Coronavirus Thread v.2

[darkshade]

That's crazy talk. I don't want anyone to die. I would like common sense though.

Humanity has been taking crazy pills for the last 19 months.

[King Postwhore]

Yes. I see it in your posts daily. 

I see you skipped over the stats.

[darkshade]

No offense to anyone with kids, but the flu kills more children each year than covid has in all its existence. That is not my opinion.
Take care of your kids, but let's stop letting the fear porn control our actions.

Yes, it is your opinion, not based on facts or studies

Flu deaths in the States  2019-20  24,000 to 62,000 pre Covid (even fewer last year)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_United_States_flu_season#:~:text=The%20Centers%20for%20Disease%20Control,and%2024%2C000%20to%2062%2C000%20deaths.

2017-18 flu deaths  in the States  approx 61,000 preCovid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%932018_United_States_flu_season

covid in the States.... over 688,000 deaths since March 2020
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Where do you get your so called facts?

Not from wikipedia, where anyone can edit the articles, that's for sure.

This appears to be about all deaths, I was talking about pediatric deaths.

[darkshade]

Yes. I see it in your posts daily. 

I see you skipped over the stats.

Which stats? The ones I quote above about all covid and flu deaths, and not pediatric deaths which is what was being discussed a few posts earlier?

[darkshade]

Yes. I see it in your posts daily. 

I see you skipped over the stats.

Seeking truth and rationality is not 'taking crazy pills'

Saying 'unvaxxed' people should be denied services at a hospital is crazy.

[King Postwhore]

I'm not saying that though. Even if they are taxing hospitals.  But those who don't vac are the ones we should look sideways at. Just like those who do not vac their children. 

I don't mock them but I think this thought process is not smart.

[darkshade]

I'm not saying that though. Even if they are taxing hospitals.  But those who don't vac are the ones we should look sideways at. Just like those who do not vac their children. 

I don't mock them but I think this thought process is not smart.

Not saying you are, but many people are. The news media is even pushing this idea. It is criminal.
Where would the line be drawn?
Got lung cancer? Sorry, you smoke cigarettes.
Got heart disease? Sorry, you ate too many Big Macs.

Cigarettes and Big Macs are approved for sale by the FDA, at least the ingredients in them are. Covid vaccines currently are not approved, only EUA.

[King Postwhore]

Yes that is crazy. So is not getting the vaccine.   So how about a compromise.  I bet you can't do that.

[darkshade]

Yes that is crazy. So is not getting the vaccine.   So how about a compromise.  I bet you can't do that.

but what if I have natural immunity that is stronger than the vaccine that is currently waning in effectiveness?
What if I have natural immunity where I don't spread the disease any more than someone who got jabbed, twice?

[Skeever]

No offense to anyone with kids, but the flu kills more children each year than covid has in all its existence. That is not my opinion.
Take care of your kids, but let's stop letting the fear porn control our actions.

Yes, it is your opinion, not based on facts or studies

Flu deaths in the States  2019-20  24,000 to 62,000 pre Covid (even fewer last year)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_United_States_flu_season#:~:text=The%20Centers%20for%20Disease%20Control,and%2024%2C000%20to%2062%2C000%20deaths.

2017-18 flu deaths  in the States  approx 61,000 preCovid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%932018_United_States_flu_season

covid in the States.... over 688,000 deaths since March 2020
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Where do you get your so called facts?

What are we comparing?

Flu deaths versus covid deaths?
Flu deaths among children versus covid deaths among children?

I had assumed that darkshade was talking about the latter.

[King Postwhore]

Yes that is crazy. So is not getting the vaccine.   So how about a compromise.  I bet you can't do that.

but what if I have natural immunity that is stronger than the vaccine that is currently waning in effectiveness?
What if I have natural immunity where I don't spread the disease any more than someone who got jabbed, twice?

For 8 months and not with the variants.   So for us vaccinated, we can get a booster shot.  You can't unless you get it again which you have a better chance to contract.

[darkshade]

Yes that is crazy. So is not getting the vaccine.   So how about a compromise.  I bet you can't do that.

but what if I have natural immunity that is stronger than the vaccine that is currently waning in effectiveness?
What if I have natural immunity where I don't spread the disease any more than someone who got jabbed, twice?

For 8 months and not with the variants.   So for us vaccinated, we can get a booster shot.  You can't unless you get it again which you have a better chance to contract.

Natural immunity apparently lasts longer, than the vax, and last I looked up, getting it again means it will be much less severe than the first time.
Anecdotal, but I haven't been sick since Feb 2020, and I know people who got jabbed and have been sick 2-3 times since. I've also read (and heard from doctors online) that the virus figures out how to bypass the vaccines, making the vaccinated the super spreaders.

[King Postwhore]

The flu comes back every year and we are not immune. Civid is 5 times more dangerous. You like rolling the dice?

[El Barto]

That's crazy talk. I don't want anyone to die. I would like common sense though.

Hey, hey, now, don't go infringing on their personal responsibility. 

[TAC]

The flu comes back every year and we are not immune. Civid is 5 times more dangerous. You like rolling the dice?

Yeah, I heard you don't want to catch the Civid.

[darkshade]

The flu comes back every year and we are not immune. Civid is 5 times more dangerous. You like rolling the dice?

I don't get flu shots and never get the flu.

I had covid in feb 2020, first time I've been sick in almost 10 years, and haven't been sick since, been to 7 concerts this year (all outdoors, but still)

No one has gotten covid after being in my presence. People I know who got sick had no physical contact with me days and weeks prior to their infection.

[King Postwhore]

Yeah but you left out something. I've never got sick but I did get covid.   So it can happen again with a stronger variant.

[El Barto]

Yes. I see it in your posts daily. 

I see you skipped over the stats.

Seeking truth and rationality is not 'taking crazy pills'

Saying 'unvaxxed' people should be denied services at a hospital is crazy.

Since I'm one of the people suggesting something similar to that, I'll chime in. My stance has been that hospitals should limit ICU space to leave beds in reserve for people who aren't there voluntarily. This isn't spite, or some misguided concept of eugenics (although voluntary eugenics is better referred to as Darwinism). This is basic resource allocation. Seeing somebody with a treatable condition die because antivaxxers are using up the available healthcare pisses me off. It's not "personal responsibility" if other people have to pay for your outcomes.

[darkshade]

That's crazy talk. I don't want anyone to die. I would like common sense though.

Hey, hey, now, don't go infringing on their personal responsibility. 

Tribalism is a dangerous mentality to have. I think the Germans engaged in it one time. Didn't work out well for them.
I think we already deduced that it's not all Republicans declining to be vaxxed. In fact, you can easily look up what groups of people are unvaxxed by race.

[darkshade]

Yeah but you left out something. I've never got sick but I did get covid.   So it can happen again with a stronger variant.

Covid is novel, though. Everyone's going to get it at least once, your body needs a chance to identify it so it can fight it off in the future. Naturally is better, stronger, faster, harder on those germs.

I've had the flu before, but not in a long, long time.

[TAC]

Yes. I see it in your posts daily. 

I see you skipped over the stats.

Seeking truth and rationality is not 'taking crazy pills'

Saying 'unvaxxed' people should be denied services at a hospital is crazy.

Since I'm one of the people suggesting something similar to that, I'll chime in. My stance has been that hospitals should limit ICU space to leave beds in reserve for people who aren't there voluntarily. This isn't spite, or some misguided concept of eugenics (although voluntary eugenics is better referred to as Darwinism). This is basic resource allocation. Seeing somebody with a treatable condition die because antivaxxers are using up the available healthcare pisses me off. It's not "personal responsibility" if other people have to pay for your outcomes.

Amen, brother. There should be a limit on Covid beds, with priority going to vaccinated people. No one with any other ailment should be turned away because of some unvaccinated hack.

[King Postwhore]

When it's killed 5 times more in the same timeframe as the flu it's not novel.   It's like you only care about yourself and don't have empathy to others.

[darkshade]

Yes. I see it in your posts daily. 

I see you skipped over the stats.

Seeking truth and rationality is not 'taking crazy pills'

Saying 'unvaxxed' people should be denied services at a hospital is crazy.

Since I'm one of the people suggesting something similar to that, I'll chime in. My stance has been that hospitals should limit ICU space to leave beds in reserve for people who aren't there voluntarily. This isn't spite, or some misguided concept of eugenics (although voluntary eugenics is better referred to as Darwinism). This is basic resource allocation. Seeing somebody with a treatable condition die because antivaxxers are using up the available healthcare pisses me off. It's not "personal responsibility" if other people have to pay for your outcomes.

But what about the makeshift hospitals that were created specifically for covid patient overflow in densely populated areas? Did hospital administrators and state governments give up on that idea because now the pharma donors for our 'elected leaders' got their drugs into the public sphere via EUA?

[darkshade]

When it's killed 5 times more in the same timeframe as the flu it's not novel.   It's like you only care about yourself and don't have empathy to others.

As I said, I got it in Feb 2020, so it was novel then.

[El Barto]

Yeah but you left out something. I've never got sick but I did get covid.   So it can happen again with a stronger variant.

Covid is novel, though. Everyone's going to get it at least once, your body needs a chance to identify it so it can fight it off in the future. Naturally is better, stronger, faster, harder on those germs.

I've had the flu before, but not in a long, long time.

Actually, I posted a study a couple of weeks ago that suggests this isn't correct. Natural immunity reacts only to the specific bug you had. Variants are new, foreign invaders and your immune system has to start from scratch. The vaccines are engineered to target a characteristic specific to Covid in general, and seems to produce a response to all variants that contain that particular characteristic.

[King Postwhore]

Hospitals do not have the manpower to staff the hospital nevermind a new branch. This is common knowledge throughout the work industry.

[El Barto]

Yes. I see it in your posts daily. 

I see you skipped over the stats.

Seeking truth and rationality is not 'taking crazy pills'

Saying 'unvaxxed' people should be denied services at a hospital is crazy.

Since I'm one of the people suggesting something similar to that, I'll chime in. My stance has been that hospitals should limit ICU space to leave beds in reserve for people who aren't there voluntarily. This isn't spite, or some misguided concept of eugenics (although voluntary eugenics is better referred to as Darwinism). This is basic resource allocation. Seeing somebody with a treatable condition die because antivaxxers are using up the available healthcare pisses me off. It's not "personal responsibility" if other people have to pay for your outcomes.

But what about the makeshift hospitals that were created specifically for covid patient overflow in densely populated areas? Did hospital administrators and state governments give up on that idea because now the pharma donors for our 'elected leaders' got their drugs into the public sphere via EUA?

Also, if you're going to go that route, address my question about why the entire planet is going along with this conspiracy.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56501.msg2809936#msg2809936

[darkshade]

When it's killed 5 times more in the same timeframe as the flu it's not novel.   It's like you only care about yourself and don't have empathy to others.

When it comes to my health, of course I care about myself, just like everyone else should care about their own health. I empathize with anyone who is immune-compromised, but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Those people should do everything they can to avoid human contact until this is is hopefully over one day. Unfortunately for them, vaxxed people can still transmit the virus as much as unvaxxed with or without masks, so what difference would it make for them if I got jabbed or not?

I care about the health of people around me as well. Many I know have gotten the jab. Good for them. They did what they felt is best for themselves. Why should I risk long-term health ailments by taking the vax when people I don't know personally couldn't give two shits about me otherwise, and won't care if/when I have health problems due to this experimental procedure down the road? Life is full of risks.

[darkshade]

Hospitals do not have the manpower to staff the hospital nevermind a new branch. This is common knowledge throughout the work industry.

Makes sense since so many nurses have quit since the pandemic started, for one reason or another. They were going to do it in NYC, for example, but the overflow never happened.

[darkshade]

Yes. I see it in your posts daily. 

I see you skipped over the stats.

Seeking truth and rationality is not 'taking crazy pills'

Saying 'unvaxxed' people should be denied services at a hospital is crazy.

Since I'm one of the people suggesting something similar to that, I'll chime in. My stance has been that hospitals should limit ICU space to leave beds in reserve for people who aren't there voluntarily. This isn't spite, or some misguided concept of eugenics (although voluntary eugenics is better referred to as Darwinism). This is basic resource allocation. Seeing somebody with a treatable condition die because antivaxxers are using up the available healthcare pisses me off. It's not "personal responsibility" if other people have to pay for your outcomes.

But what about the makeshift hospitals that were created specifically for covid patient overflow in densely populated areas? Did hospital administrators and state governments give up on that idea because now the pharma donors for our 'elected leaders' got their drugs into the public sphere via EUA?

Also, if you're going to go that route, address my question about why the entire planet is going along with this conspiracy.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56501.msg2809936#msg2809936

I didn't shift goal posts. I offered an option that was on the table in the beginning of the pandemic but doesn't seem to be now.

[King Postwhore]

Hospitals do not have the manpower to staff the hospital nevermind a new branch. This is common knowledge throughout the work industry.

Makes sense since so many nurses have quit since the pandemic started, for one reason or another. They were going to do it in NYC, for example, but the overflow never happened.

Stress made them quit and the overflow is real. Not imaginary.

[darkshade]

Also, if you're going to go that route, address my question about why the entire planet is going along with this conspiracy.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=56501.msg2809936#msg2809936

What conspiracy? To get everyone jabbed? Money? Power? NWO and Build Back Better? (which are both descendant agendas from "Third Reich".. don't believe me? That's not my problem. I've known about that crap for years now.)

Some countries are choosing not to use the vaccine, instead use Ivermectin or HCQ for early treatment and avoid being hooked up to a ventilator.

[darkshade]

Hospitals do not have the manpower to staff the hospital nevermind a new branch. This is common knowledge throughout the work industry.

Makes sense since so many nurses have quit since the pandemic started, for one reason or another. They were going to do it in NYC, for example, but the overflow never happened.

Stress made them quit and the overflow is real. Not imaginary.

Some, sure. Many quit because they don't want the experimental government dope injected into their bodies.

What was stated as imaginary?? The makeshift hospital built last year in NYC wasn't needed.

[King Postwhore]

Ivermectin? Yeah, third world countries desperate got to extremes.

[King Postwhore]

Hospitals do not have the manpower to staff the hospital nevermind a new branch. This is common knowledge throughout the work industry.

Makes sense since so many nurses have quit since the pandemic started, for one reason or another. They were going to do it in NYC, for example, but the overflow never happened.

Stress made them quit and the overflow is real. Not imaginary.

Some, sure. Many quit because they don't want the experimental government dope injected into their bodies.

What was stated as imaginary?? The makeshift hospital built last year in NYC wasn't needed.

What's many?  5%