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« Reply #280 on: May 16, 2023, 10:13:49 AM »
I found part 2 similarly underwhelming. He did react so the video fulfilled its purpose but I think the next thing to do to make these these things more interesting is for Doug to talk about what's going on in the song or in a section. It doesn't have to be a deep dive, but just reading some of the lyrics and making drum movements gets boring. That's why part 1 and 2 are basically the same.

He obviously has the knowledge to talk about these songs in more depth so would love to see him react maybe to the different musical ideas employed in the songs. That would take a lot more work on his end so I get why it's probably not happening but just a thought.

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« Reply #281 on: May 16, 2023, 11:36:30 AM »
Well, it's not like he should talk too much over the song.  He can always stop the song if he needs to make a specific point, but he probably doesn't want to do that a whole lot either.  It detracts from the flow of the song.  It is what it is.  I'm sure a lot of viewers are listening to these songs for the first time.  I'm sure they're not looking for a lot of in depth analysis like those of us who are more familiar with the material.
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« Reply #282 on: May 16, 2023, 07:20:10 PM »
Well, it's not like he should talk too much over the song.  He can always stop the song if he needs to make a specific point, but he probably doesn't want to do that a whole lot either.  It detracts from the flow of the song.  It is what it is.  I'm sure a lot of viewers are listening to these songs for the first time.  I'm sure they're not looking for a lot of in depth analysis like those of us who are more familiar with the material.

Interesting. I would have thought the opposite. If you'd never heard the song why would your first encounter be watching someone else react to it?

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« Reply #283 on: May 17, 2023, 08:22:37 AM »
Well, it's not like he should talk too much over the song.  He can always stop the song if he needs to make a specific point, but he probably doesn't want to do that a whole lot either.  It detracts from the flow of the song.  It is what it is.  I'm sure a lot of viewers are listening to these songs for the first time.  I'm sure they're not looking for a lot of in depth analysis like those of us who are more familiar with the material.

Interesting. I would have thought the opposite. If you'd never heard the song why would your first encounter be watching someone else react to it?

Why not?  Are you here just to start an argument?  You don't think he has first time listeners tuning in to his channel?  You don't think he turns people on to certain types of music with his reaction videos?  If you're trying to start a debate with me, you're wasting your time.  Move on.
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« Reply #284 on: May 17, 2023, 09:08:14 AM »
Well, it's not like he should talk too much over the song.  He can always stop the song if he needs to make a specific point, but he probably doesn't want to do that a whole lot either.  It detracts from the flow of the song.  It is what it is.  I'm sure a lot of viewers are listening to these songs for the first time.  I'm sure they're not looking for a lot of in depth analysis like those of us who are more familiar with the material.

Interesting. I would have thought the opposite. If you'd never heard the song why would your first encounter be watching someone else react to it?

Agree, and I doubt many people are hearing these songs for the first time via Doug's channel.
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Re: Classical Composer Reacts to Various DT Songs
« Reply #285 on: May 17, 2023, 10:24:50 AM »
Well, it's not like he should talk too much over the song.  He can always stop the song if he needs to make a specific point, but he probably doesn't want to do that a whole lot either.  It detracts from the flow of the song.  It is what it is.  I'm sure a lot of viewers are listening to these songs for the first time.  I'm sure they're not looking for a lot of in depth analysis like those of us who are more familiar with the material.

Interesting. I would have thought the opposite. If you'd never heard the song why would your first encounter be watching someone else react to it?

Agree, and I doubt many people are hearing these songs for the first time via Doug's channel.
I would think many people are.

Many people get turned on to a particular reactor because they found or heard about a video where they are reacting to their favorite band.  Then if they like the reactor, they will watch some other videos they put out reacting to other acts.  From there, it is only a hop, skip, and a jump to watching your favorite reactor react to a song you've never heard before.  It happens a lot.
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« Reply #286 on: May 17, 2023, 12:01:18 PM »
I started this thread but now I'm over it.

A guy with his musical pedigree talking about a musically-complex band should be doing more analysis of the music.  Some lyrics, sure, but they're only about 33% of the package.

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« Reply #287 on: May 18, 2023, 10:02:35 AM »

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« Reply #288 on: May 18, 2023, 10:58:35 AM »
I enjoy the videos, maybe a slight annoyance at how he'll do a spoken word version of the lyrics as those same lyrics are actually being sung  :lol
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« Reply #289 on: May 18, 2023, 01:18:03 PM »
I notice that, somewhere along the way, he has stopped complaining about double bass drum parts.

He will be when it's Mangini playing... Doug 's a huge Portnoy fan, that's crystal clear after all these reaction videos.
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« Reply #290 on: May 19, 2023, 05:17:33 AM »
I notice that, somewhere along the way, he has stopped complaining about double bass drum parts.

He will be when it's Mangini playing... Doug 's a huge Portnoy fan, that's crystal clear after all these reaction videos.

Watching his other recent metal reactions, I think he’s finally gotten used to the constant double bass. And he’s like most Dream Theater fans: highly complimentary of Mangini but prefers Portnoy.
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« Reply #291 on: May 19, 2023, 09:55:47 AM »
I started this thread but now I'm over it.

A guy with his musical pedigree talking about a musically-complex band should be doing more analysis of the music.  Some lyrics, sure, but they're only about 33% of the package.

This is it.  "Classical composer reacts" carries some implication of musical analysis.  Otherwise, it's noting more than "Random white guy mouths some lyrics and plays air drums while listening to songs."
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« Reply #292 on: May 19, 2023, 09:57:40 AM »
The air drums is probably what bothers me most lol
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« Reply #293 on: May 19, 2023, 04:58:44 PM »
As far as the amount of lyrical discussion/analysis, he's a classical composer, but predominantly of choral music, so lyrics generally are fairly important to him.
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« Reply #294 on: May 24, 2023, 06:56:33 PM »
I watched him react to another song by another band recently (it was Man in the Box by Alice In Chains to be specific), and he talked about chord progressions as well as lyrics. I think for the more musically dense stuff like Dream Theater and Haken, it’s a lot to digest in real time so he focuses on lyrics and highlights the musical things that really grab him. The thing I wish he would do more is rhythmic analysis, as the rhythmic complexity is a big part of these prog metal bands’ sound, and I think it would be interesting to hear his take as classical music has a looser rhythm structure so he would be coming at the topic from a different perspective.
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« Reply #295 on: May 25, 2023, 11:48:18 AM »
Regarding the double bass, it's entirely down to the headphones he was using before. The cheap ones he was using hyped up the bass way too much and made double bass sound terrible. Ever since he upgraded to proper headphones, there's been no complaints
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« Reply #296 on: June 17, 2023, 12:45:57 PM »
As you all probably 've seen by now, he reacted to The Stream of Consiousness, Budokan. "Spicey as shit," as Doug mentioned. I truly like this reaction video... but it could also be because of my new Marshall headphone.
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« Reply #297 on: July 30, 2023, 10:22:54 PM »
Doug did Octavarium again, but now the live version on Score. Once again a very nice reactionvideo, worth watching.

And man, what nailed LaBrie the lyrics here, perfect performance.
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« Reply #298 on: July 31, 2023, 06:20:07 AM »
Doug did Octavarium again, but now the live version on Score. Once again a very nice reactionvideo, worth watching.

And man, what nailed LaBrie the lyrics here, perfect performance.

Is it just me or did Doug actually spend a reasonable amount of time this time around actually talking about the music itself, rather than just air drumming and reading lyrics?

I felt like he did a much more analytical job on this one.

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« Reply #299 on: July 31, 2023, 06:26:47 AM »
Doug did Octavarium again, but now the live version on Score. Once again a very nice reactionvideo, worth watching.

And man, what nailed LaBrie the lyrics here, perfect performance.

Is it just me or did Doug actually spend a reasonable amount of time this time around actually talking about the music itself, rather than just air drumming and reading lyrics?

I felt like he did a much more analytical job on this one.

Maybe a bit easier to do when you can watch the players play their instruments rather than looking at the album art. If he's got a music video to watch, I feel like he's not looking at lyrics as much, so he'll probably analyze the music more.

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« Reply #300 on: July 31, 2023, 06:46:04 AM »
True.

He also analyzed a live performance of Dance of Eternity (Fourth Wall) and have to say, didn't spoke about the lyrics that much there either...
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« Reply #301 on: July 31, 2023, 07:13:41 AM »
True.

He also analyzed a live performance of Dance of Eternity (Fourth Wall) and have to say, didn't spoke about the lyrics that much there either...

It's amazing how James nails TDOE everytime, though!

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« Reply #302 on: July 31, 2023, 07:45:10 AM »
It's amazing how James nails TDOE everytime, though!

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It really is, stunning...
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« Reply #303 on: August 02, 2023, 03:35:12 PM »
Doug did Octavarium again, but now the live version on Score. Once again a very nice reactionvideo, worth watching.

And man, what nailed LaBrie the lyrics here, perfect performance.

Watching this video, and in turn rewatching this performance, how the hell have Dream Theater not brought this song back into a live setting? The crowd was already into it back then, and now this song is considered one of their absolute best.
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« Reply #304 on: August 18, 2023, 10:36:41 AM »
Saving it (Octavarium) for 2025 live?

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« Reply #305 on: August 18, 2023, 10:55:26 AM »
Doug did Octavarium again, but now the live version on Score. Once again a very nice reactionvideo, worth watching.

And man, what nailed LaBrie the lyrics here, perfect performance.

Watching this video, and in turn rewatching this performance, how the hell have Dream Theater not brought this song back into a live setting? The crowd was already into it back then, and now this song is considered one of their absolute best.

No promises as to whether it will show up in the future, but I mentioned it to JP after the DreamSonic show a few weeks ago, and he seemed really receptive to the idea of bringing it out live again at some point.  There have been plenty of times I have mentioned songs and gotten a colder response, but he seemed pretty enthusiastic about Octavarium.
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« Reply #306 on: August 18, 2023, 10:58:35 AM »
Doug did Octavarium again, but now the live version on Score. Once again a very nice reactionvideo, worth watching.

And man, what nailed LaBrie the lyrics here, perfect performance.

Watching this video, and in turn rewatching this performance, how the hell have Dream Theater not brought this song back into a live setting? The crowd was already into it back then, and now this song is considered one of their absolute best.

No promises as to whether it will show up in the future, but I mentioned it to JP after the DreamSonic show a few weeks ago, and he seemed really receptive to the idea of bringing it out live again at some point.  There have been plenty of times I have mentioned songs and gotten a colder response, but he seemed pretty enthusiastic about Octavarium.

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It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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« Reply #307 on: August 18, 2023, 11:19:24 AM »
I would be over the moon... complete.
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« Reply #308 on: August 21, 2023, 03:24:49 PM »
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« Reply #309 on: August 21, 2023, 06:38:50 PM »
Doug did Octavarium again, but now the live version on Score. Once again a very nice reactionvideo, worth watching.

And man, what nailed LaBrie the lyrics here, perfect performance.

Watching this video, and in turn rewatching this performance, how the hell have Dream Theater not brought this song back into a live setting? The crowd was already into it back then, and now this song is considered one of their absolute best.
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No promises as to whether it will show up in the future, but I mentioned it to JP after the DreamSonic show a few weeks ago, and he seemed really receptive to the idea of bringing it out live again at some point.  There have been plenty of times I have mentioned songs and gotten a colder response, but he seemed pretty enthusiastic about Octavarium.

Not to derail this too much but I just wanted to ask you a question. When talking to JP do you get the sense that he has a pretty good grasp on what the average fan likes? Like what the fan favorites are?  It seems like Octavarium would have been brought back out by now without you or anyone else bringing it up to him.
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« Reply #310 on: August 25, 2023, 01:00:36 PM »
Doug did Octavarium again, but now the live version on Score. Once again a very nice reactionvideo, worth watching.

And man, what nailed LaBrie the lyrics here, perfect performance.

Watching this video, and in turn rewatching this performance, how the hell have Dream Theater not brought this song back into a live setting? The crowd was already into it back then, and now this song is considered one of their absolute best.

No promises as to whether it will show up in the future, but I mentioned it to JP after the DreamSonic show a few weeks ago, and he seemed really receptive to the idea of bringing it out live again at some point.  There have been plenty of times I have mentioned songs and gotten a colder response, but he seemed pretty enthusiastic about Octavarium.

I could legitimately die happy if I heard this live.
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« Reply #311 on: August 25, 2023, 06:02:23 PM »
Doug did Octavarium again, but now the live version on Score. Once again a very nice reactionvideo, worth watching.

And man, what nailed LaBrie the lyrics here, perfect performance.

Watching this video, and in turn rewatching this performance, how the hell have Dream Theater not brought this song back into a live setting? The crowd was already into it back then, and now this song is considered one of their absolute best.
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No promises as to whether it will show up in the future, but I mentioned it to JP after the DreamSonic show a few weeks ago, and he seemed really receptive to the idea of bringing it out live again at some point.  There have been plenty of times I have mentioned songs and gotten a colder response, but he seemed pretty enthusiastic about Octavarium.

Not to derail this too much but I just wanted to ask you a question. When talking to JP do you get the sense that he has a pretty good grasp on what the average fan likes? Like what the fan favorites are?  It seems like Octavarium would have been brought back out by now without you or anyone else bringing it up to him.
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« Reply #312 on: August 30, 2023, 01:37:47 PM »
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« Reply #313 on: August 31, 2023, 07:45:03 AM »
but I also did express some disappointment at some of the things that were brought back again (CiaW, parts of SDoIT) as opposed to other things that haven't been played in the MM era. So he asked what I would like to have and my first response was "anything that hasn’t been played with Mike Mangini yet"

You'd think this would be the obvious request, and thus you'd think it would also be the obvious approach to picking older songs for a setlist. And it's not even about "I wanna hear what Mangini will do with these songs", it's just the very basic "this is stuff you haven't played in at least 13 years". Most of which used to be played every now and then until 2009, so we're not talking about songs that nobody ever liked in the first place. I mean, songs like The Glass Prison, Blind Faith, Hollow Years, Lines in the Sand, Erotomania... come on!
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« Reply #314 on: August 31, 2023, 09:12:13 AM »
Most of TOT and OVM have been neglected for the last decade. Not my favorite albums, but there's some very nice stuff there that has been ignored for long time.
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."