The Native American question is interesting to me and I haven't been sure how to respond to Benjamin with proper sensitivity. But aren't the native Americans one of the hardest groups hit here? I have seen several tribal leaders on TV urging people to get the vaccine. Studies such as the one below don't inspire a lot of confidence:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6949a3.htm
I first want to say I am not at all offended by what was said. And no offense was taken. It's a sensitive topic and one I am willing to take the hits on.
Yes, we are, because of these conditions a lot of us have. And I have posted about some reasons why we do have such a high rate of this. It's why our leaders are doing what they are doing and shut down access to our reservations, anyone not a member of the tribe is considered trespassing, no exceptions.
And TAC, that was a great response. I found it funny.
We are human just the same, and I know darn well we aren't immune to this or any sicknesses. No race is immune. Even the animals are not immune to sicknesses and diseases, even Plants.
What we did have were herbs. And what we ate was what we grew ourselves. That was how we lived and how we would have continued to live if not for what history tells.
We were healthy people, and sustained ourselves quite well. It wasn't until we became slave laborers when we started to become malnourished and exposed to the sicknesses that were brought here by the Europeans. The only way we really succumbed was because of the conditions we we're forced into because of the enslavement, the destruction of the land, and the disruption of our way of life in general.
All these things contribute to why our peoples rates are high for these conditions.
It's only until now that our people are finally able to do what we can to bring that way of living back again. Some of us are eating healthier diets, some are changing their diets and finding out that simple change helped them heal way more than the quick fix of the drug or herb.
The point of the herbs and remedies are to ease the pain. There is no cure, but there are things we humans can do for ourselves that work. A simple diet change does work.
We are also not immune to corruption and that is where I have issues with a lot of things our leaders and our people do. We have assimilated so much that we are forgetting our Identity.
It's an interesting history.
Just like America, the people in the Tribes all don't agree with each other, there's been quarrels that have even made us war, and even cities once magnificent perished as the people abandoned it due to the disagreements.
First off, thanks for this response. I really appreciate that you are here on these forums to provide a different perspective.
Now, I'll wind up with something that I am sure you've heard before, but since I haven't heard your answer to it, I'll go anyway...
Tribal or not, I think it's human nature to think back on what our ancestors had done, and how their lives were immune to the challenges with face today because of some missing modern factor. But the problem that comes up here is that there's nothing anyone's ancestors did wrong that could have been avoided (the "that could have been avoided" part being operative), because all of history has been moving in this direction - population growth, overcrowding, food and resource scarcity, pollution, urbanization, etc., all of the above making the world ripe for these kind of pandemics. North America was ripe for the first nations to live a certain way, other places in the world humans adapted a different way. If it weren't white settlers, it would have been someone else, eventually. And sooner or later, we would have arrived at the moment we are now - so how do we live today?
I do agree with part of what you are saying, that there's more to it that just masks and vaccines. What about exercise? Drinking less/not at all? Not smoking? Eating a healthy diet? Yes, surely, everyone is responsible for their own health at the end of the day. And as far as herbs - sure. That opinion exists, and is not entirely unfounded: the Chinese government, for example, have claimed that Traditional Chinese Medicine was somewhat effective fighting the virus (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7439087/).
I have told people in this thread to talk to medical professionals, and get expert advice. I am not saying that western medicine is the ONLY valid opinion. But this - talking to experts, weighing their different ideas and opinions, and deciding what is best for you - is much different than just burying oneself in a mountain of fringe podcasts and alternative news sources.
Thanks man, being someone from a not very well known perspective, and one that many people think is extinct, I appreciate the responses. It's weird, because out of all places to be discussing these things. This place is one with very intelligent and well moderated discussions, and I enjoy discussing all these topics that we all discuss on here. Its why I love it here as well...
Now then, I posted this in the Coronavirus thread, but It's very relevant here.
https://youtu.be/eTUZnhkKQpwWhat he says, I realized when the virus had expanded into the pandemic. It's why I stopped drinking and ended up quitting smoking, and actually going out and doing what I should have been doing all these years I was drinking my life away. It's also why, I only blame myself, for if I get the sickness. Because I chose to live this way, I chose to do these things that were unhealthy to my body, and these things we were told before were not beneficial for us, yet we did them anyways and now look where some of us are, afraid of dying and getting severe symptoms (this isn't blaming anyone or faulting anyone for rightfully, worrying). And now, I am trying to change my habits to living with nature again. A thing my people, and all people once did. Living in connection with Nature, and the understanding that it provides us everything we need essentially to survive and thrive.
It's when Greed and Disrespect for Nature is when troubles begin to brew and form. It's what I think happened with the European peoples. I am not necessarily blaming the Europeans for anything they have done, as what they have done was human nature, and what they knew. For me, they forgot, or more so, lost that connection with Nature and the Earth, and became corrupted with Greed, which filled people with the disrespect for Nature and People, as that Greed feeds off of wanting more and more and more. Greed can corrupt the soul.
As we are all one race, the Human Race. No race is immune to these troubles. And as you said, If it wasn't the Europeans, it would've likely been some other race. These were things we knew and understood, because these troubles and ways all have happened before. It's why that this knowledge we once knew and forgot, is coming around again and us humans are re-learning this forgotten knowledge. Both the good and the bad. It's also in our stories of the old worlds and their destruction how a certain demographic of people became corrupted and destroyed the world. And Nature, and the Creator, had to interfere and destroy to recreate the world...
I also saw this experiment, and video from old Reel to Reel clips
In Mouse City, Calhoun provided his research subjects food, water, bedding, protection from predators--all that they needed except adequate space. The results were destructive and dramatic. Based on these experiments, Calhoun drew conclusions about human behavior in overcrowded conditions, such as high-density public housing.
https://youtu.be/iOFveSUmh9UIt's fascinating to see what happened with the mice, and how they dwindled and just died off, because they didn't reproduce and repopulate, all because they didn't have the space to live with how many mice were now in the living space.
That reminds me of the concept of "BE" and the song Nihil Morari.
"Oceans
Forests
Nations
Now everything bears our name
While Earth is bleeding
Nothing will remain
Nothing prevails...
...I can see us read the signs
But spell them out in backward travesty
I see us close our eyes
To all the wounds that we inflict to this world by being "free"
We love this world to death
Purchasing our lifestyles with our lives
Defending our momentarily nations
With the loss of our priceless earthly home"
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