Coronavirus Thread v.2

[cramx3]

America has a pretty sizable liberal demographic who are part of the anti-vax movement, coming from the "my body is a temple" point of view.

Yet they'll put a little blue pill with many side affects, in their bodies.  Thinking with one head but not the other.

Don't even ask them to give up their glass of chardonnay or IPA either.  They will go on and on about toxins and their gut microbiome and yet... 

well...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2022/01/08/nurse-says-viagra-saved-her-from-severe-covid-19-coronavirus-infection/

[jingle.boy]

It's probably too early to feel positive about this, but the last few days in NJ cases seemed to have plateaued.  It's still a very high number, but if this trend continues, we may see a sharp decline if what some experts have predicted becomes true.  And it certainly feels like omicron just blew through most people in the state so it kind of feels legit too from personal experience.  We will see though.

My worry is that this is more indicative of the fact testing capacity has just made people say fuckit about getting a test.  I've personally heard of no less than a dozen people who are just operating under the assumption they have it, because they either A) can't get a test, or B) *believe* they can't get a test so it just ain't worth trying.

[King whatever and the whoosie whatsie]

Guy pounded out the virus out of her.  AMIRITE?!

[jingle.boy]

America has a pretty sizable liberal demographic who are part of the anti-vax movement, coming from the "my body is a temple" point of view.

Yet they'll put a little blue pill with many side affects, in their bodies.  Thinking with one head but not the other.

Don't even ask them to give up their glass of chardonnay or IPA either.  They will go on and on about toxins and their gut microbiome and yet... 

well...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2022/01/08/nurse-says-viagra-saved-her-from-severe-covid-19-coronavirus-infection/

"Indeed, Dr. Wachter, anything is possible. But is there any hard evidence that Viagra, otherwise known as sildenafil, can serve as a treatment for severe Covid-19?"

Why yes dear reporter, there very much is *hard* evidence.

That article reads like it's from The Onion or Hardtimes.

[Ben_Jamin]

Also by Forbes....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajherrington/2022/01/11/study-finds-cannabis-compounds-prevent-infection-by-covid-19-virus/?sh=351b25191753

[cramx3]

It's probably too early to feel positive about this, but the last few days in NJ cases seemed to have plateaued.  It's still a very high number, but if this trend continues, we may see a sharp decline if what some experts have predicted becomes true.  And it certainly feels like omicron just blew through most people in the state so it kind of feels legit too from personal experience.  We will see though.

My worry is that this is more indicative of the fact testing capacity has just made people say fuckit about getting a test.  I've personally heard of no less than a dozen people who are just operating under the assumption they have it, because they either A) can't get a test, or B) *believe* they can't get a test so it just ain't worth trying.

But that is not new.  It's been that way for a month at least in terms of lack of tests available and the "fuck it" attitude has been here since the beginning. My anti-vax friend believes he had covid a few weeks ago but never got tested for example (but it seems likely since his daughter was tested positive last week).  Also the "two month" timeline from South Africa could be similar.  I think this will last more than 2 months here, but it may not be too much longer.  Omicron was first detected in NJ around December 4th.  Also, NJ as a whole is more vaxxed and seems to follow guidelines a bit more than a lot of the rest of the US so it's really hard for me to pin the data on those factors.  It's possible though.  Like I said, it's way too early to be happy about the data, but it is encouraging if it starts to hold true.

[lonestar]

America has a pretty sizable liberal demographic who are part of the anti-vax movement, coming from the "my body is a temple" point of view.

Yet they'll put a little blue pill with many side affects, in their bodies.  Thinking with one head but not the other.

Don't even ask them to give up their glass of chardonnay or IPA either.  They will go on and on about toxins and their gut microbiome and yet... 

So much this... Aside from tobacco, thwre is only one other proven class a carcinogen.. Alcohol... but it gets such a blatant, hypocritical pass in all the fucking woo circles. They make up all sorts of bullshit to let booze slide around their egotistical privelaged views.

[Ben_Jamin]

America has a pretty sizable liberal demographic who are part of the anti-vax movement, coming from the "my body is a temple" point of view.

Yet they'll put a little blue pill with many side affects, in their bodies.  Thinking with one head but not the other.

Don't even ask them to give up their glass of chardonnay or IPA either.  They will go on and on about toxins and their gut microbiome and yet... 

So much this... Aside from tobacco, thwre is only one other proven class a carcinogen.. Alcohol... but it gets such a blatant, hypocritical pass in all the fucking woo circles. They make up all sorts of bullshit to let booze slide around their egotistical privelaged views.

https://www.verywellmind.com/the-cost-of-excessive-alcohol-use-in-the-u-s-67482

The quickest way to reduce these costs, says the CDC, would be to reduce binge drinking (defined as four or more drinks per occasion for women or five or more for men).2

To this end, the researchers suggested using several evidence-based strategies to reduce the impact of drinking on society:

Increasing the price of alcohol to discourage use, particularly among the young
Regulating the number and location of sites where alcohol is sold
Holding alcohol retailers liable for injuries or damages caused by intoxicated or underage customers
Avoiding the commercialization of state-controlled alcohol sales
While many of the suggestions would meet stiff opposition from government and industry, they do highlight that cost and access remain major drivers of widespread alcohol misuse in the U.S. Unless measures are taken to actively discourage drinking, says the CDC, it will be society at large that will end up paying.

It would be fascinating to take these Covid measures and apply them to Alcohol, since Society will be paying the price if measures are not taken to reduce the impact of drinking on society, and it will be beneficial for society.

[TAC]

America has a pretty sizable liberal demographic who are part of the anti-vax movement, coming from the "my body is a temple" point of view.

Yet they'll put a little blue pill with many side affects, in their bodies.  Thinking with one head but not the other.

Don't even ask them to give up their glass of chardonnay or IPA either.  They will go on and on about toxins and their gut microbiome and yet... 

So much this... Aside from tobacco, thwre is only one other proven class a carcinogen.. Alcohol... but it gets such a blatant, hypocritical pass in all the fucking woo circles. They make up all sorts of bullshit to let booze slide around their egotistical privelaged views.

Well, they got the Pot crowd now to join them.

[Ben_Jamin]

America has a pretty sizable liberal demographic who are part of the anti-vax movement, coming from the "my body is a temple" point of view.

Yet they'll put a little blue pill with many side affects, in their bodies.  Thinking with one head but not the other.

Don't even ask them to give up their glass of chardonnay or IPA either.  They will go on and on about toxins and their gut microbiome and yet... 

So much this... Aside from tobacco, thwre is only one other proven class a carcinogen.. Alcohol... but it gets such a blatant, hypocritical pass in all the fucking woo circles. They make up all sorts of bullshit to let booze slide around their egotistical privelaged views.

Well, they got the Pot crowd now to join them.

Wouldn't that also be relevant for a Stripper? It's their body and they can do whatever they want with their body, even if it's flaunting it for horny men for money.

[TAC]

Er...no.

[cramx3]

America has a pretty sizable liberal demographic who are part of the anti-vax movement, coming from the "my body is a temple" point of view.

Yet they'll put a little blue pill with many side affects, in their bodies.  Thinking with one head but not the other.

Don't even ask them to give up their glass of chardonnay or IPA either.  They will go on and on about toxins and their gut microbiome and yet... 

So much this... Aside from tobacco, thwre is only one other proven class a carcinogen.. Alcohol... but it gets such a blatant, hypocritical pass in all the fucking woo circles. They make up all sorts of bullshit to let booze slide around their egotistical privelaged views.

Well, they got the Pot crowd now to join them.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-12/cannabis-compounds-prevented-covid-infection-in-laboratory-study

Another one of my Dr friends, who is also licensed to prescribe medical marijuana in Florida, has been saying this for awhile that it could actually be good for covid.  Clearly it didn't help me 

[King whatever and the whoosie whatsie]

Dr. Nick or Dt. Spaceman?

[Ben_Jamin]

America has a pretty sizable liberal demographic who are part of the anti-vax movement, coming from the "my body is a temple" point of view.

Yet they'll put a little blue pill with many side affects, in their bodies.  Thinking with one head but not the other.

Don't even ask them to give up their glass of chardonnay or IPA either.  They will go on and on about toxins and their gut microbiome and yet... 

So much this... Aside from tobacco, thwre is only one other proven class a carcinogen.. Alcohol... but it gets such a blatant, hypocritical pass in all the fucking woo circles. They make up all sorts of bullshit to let booze slide around their egotistical privelaged views.

Well, they got the Pot crowd now to join them.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-12/cannabis-compounds-prevented-covid-infection-in-laboratory-study

Another one of my Dr friends, who is also licensed to prescribe medical marijuana in Florida, has been saying this for awhile that it could actually be good for covid.  Clearly it didn't help me 

I posted that earlier from Forbes.

It would be neat if they found those who have longer use of cannabis, have more of these compounds in their system. 

[Stadler]

It's probably too early to feel positive about this, but the last few days in NJ cases seemed to have plateaued.  It's still a very high number, but if this trend continues, we may see a sharp decline if what some experts have predicted becomes true.  And it certainly feels like omicron just blew through most people in the state so it kind of feels legit too from personal experience.  We will see though.

My worry is that this is more indicative of the fact testing capacity has just made people say fuckit about getting a test.  I've personally heard of no less than a dozen people who are just operating under the assumption they have it, because they either A) can't get a test, or B) *believe* they can't get a test so it just ain't worth trying.

The link should be easy to find, but the New York Times today is cautiously suggesting it's a real plateau.   They analyze wastewater for certain things, and a study in Boston shows the presence of the COVID virus in wastewater has dropped about 40% since January 1.   That has been a harbinger of good things in the past vis-a-vis COVID.

[Stadler]

America has a pretty sizable liberal demographic who are part of the anti-vax movement, coming from the "my body is a temple" point of view.

Yet they'll put a little blue pill with many side affects, in their bodies.  Thinking with one head but not the other.

Don't even ask them to give up their glass of chardonnay or IPA either.  They will go on and on about toxins and their gut microbiome and yet... 

So much this... Aside from tobacco, thwre is only one other proven class a carcinogen.. Alcohol... but it gets such a blatant, hypocritical pass in all the fucking woo circles. They make up all sorts of bullshit to let booze slide around their egotistical privelaged views.

I mean this in the nicest possible way, friend to friends, but are any of you REALLY that shocked that a member of the human species (or a subgroup of that species) is hypocritical?   We can point to any economic class, any racial class, any religious class, virtually any breakdown you want to use, and find an example of head-shaking hypocrisy.    It's certainly worth it to note, but unless we're really willing to let our OWN hypocrisies go (mine included),  it's sort of a futile exercise.

[Stadler]

America has a pretty sizable liberal demographic who are part of the anti-vax movement, coming from the "my body is a temple" point of view.

Yet they'll put a little blue pill with many side affects, in their bodies.  Thinking with one head but not the other.

Don't even ask them to give up their glass of chardonnay or IPA either.  They will go on and on about toxins and their gut microbiome and yet... 

So much this... Aside from tobacco, thwre is only one other proven class a carcinogen.. Alcohol... but it gets such a blatant, hypocritical pass in all the fucking woo circles. They make up all sorts of bullshit to let booze slide around their egotistical privelaged views.

https://www.verywellmind.com/the-cost-of-excessive-alcohol-use-in-the-u-s-67482

The quickest way to reduce these costs, says the CDC, would be to reduce binge drinking (defined as four or more drinks per occasion for women or five or more for men).2

To this end, the researchers suggested using several evidence-based strategies to reduce the impact of drinking on society:

Increasing the price of alcohol to discourage use, particularly among the young
Regulating the number and location of sites where alcohol is sold
Holding alcohol retailers liable for injuries or damages caused by intoxicated or underage customers
Avoiding the commercialization of state-controlled alcohol sales
While many of the suggestions would meet stiff opposition from government and industry, they do highlight that cost and access remain major drivers of widespread alcohol misuse in the U.S. Unless measures are taken to actively discourage drinking, says the CDC, it will be society at large that will end up paying.

It would be fascinating to take these Covid measures and apply them to Alcohol, since Society will be paying the price if measures are not taken to reduce the impact of drinking on society, and it will be beneficial for society.

Take my vodka and/or red wine away from me, and I'ma going all

[ReaperKK]

America has a pretty sizable liberal demographic who are part of the anti-vax movement, coming from the "my body is a temple" point of view.

Yet they'll put a little blue pill with many side affects, in their bodies.  Thinking with one head but not the other.

Don't even ask them to give up their glass of chardonnay or IPA either.  They will go on and on about toxins and their gut microbiome and yet... 

So much this... Aside from tobacco, thwre is only one other proven class a carcinogen.. Alcohol... but it gets such a blatant, hypocritical pass in all the fucking woo circles. They make up all sorts of bullshit to let booze slide around their egotistical privelaged views.

Well, they got the Pot crowd now to join them.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-12/cannabis-compounds-prevented-covid-infection-in-laboratory-study

Another one of my Dr friends, who is also licensed to prescribe medical marijuana in Florida, has been saying this for awhile that it could actually be good for covid.  Clearly it didn't help me 

I'm going to have to increase my daily intake...just to be safe....

[Chino]

America has a pretty sizable liberal demographic who are part of the anti-vax movement, coming from the "my body is a temple" point of view.

Yet they'll put a little blue pill with many side affects, in their bodies.  Thinking with one head but not the other.

Don't even ask them to give up their glass of chardonnay or IPA either.  They will go on and on about toxins and their gut microbiome and yet... 

So much this... Aside from tobacco, thwre is only one other proven class a carcinogen.. Alcohol... but it gets such a blatant, hypocritical pass in all the fucking woo circles. They make up all sorts of bullshit to let booze slide around their egotistical privelaged views.

Well, they got the Pot crowd now to join them.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-12/cannabis-compounds-prevented-covid-infection-in-laboratory-study

Another one of my Dr friends, who is also licensed to prescribe medical marijuana in Florida, has been saying this for awhile that it could actually be good for covid.  Clearly it didn't help me 

I'm going to have to increase my daily intake...just to be safe....

I'm almost certain that the compound they're referring to is solely found in hemp, sadly.

[cramx3]

America has a pretty sizable liberal demographic who are part of the anti-vax movement, coming from the "my body is a temple" point of view.

Yet they'll put a little blue pill with many side affects, in their bodies.  Thinking with one head but not the other.

Don't even ask them to give up their glass of chardonnay or IPA either.  They will go on and on about toxins and their gut microbiome and yet... 

So much this... Aside from tobacco, thwre is only one other proven class a carcinogen.. Alcohol... but it gets such a blatant, hypocritical pass in all the fucking woo circles. They make up all sorts of bullshit to let booze slide around their egotistical privelaged views.

I mean this in the nicest possible way, friend to friends, but are any of you REALLY that shocked that a member of the human species (or a subgroup of that species) is hypocritical?   We can point to any economic class, any racial class, any religious class, virtually any breakdown you want to use, and find an example of head-shaking hypocrisy.    It's certainly worth it to note, but unless we're really willing to let our OWN hypocrisies go (mine included),  it's sort of a futile exercise.

Funny, before I fell asleep last night and scrolling through tiktok I got a video of someone showing these graphs of covid found in the sewege of Boston and I had meant to find the data this morning to share here as some more reasons that maybe this is a legit plateau. 

[Ben_Jamin]

America has a pretty sizable liberal demographic who are part of the anti-vax movement, coming from the "my body is a temple" point of view.

Yet they'll put a little blue pill with many side affects, in their bodies.  Thinking with one head but not the other.

Don't even ask them to give up their glass of chardonnay or IPA either.  They will go on and on about toxins and their gut microbiome and yet... 

So much this... Aside from tobacco, thwre is only one other proven class a carcinogen.. Alcohol... but it gets such a blatant, hypocritical pass in all the fucking woo circles. They make up all sorts of bullshit to let booze slide around their egotistical privelaged views.

https://www.verywellmind.com/the-cost-of-excessive-alcohol-use-in-the-u-s-67482

The quickest way to reduce these costs, says the CDC, would be to reduce binge drinking (defined as four or more drinks per occasion for women or five or more for men).2

To this end, the researchers suggested using several evidence-based strategies to reduce the impact of drinking on society:

Increasing the price of alcohol to discourage use, particularly among the young
Regulating the number and location of sites where alcohol is sold
Holding alcohol retailers liable for injuries or damages caused by intoxicated or underage customers
Avoiding the commercialization of state-controlled alcohol sales
While many of the suggestions would meet stiff opposition from government and industry, they do highlight that cost and access remain major drivers of widespread alcohol misuse in the U.S. Unless measures are taken to actively discourage drinking, says the CDC, it will be society at large that will end up paying.

It would be fascinating to take these Covid measures and apply them to Alcohol, since Society will be paying the price if measures are not taken to reduce the impact of drinking on society, and it will be beneficial for society.

Take my vodka and/or red wine away from me, and I'ma going all

 

[lonestar]

America has a pretty sizable liberal demographic who are part of the anti-vax movement, coming from the "my body is a temple" point of view.

Yet they'll put a little blue pill with many side affects, in their bodies.  Thinking with one head but not the other.

Don't even ask them to give up their glass of chardonnay or IPA either.  They will go on and on about toxins and their gut microbiome and yet... 

So much this... Aside from tobacco, thwre is only one other proven class a carcinogen.. Alcohol... but it gets such a blatant, hypocritical pass in all the fucking woo circles. They make up all sorts of bullshit to let booze slide around their egotistical privelaged views.

I mean this in the nicest possible way, friend to friends, but are any of you REALLY that shocked that a member of the human species (or a subgroup of that species) is hypocritical?   We can point to any economic class, any racial class, any religious class, virtually any breakdown you want to use, and find an example of head-shaking hypocrisy.    It's certainly worth it to note, but unless we're really willing to let our OWN hypocrisies go (mine included),  it's sort of a futile exercise.

Oh I'm definitely not surprised or shocked. We're all fully capable of bending reality to our own preconceptions, but the way it's consistently done with alcohol and health issues is fucking hysterical

[gmillerdrake]

My Dad and his common law wife tested positive today. Which is weird because they NEVER go anywhere. I asked them how they thought they got it and he told me they decided to go out to dinner last Friday night.....must have been then. They're both fully vaccinated and he says that it's really just feeling like a cold....but she is taking it a bit harder. He's 65...she's 68. Just have to hope it stays mild symptoms.

[TAC]

Hope they feel better Gary, but jeez, talk about bad luck.

[gmillerdrake]

Hope they feel better Gary, but jeez, talk about bad luck.

No kidding. They'll go full recluse after this. To be fair, they're both retired and live in the country in a pretty secluded area.....literally their house overlooks a small river. It's pretty peaceful. Only bummer part is that it's an hour and a half away from me so I don't get to see him as much as I'd like.

[cramx3]

Hope they recover quickly Gary, but that is pretty crazy how they caught it so easily for people who don't go out much.  Bad luck I guess, but man these days it just seems like covid is in the air no matter where you go.

[Stadler]

Gary, that's crazy; one excursion...  but that's the unpredictability of these types of viruses.   I certainly hope they are okay, and can weather the storm quickly.   Fingers crossed.

[lonestar]

Morning report says that Santa Clara county (Silicon Valley basically) wastewater reports are starting to show a downward trend in coronavirus. I could've sworn I heard a similar thing from Boston yesterday, so hopefully predictions of omicron being quick are coming to fruition.

[King whatever and the whoosie whatsie]

Morning report says that Santa Clara county (Silicon Valley basically) wastewater reports are starting to show a downward trend in coronavirus. I could've sworn I heard a similar thing from Boston yesterday, so hopefully predictions of omicron being quick are coming to fruition.

I've always said my shit isn't worth much.  How wrong I was.

[Stadler]

Morning report says that Santa Clara county (Silicon Valley basically) wastewater reports are starting to show a downward trend in coronavirus. I could've sworn I heard a similar thing from Boston yesterday, so hopefully predictions of omicron being quick are coming to fruition.

Somewhere here I posted that the New York Times reported that about Boston.  I'm going to proudly (and arrogantly) assume that's where you heard it.     

[lonestar]

Morning report says that Santa Clara county (Silicon Valley basically) wastewater reports are starting to show a downward trend in coronavirus. I could've sworn I heard a similar thing from Boston yesterday, so hopefully predictions of omicron being quick are coming to fruition.

Somewhere here I posted that the New York Times reported that about Boston.  I'm going to proudly (and arrogantly) assume that's where you heard it. 

Sure, you roll with that  

[Vmadera00]

I don't even know where to post this, but since it was born because of Covid I'll just throw in here.

https://youtu.be/RrOzY86YcEM?t=208

This is a professor's introduction to his class. I know is long but is it worth watching every second of it.

[Buddyhunter1]

Morning report says that Santa Clara county (Silicon Valley basically) wastewater reports are starting to show a downward trend in coronavirus. I could've sworn I heard a similar thing from Boston yesterday, so hopefully predictions of omicron being quick are coming to fruition.

Indeed: https://www.wbur.org/news/2022/01/12/wastewater-covid-level-decline-new-data

[bosk1]

I don't even know where to post this, but since it was born because of Covid I'll just throw in here.

https://youtu.be/RrOzY86YcEM?t=208

This is a professor's introduction to his class. I know is long but is it worth watching every second of it.

Well...good example of why tenure is a really stupid, outdated concept anyway.    What a disgrace.

[Dave_Manchester]

Got quite the mouth on him that guy. Whatever point he was making (I think I just about got it on the 2nd pass) was mostly lost on me in the dreadful delivery. I swear more than most in my writing but even for me that was ridiculously undisciplined and over the top.