('Twas) In I
5. Mystery Train

Looks like the bottom four songs shifted around a little bit, but of course, "All Of The Above" would continue to be, well, above the rest.

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Re: Transatlantic Survivor 2021 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2021, 05:49:01 PM »
Bridge Across Forever's Final Round's Results:
Duel With The Devil 12 (66.7%)
Stranger In Your Soul 6 (33.3%)

1. Stranger In Your Soul
2. Duel With The Devil
3. Suite Charlotte Pike
4. Bridge Across Forever

And here are the final results for the BAF Survivor, and looking at the 2014 results, it looks like the top two have finally swapped places, but both definitely deserve their spots in the Finals!

1. Duel With The Devil
2. Stranger In Your Soul
3. Suite Charlotte Pike
4. Bridge Across Forever

Thanks again to the 18 or so voters who have turned out for the first two Transatlantic album survivors! I hope that even HALF of you continue to participate as we move on to The Whirlwind and The Absolute Universe!

If it seems like the majority of voters get their votes in within the first two days of each round, I may switch back to 2-Day rounds because otherwise, this survivor will go on for another three months. I'm hoping to get this wrapped up by the end of November so I can start the Dream Theater Survivor by then. And yes, this is the first I'm posting this anywhere, so if you read this post, you read it here first! I'll be bringing back the Dream Theater Survivor, which I haven't done since 2017 after The Astonishing came out! But more on that in a few months...

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Re: Transatlantic Survivor 2021 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2021, 10:03:07 AM »
Just an update - when the Finals begin, I'll run the Covers Survivor concurrently with it, since they'll be about the same length in terms of rounds (barring any tie-breaker rounds). For this year, I've decided to exclude the "Jam Covers" from the first two album's Special Editions ("Honky Tonk Woman", "Oh! Darling", "And I Love Her" and "Smoke On The Water") simply because the last time I ran the Covers Survivor, those were the first four songs out first, and I figured we'd just save a bit of time to take them all out. Granted, I could've used that same logic for The Whirlwind's bonus original songs, but since they were original TA songs and properly recorded studio songs, I wanted to continue to include those four (even if the band continues to ignore them).

Anyways, we are close to wrapping up the last three studio albums, then we will have a short 7-song/6-round Consolation Survivor, and finally, the 15-song Finals! Thanks again to everyone that has participated in this survivor so far over the last 2 months, and I hope you all continue to vote and discuss your choices as we move forward into the final stretch!

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Re: Transatlantic Survivor 2021 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2021, 08:28:55 AM »
Kaleidoscope's Final Round's Results:
Into The Blue 1 (12.5%)
Black As The Sky 7 (87.5%)

1. Into The Blue
2. Black As The Sky
3. Kaleidoscope
4. Shine
5. Beyond The Sun

Looks like the epic opening track reigns supreme once again, but the remaining songs shuffled around a bit compared to the last time I ran this survivor in 2014:

1. Into The Blue
    Kaleidoscope
3. Black As The Sky
4. Beyond The Sun
5. Shine

Looks like both epics tied for first last time, but this time around, the title track only made it as far as the Consolation Rounds (where it couldn't make the Top 2 to move on to the Finals). I will say, "Into The Blue" is probably the best part of their fourth album, so if they ever play either of the two epics from this album ever again, hopefully it's ITB!

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Re: Transatlantic Survivor 2021 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2021, 08:33:06 AM »
The Absolute Universe's Final Round's Results:
Heart Like A Whirlwind / Reaching For The Sky 4 (44.4%)
The Darkness In The Light 5 (55.6%)

1. Heart Like A Whirlwind / Reaching For The Sky
2. The Darkness In The Light
3. Higher Than The Morning
4. Owl Howl
5. The World We Used To Know
6. Looking For The Light
7. Swing High, Swing Low / Take Now My Soul
8. Overture
9. Looking For The Light (Reprise)
10. The Greatest Story Never Ends
11. Rainbow Sky
12. The Sun Comes Up Today
13. Belong
14. Lonesome Rebel
15. Can You Feel It
16. Bully
17. Love Made A Way
18. Love Made A Way (Prelude)
      Solitude

Whew! What a whopper of a Survivor, with nineteen tracks to get through! I wonder if it's a coincidence that the top three tracks are all the first three major songs on the album after the Overture? And actually, other than "Bully" and "Rainbow Sky", the entire first half of the album made it to the top half of the survivor! It'll be interesting to see how this might change in the coming years whenever I get around to doing this survivor again.

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Re: Transatlantic Survivor 2021 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2021, 09:16:36 AM »
Great work Marc. I was a little surprised at some of the results for TAU, but it shows how disc 1 of Forevermore is a strong disc compared to disc 2, and most of disc 1 still wound up on the Breath of Life edition.

Kaleidoscope, the song, doesn't seem to be aging well, I know it hasn't for me.

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Re: Transatlantic Survivor 2021 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2021, 08:04:41 AM »
Consolation's Final Round's Results:
My New World 3 (25%)
The World We Used To Know 9 (75%)

1. My New World
2. The World We Used To Know
3. Suite Charlotte Pike
4. The Wind Blew Them All Away
5. Rose Colored Glasses
    Looking For The Light
7. Kaleidoscope

Looks like "My New World" is the top of the Consolation Survivor, but both it and "The World We Used To Know" advance to the Finals (already in progress). Even though the format is a little bit different than it was in 2014, here are the results from the last time I ran the Consolation Survivor:

1. On The Prowl
2. Black As The Sky
3. We All Need Some Light
4. Suite Charlotte Pike

This time around, the top three songs all made it to the Finals anyway, but it looks like SCP moved up a spot from last time.

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Re: Transatlantic Survivor 2021 - Results & Discussion
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2021, 08:08:31 AM »
The Albums's Final Round's Results:
Bridge Across Forever 5 (33.3%)
The Whirlwind 10 (66.7%)

1. Bridge Across Forever
2. The Whirlwind
3. SMPT:e
4. The Absolute Universe
5. Kaleidoscope

Two-to-one, The Whirlwind places second behind the band's sophomore effort, which is still my personal favorite. Honestly, this might be my own personal ranking of the albums, though TAU may slowly overtake SMPT:e as the years go on. Not that SMPT:e is bad, but I enjoy the more diverse writing and performing on TAU the more I listen to it, and I feel like Neal has sort of over-played some of the songs from SMPT:e between Transatlantic and his solo career, so I sort of grew tired of them after awhile.

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