2021 NFL Thread v. Super Bowl 56: Rams vs Bengals

[TAC]

Zo is a douche.

[KevShmev]

I saw that.  Lol. Me, Cam brings takes like this on himself.

Huh? How did Cam bring a terrible take like this on himself? 

[King Postwhore]

Zo is on a sports talk radio up here in N.E. Right now he is taking a beating for not being vaccinated and then missing 5 days with the covid protocols.

Right now the rookie QB looks like he's catching on fast so Cam can't afford to miss time.  He was so bad last year that it opens him up to stupid takes.

[KevShmev]

Stupid takes are the hallmark of sports talk radio. 

[King Postwhore]

Especially up here where it's 24/7 New England sports talk.

[TAC]

Stupid takes are the hallmark of sports talk radio. 

Scott Zolak is an obnoxious man-child. He does color on the Pats' radio broadcast, where he can be pretty good. He does a daily 10-2 talk show where he says the most stupid immature, borderline offensive comments. Often times I've wondered if something he says would get picked up nationally, he'd be in trouble.

He has junior high humor that's not even funny. He also has a penchant for 80's music.


If he is talking football on his show, he's pretty good, but any other sport and he only knows the headlines. NO prep. Just dumb trying to be funny comments that too often are off color.

I hope this episode causes waves.

[KevShmev]

He can't be all bad then if he has a penchant for 80's music.

[TAC]

He can't be all bad then if he has a penchant for 80's music.

Well, I mentioned that as the opposite of rap.

[King Postwhore]

You make him out as a monster Tim. He's nothing like that. Felger & Maz are negative all the time because they know it's ratings gold. They are the issue with sports talk today.  Not Zo.

[TAC]

You make him out as a monster Tim. He's nothing like that. Felger & Maz are negative all the time because they know it's ratings gold. They are the issue with sports talk today.  Not Zo.

He's a fucking ass clown. Felger and Mazz are actually quite bright and perceptive. I would say the same for Marc Bertrand.
I just don't find his frat boy humor all that funny. How old are we?

[King Postwhore]

But he's always been harmless. Felger and Maz are negative in a 13-3 season. Don't get me wrong,  I listen to them to hate on them.

[KevShmev]

The Athletic is going a countdown of the top 100 NFL players ever.  100-11 so far:

100: OLB Derrick Brooks
99: C Dermontti Dawson
98: HB Steve Van Buren
97: C Jim Otto
96: TE Mike Ditka
95: QB Fran Tarkenton
94: E-HB Elroy Hirsch
93: MLB Mike Singletary
92: HB Lenny Moore
91: DE Willie Davis
90: CB Willie Brown
89: QB Bobby Layne
88: CB Darrell Green
87: CB Champ Bailey
86: DT Buck Buchanan
85: C-T Bulldog Turner
84: C Mel Hein
83: DT Leo Nomellini
82: TE Kellen Winslow
81: TE John Mackey
80: MLB Willie Lanier
79: CB Mike Haynes
78: QB Roger Staubach
77: OLB Ted Hendricks
76: LT Art Shell
75: WR Paul Warfield
74: OLB Bobby Bell
73: FB Marion Motley
72: RB Adrian Peterson
71: CB Mel Blount
70: RB Marshall Faulk
69: QB Terry Bradshaw
68: CB-S Charles Woodson
67: LG Gene Upshaw
66: RB Earl Campbell
65: LB Joe Schmidt
64: LT Walter Jones
63: E Raymond Berry
62: MLB Ray Nitschke
61: QB Bart Starr
60: LT Jonathan Ogden
59: LB Junior Seau
58: CB Herb Adderley
57: C Mike Webster
56: TE Rob Gronkowski
55: WR Lance Alworth
54: C-LB Chuck Bednarik
53: RB Gale Sayers
52: OLB Jack Ham
51: RB LaDainian Tomlinson
50: CB Dick “Night Train” Lane
49: QB Steve Young
48: QB Sid Luckman
47: DT Randy White
46: TE Tony Gonzalez
45: G Larry Allen
44: G-C-T Bruce Matthews
43: QB Drew Brees
42: T-G Jim Parker
41: RB O.J. Simpson
40: RB Eric Dickerson
39: S Ed Reed
38: WR Randy Moss
37: MLB Jack Lambert
36: RT Forrest Gregg
35: DE J.J. Watt
34: DE Gino Marchetti
33: FB Bronko Nagurski
32: DT Alan Page
31: DT-DE Bob Lilly
30: LT Merlin Olsen
29: RB Emmitt Smith
28: CB Deion Sanders
27: RB Barry Sanders
26: CB-S Rod Woodson
25: LG John Hannah
24: DT-DE  Aaron Donald
23: QB-S-P Sammy Baugh
22: QB Brett Favre
21: QB Aaron Rodgers
20: DE Bruce Smith
19: CB-S Ronnie Lott
18: QB Dan Marino
17: MLB/ILB Ray Lewis
16: DE Deacon Jones
15: QB John Elway
14: DT Joe Greene
13: E Don Hutson
12: LT Anthony Munoz
11: QB Otto Graham

Looks like the top 10 will be: Jerry Rice, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas, Jim Brown, Walter Payton Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White and Dick Butkus.  Will be interesting to see the order. 

Also, we await the meltdown from Terrell Owens because he not only didn't make the list, but Randy Moss did. 

[Stadler]

Honestly, as much of a fan of Brady and Manning as I am, LT needs to be at #1.  He FUNDAMENTALLY changed the game to this day.   Brady "just" excelled at the game he was playing.

[Stadler]

Stupid takes are the hallmark of sports talk radio. 

Scott Zolak is an obnoxious man-child. He does color on the Pats' radio broadcast, where he can be pretty good. He does a daily 10-2 talk show where he says the most stupid immature, borderline offensive comments. Often times I've wondered if something he says would get picked up nationally, he'd be in trouble.

He has junior high humor that's not even funny. He also has a penchant for 80's music.


If he is talking football on his show, he's pretty good, but any other sport and he only knows the headlines. NO prep. Just dumb trying to be funny comments that too often are off color.

I hope this episode causes waves.

I don't listen to enough of Pats sports radio to have a comment on the general presentation (though I listened to ESPN radio most of the weekend and it's hilarious how easy you can spot the "I'm looking to stir up shit" comments) but Zolak isn't entirely wrong, even if that's the worst way of making the point.   I've long had a problem with any player - white or black - that has more energy for dancing and fucking around than for learning and knowing the playbook.   I'll take the player - white or black - that is focused, and is putting every neuron that's firing in that moment into making the team better.   Maybe, MAYBE, if you're Brady or Mahomes (since he's the greatest of all time now) can get away with it, because they are winning at every turn, even when they have no business whatsoever of winning.   As long as Cam keeps making MENTAL ERRORS, like putting the ball on the turf on the one yard line, holding the ball like a loaf of bread IN THE WRONG HAND when his only job is to protect the football, then I think it's fair game to question where his head is at while dancing around the field.   WHITE OR BLACK.   It seems as if there isn't room to make ANY negative comments about black quarterbacks.   (That same ESPN group was essentially aurally fellating Justin Fields for most of the weekend, and outright mocking Nagy for his choice to start Andy Dalton in game one.)

[hefdaddy42]

Also, we await the meltdown from Terrell Owens because he not only didn't make the list, but Randy Moss did. 

lol

[KevShmev]

Honestly, as much of a fan of Brady and Manning as I am, LT needs to be at #1.  He FUNDAMENTALLY changed the game to this day.   Brady "just" excelled at the game he was playing.

They'd never do it, but I'd be find with LT at number 1.  Honestly, LT, Brady, Rice or Peyton being number 1 would be fine with me, but I know that no QB is going ahead of Brady at this point, and I am fine with that given how much success he has now had.  All I know is that LT and Rice are the two most dominant players I have ever seen since I started watching football in the mid 80's.

[King Postwhore]

If he's not #1, he was set up like a mother fucker!

[Cool Chris]

Getting back to that Zolak/Newton story... it might not apply in this situation, but I don't like the narrative of "he sucked as a player, so his analysis sucks." Some of the best analysts in all sports were mediocre players. Same goes with coaching. Just as being a HoF'er as a player doesn't automatically make you good at either.

[TAC]

Getting back to that Zolak/Newton story... it might not apply in this situation, but I don't like the narrative of "he sucked as a player, so his analysis sucks." Some of the best analysts in all sports were mediocre players. Same goes with coaching. Just as being a HoF'er as a player doesn't automatically make you good at either.

Zo is pretty good if he's just talking football and describing the action. He definitely sees things.

[King Postwhore]

Getting back to that Zolak/Newton story... it might not apply in this situation, but I don't like the narrative of "he sucked as a player, so his analysis sucks." Some of the best analysts in all sports were mediocre players. Same goes with coaching. Just as being a HoF'er as a player doesn't automatically make you good at either.

That's just weak way to attack.  Truth is Zo should have said music.  Left out the rap.  Then they couldn't claim racism.

Dumb call by Zo but not a fireable offense 

[TAC]

Dumb call by Zo but not a fireable offense

Shit should add up though. No one in Boston will call him out. Besides Alex Reimer who got fucked because he is a nobody.

[King Postwhore]

Alex got fucked because he called Brady's kid a "Piss Ant."

[TAC]

Not half as bad as what Zo said.

[King Postwhore]

I completely disagree.   

He went after a child.

Zo said a QB was distracted by music. If the grown QB, who had a terrible season the year before, focused to get better and not miss time when the team drafted a rookie QB with their 1st pick then you'd have a point.

[TAC]

I completely disagree.   

[King Postwhore]

You really thing Zo's intent was racial or about his bad QB play?

Compared to Reimer attacking a child of a pro player which has nothing to do with sports Tim?

Come on man.

[TAC]

You really thing Zo's intent was racial or about his bad QB play?

Do I think it was racial?...I don't know what's in Zo's head any more than you do. But what he said can easily be construed as racist. Easily. But Zo is a fucking numbskull. Just because uses a racial stereotype..I will not make a judgement that HE is a racist. But what he said..definitely was.


Reimer got fucking buried by the Boston sports media. Buried. It was overkill. I heard Dale Arnold absolutely excoriate him on air. WEEI had to overreact. Brady was a sponsored guest.

Mike Milbury lost his job for something far less than what Zo said.

[King Postwhore]

Reimer deserved it.  You said Zo is a numbskull.   Exactly.  You know what he meant as a person in that position.  Was is a bit, get off my lawn?  Yup.  I think he just meant he was so bad the year before and he missed 5 days for covid protocols that he needed to focus because he has a #1 draft pick looking better than him in pre season.

[TAC]

  You know what he meant as a person in that position.  Was is a bit, get off my lawn?  Yup.  I think he just meant he was so bad the year before and he missed 5 days for covid protocols that he needed to focus because he has a #1 draft pick looking better than him in pre season.

That's probably what he meant, sure. But what he said ...I guess we just see it differently. Look, I can't stand the guy. I make that clear up front. He's fucking lucky all he had to do was apologize.

[King Postwhore]

That's what is clouding your judgement.  What Reimer said was way worse.

[TAC]

So Reimer can make an insulting comment about Brady's kid..not sexual, not racist, not vulgar, just stupid..and Zo can make use a racist stereotype?

OK...I'm gonna go to P/R now so I can relax!

[King Postwhore]

You really think Zo's comment was racial?  No history.  You said yourself he's a numbskull. 

[TAC]

You really think Zo's comment was racial?  No history.  You said yourself he's a numbskull.

His comment was a racial stereotype. I never called him a racist.

[King Postwhore]

You think he used rap music to be racist or that's what's playing and he blurted it out live on the radio?

You, yourself said he's an idiot. 

[TAC]

Yes, he used a racial stereotype to make his point. Probably unintended, but he's simply not smart enough to know the difference. I'm not calling Zo a racist. But you can't say shit like that.

I still think he's lucky the fallout hasn't been worse.