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Re: Classical Composer Reacts to Various DT Songs
« Reply #350 on: September 21, 2023, 01:03:57 PM »
I'll make the analogy of going to the movies with a friend. Would you rather go with a friend who knows a bit about the film going in, like who the stars are, maybe the director or producers, the studio, the composer, and is mostly silent throughout the viewing? Or a friend who goes in completely blind and has to ask questions through the whole thing, especially if it's a film you know and are showing them for the first time?

I'm quite puzzled by this analogy.  If I go to a movie, I want the people I go with to be quiet, regardless of their prior knowledge of anyone involved with the movie.  If I go to a movie with someone who sits there and asks questions through the whole thing, it'll likely be the last time I attend a movie with that person.

Doug Helvering does homework (I don't think he did for his earliest reaction videos, but he certainly has for quite a while).  He makes no secret that he does that, and I don't see how it diminishes things.  I don't think he listens to songs ahead of time, though.  There are, of course, some songs he's reacted to that he's heard before (e.g., I think he reacted to Back in Black for some reason), and he says so when that's the case.  For bands like Rush and Dream Theater, he doesn't react the same way as when he first listened to them because he's become somewhat familiar with their style (compare his reactions to LVS and Octavarium with any of the more recent reactions).
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Re: Classical Composer Reacts to Various DT Songs
« Reply #351 on: September 21, 2023, 01:59:17 PM »
No one has ever asked me who the director of the movie is during the movie and that would be pretty silly.

I used to enjoy big doug's reactions for their genuine, raw responses. Learning that he does research beforehand does give his analyses more depth, but it does take away from the authenticity of the initial reaction. It's like finding out your favorite magician's tricks – it makes you question what's genuine and what's staged.

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« Reply #352 on: September 21, 2023, 02:16:56 PM »
if you're watching a movie and you don't know who the director is, are you even watching it?  :corn :rollin
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Re: Classical Composer Reacts to Various DT Songs
« Reply #353 on: September 21, 2023, 02:29:33 PM »
I don't care whether a reactor has heard a song before or done research before.  It's only "staged" or "fake" when they say or imply that they haven't, when in fact they have.  Personally, I love it when a reactor says "I've heard this song before," or "I've seen this movie before," or "I've done some research beforehand so I can make some educated comments."  Nothing wrong with that whatsoever.  Just be honest.  I've heard some really insightful reactions from many who are upfront about already being familiar with the content they are watching.  Those kinds of videos and the analysis and discussion you get are just as valid as those where the person is experiencing something for the first time and just having something that is truly a "reaction."  They're both fun, for different reasons.

What kills me is the ones that are lying.  I remember a video awhile back where someone was reacting to Pisces, and like most other reaction videos, swore they had never heard the song before.  There were a few tells they were lying, but the funniest was when their timing was off, and they did the obligatory eye-pop and jaw-drop--a split second BEFORE Tatiana started growling.  :lol 

Anyway, as far as Doug's channel specifically, I grew tired of it a long time ago and dislike it for other reasons that have nothing to do with him having done research.  But good for him that he is doing something he likes, and is building a community of devoted supporters and making a bit of money from doing that. 
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Re: Classical Composer Reacts to Various DT Songs
« Reply #354 on: September 21, 2023, 03:12:40 PM »
I grew tired of it a long time ago and dislike it for other reasons that have nothing to do with him having done research

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Re: Classical Composer Reacts to Various DT Songs
« Reply #355 on: September 21, 2023, 03:17:02 PM »
Don't think I ever saw that, so no, not directly.  But it doesn't help his case. 
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« Reply #356 on: September 21, 2023, 03:20:06 PM »
Don't think I ever saw that, so no, not directly.  But it doesn't help his case.

ah, ok. yeah the first time i saw doug light up a bowl during a review (the other day when energythief shared the video, see above) i was a little shocked, lol. i don't have a problem with it but i probably wouldn't do it in my videos if it was me personally
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Re: Classical Composer Reacts to Various DT Songs
« Reply #357 on: September 21, 2023, 03:25:01 PM »
Don't think I ever saw that, so no, not directly.  But it doesn't help his case.

ah, ok. yeah the first time i saw doug light up a bowl during a review (the other day when energythief shared the video, see above) i was a little shocked, lol. i don't have a problem with it but i probably wouldn't do it in my videos if it was me personally

When I first saw him do that a year or two ago, it definitely caught me by surprise but I initial reaction was more along the lines of "Oh...so he's THAT kind of music fan. Nice." and every time he's done it since, it doesn't bother me much. Heck, some songs/bands are enhanced by that and I don't blame him for taking that into consideration when listening to music. It's legal in many states now anyways, so it's not like he's breaking any laws. He's also partaken in many beers and liquors while reacting as well, and I'm sure a lot of folks here have done that themselves, or know people who have, so I don't begrudge Doug for doing it himself.

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« Reply #358 on: September 21, 2023, 03:27:52 PM »
Don't think I ever saw that, so no, not directly.  But it doesn't help his case.

ah, ok. yeah the first time i saw doug light up a bowl during a review (the other day when energythief shared the video, see above) i was a little shocked, lol. i don't have a problem with it but i probably wouldn't do it in my videos if it was me personally

When I first saw him do that a year or two ago, it definitely caught me by surprise but I initial reaction was more along the lines of "Oh...so he's THAT kind of music fan. Nice." and every time he's done it since, it doesn't bother me much. Heck, some songs/bands are enhanced by that and I don't blame him for taking that into consideration when listening to music. It's legal in many states now anyways, so it's not like he's breaking any laws. He's also partaken in many beers and liquors while reacting as well, and I'm sure a lot of folks here have done that themselves, or know people who have, so I don't begrudge Doug for doing it himself.

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totally. i guess i just wouldn't film myself smoking weed on a monetized platform. not a judgement call, i smoke plenty of herb lol, but just something of myself i wouldn't want out there in public generally. again, it's not something that turns me away either but i am always like "huh" when i see it lol.
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Re: Classical Composer Reacts to Various DT Songs
« Reply #359 on: September 21, 2023, 04:16:13 PM »
if you're watching a movie and you don't know who the director is, are you even watching it?  :corn :rollin

Aside from Star Wars and Raiders of the Lost Ark movies (and probably a few others), I doubt I've ever known who directed the movies I've seen.  I've seen three movies in the theater this year and have watched several others at home, and I have no idea who directed any of them.


I don't care whether a reactor has heard a song before or done research before.  It's only "staged" or "fake" when they say or imply that they haven't, when in fact they have.  Personally, I love it when a reactor says "I've heard this song before," or "I've seen this movie before," or "I've done some research beforehand so I can make some educated comments."  Nothing wrong with that whatsoever.  Just be honest.

Bingo.  When Doug did side 1 of Blizzard of Ozz, he noted that he had, of course, heard Crazy Train before, but he noted that he had never given it a critical listen.
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Re: Classical Composer Reacts to Various DT Songs
« Reply #360 on: September 22, 2023, 03:11:23 PM »
Doug did a reaction on In the Presence of Enemies, pt. I & pt.II. "They gave it the good old Shine on You Crazy Diamond-treatment, by splitting it up." Very nice reactionvideo.
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« Reply #361 on: September 22, 2023, 03:35:54 PM »
Doug did a reaction on In the Presence of Enemies, pt. I & pt.II. "They gave it the good old Shine on You Crazy Diamond-treatment, by splitting it up." Very nice reactionvideo.

is that a new video?
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« Reply #362 on: September 22, 2023, 04:14:29 PM »
Doug did a reaction on In the Presence of Enemies, pt. I & pt.II. "They gave it the good old Shine on You Crazy Diamond-treatment, by splitting it up." Very nice reactionvideo.

is that a new video?

New as of today.
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« Reply #363 on: September 22, 2023, 04:27:42 PM »
Awesome.  I'll have to check that out later tonight after I self medicate.  lol   :hat :2metal:
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« Reply #364 on: September 22, 2023, 06:45:10 PM »
Awesome.  I'll have to check that out later tonight after I self medicate.  lol   :hat :2metal:

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Re: Classical Composer Reacts to Various DT Songs
« Reply #365 on: September 22, 2023, 10:34:38 PM »
Wim pointed out something I don't see mentioned very often...

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Re: Classical Composer Reacts to Various DT Songs
« Reply #366 on: November 02, 2023, 02:22:34 PM »
The Doug is doing another one this monday and let us choose which one,

- A Nightmare to Remember
- In the Name of God
- The Best of Times
- The Big Medley

I chose The Big Medley, which is obviously not gonna win. Looking forward to the reactionvideo, from probably In the Name of God.
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« Reply #367 on: November 02, 2023, 02:31:42 PM »
I really hope it's ITNOG.  It'll be fun to see him catch the Battle Hymn of the Republic at the end.
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« Reply #368 on: November 02, 2023, 07:53:38 PM »
I really hope it's ITNOG.  It'll be fun to see him catch the Battle Hymn of the Republic at the end.

Assuming that ITNOG wins, he may end up doing the live version from Budokan
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« Reply #369 on: November 02, 2023, 10:06:32 PM »
I really hope it's ITNOG.  It'll be fun to see him catch the Battle Hymn of the Republic at the end.

Assuming that ITNOG wins, he may end up doing the live version from Budokan

Isn't ITNOG one of the few album epics he hasn't done yet for a DT Video? Probably that and the AMBI suite are all that's left.

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« Reply #370 on: November 03, 2023, 09:56:19 AM »
I really hope it's ITNOG.  It'll be fun to see him catch the Battle Hymn of the Republic at the end.

Assuming that ITNOG wins, he may end up doing the live version from Budokan
That would also be excellent.
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« Reply #371 on: November 03, 2023, 10:03:06 AM »
I really hope it's ITNOG.  It'll be fun to see him catch the Battle Hymn of the Republic at the end.

Assuming that ITNOG wins, he may end up doing the live version from Budokan

I hope not.  There have been several songs where he's picked live versions.  He really ought to do the studio version.  We'll see in a few hours next week, I guess.
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« Reply #372 on: November 03, 2023, 12:46:20 PM »
I really hope it's ITNOG.  It'll be fun to see him catch the Battle Hymn of the Republic at the end.

Assuming that ITNOG wins, he may end up doing the live version from Budokan

Isn't ITNOG one of the few album epics he hasn't done yet for a DT Video? Probably that and the AMBI suite are all that's left.

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Pretty much. I've been banging the drum for Awake to get the same treatment he did for I&W where he breaks the album up into sides over a couple episodes.

I really hope it's ITNOG.  It'll be fun to see him catch the Battle Hymn of the Republic at the end.

Assuming that ITNOG wins, he may end up doing the live version from Budokan

I hope not.  There have been several songs where he's picked live versions.  He really ought to do the studio version.  We'll see in a few hours, I guess.

He might well do the album version, but at least one or two people in his Discord have been lobbying for the live version.
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« Reply #373 on: November 13, 2023, 02:51:04 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggrYzHpH3ko

Studio version.  Decent analysis.  Lots of focus on the lyrics.  I really wish he'd stop the recording once in a while to try and pick up on some of the timing nuances.
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« Reply #374 on: November 17, 2023, 06:00:15 PM »
Yeah that wasn’t one of his best. Lots of head banging, air drumming, and lyrical commentary.   :tdwn

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« Reply #375 on: November 18, 2023, 04:57:37 AM »
Decent, but surely not one of his best. Illumination Theory, The Count and Octavarium (studio version), those remain his best I would say... all downhill after that.
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« Reply #376 on: November 18, 2023, 07:45:57 AM »
Doug air-drumming to any song is the whitest white man shit I have ever seen.
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if anyone was interested in Doug's DT take. maybe the youtubers should have invited him to join DTF!
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