2021 NFL Thread v. Super Bowl 56: Rams vs Bengals

[King Postwhore]

Well, today's game was fun.

Did Cam start?  He only threw 4 passes so I'm confused.

[TAC]

Well, today's game was fun.

Did Cam start?  He only threw 4 passes so I'm confused.

I'm happy for him. He was a good soldier here.

[Skeever]

Mike White stinking up the joint was probably for the best. Now we can get back to rooting for Zach Wilson, no need for another QB controversy in New York.

[hefdaddy42]

Well, today's game was fun.

Did Cam start?  He only threw 4 passes so I'm confused.

No. He only played 5 or 6 plays. He only had one practice so far, but they worked in a small package of mostly short yardage plays. He ran for a touchdown and threw one, as well.

[Dream Team]

I only saw parts of the game, but it's clear that the Chiefs are simply not very good this year.  Mahomes doesn't even look like the same QB.  That INT he threw was atrocious, and he threw another that was dropped (the one late I will not count against him because all indications are that he knew that the Giants had jumped offsides and a flag had been thrown, so he knew he had a free play).  Plus, it's the eye test.  He just doesn't look like the same QB.  He used to just walk out there and move with swagger.  He now looks like a guy unsure of himself.  A big part of that could be how bad his o-line is and knowing he has to run for his life on every other play, but the fantasy some have that the Chiefs will get it together and become the powerhouse team again any day now is just that, a fantasy.

For those that care to dig into the data, the Chiefs this year are still moving the ball and converting first downs at an elite level. As soon as the turnover luck evens out they'll be fine, as long as the defense is average.

https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1452655259831128067/photo/1

Hmmm . . .

[Stadler]

Oh, BTW, I don't usually come in here and ballwash, but Mac Jones was fucking nails today.

He seems to make the right read all the time and has great touch where only a receiver can catch the pass.

No rookie looks like this in my memory.

That kid's ball placement is really something else. We've seen him have a bad game, and he was pretty inaccurate. When he has his head screwed on right he's got amazing accuracy. As for touch, that's come a long ways, too. In his first few games he was putting the ball right out where a receiver would want it, but he was drilling them in there. Now he seems to be dropping it in there when need be, and firing bullets when that's necessary. That TD throw into double coverage was a thing of beauty.

That said, it remains to be seen how well he develops. Next year will be the telling point. And with that in mind, I hope he doesn't get overconfident in his ability to rifle a ball into tight spaces. That's something that can kill young quarterbacks. Somehow I doubt Bill is going to let him get a big head, but you never know.

Well, as much as I like the Patriots and like what I'm seeing, fair is fair.  The league caught up with Kansas City (and no, one game against a reeling Raiders doesn't make them all good again, Rod Woodson), the league caught up with Tampa Bay, the league WILL catch up to Mac Jones.  The trick will be whether he's got what it takes to get the jump again. With Bill and Josh, I'm thinking he might. 

[hunnus2000]

Oh, BTW, I don't usually come in here and ballwash, but Mac Jones was fucking nails today.

He seems to make the right read all the time and has great touch where only a receiver can catch the pass.

No rookie looks like this in my memory.

I dunno:

Dak Prescott
Joe Burrow
Justin Herbert

Those are a few that  come to mind. But no doubt that the Pats are in good shape with Mac Jones at the helm.

[King Postwhore]

No you're right. My memory sucks. Lol. I just hope we see improvement every year.

[dparrott]

Raiders and Chargers sliding down the standings.  At least I still have the Rams and the Cards lost.

[Dream Team]

I love the beautiful symmetry of the 4 QBs to have 3 games of 400+ yds and at least five TDs all having surnames that begin with M . . .

Montana
Marino
Manning,P
Mahomes

Talk about a murderer's row of Qbs . . . Mt Rushmore.

[King Postwhore]

I love the story on the Superbowl where Montana saw his team was tight with 3:30 left in the game and in the huddle and asked, "Isn't that John Candy?"


https://www.nfl.com/100/originals/100-greatest/games-19

[Stadler]

I love the beautiful symmetry of the 4 QBs to have 3 games of 400+ yds and at least five TDs all having surnames that begin with M . . .

Montana
Marino
Manning,P
Mahomes

Talk about a murderer's row of Qbs . . . Mt Rushmore.

What league are you watching?  That doesn't have the two greatest QBs to ever play the game on there.   

Mt. Rushmore for the NFL:
Unitas
Manning
Brady
Montana.

Mahomes is a DECADE from that list, at least.

[hefdaddy42]

Agreed.  He definitely had an unbelievably good couple of seasons.  But we need to see sustained excellence before he joins the Hall of Justice.

Meanwhile, almost everyone in Panther country is ga-ga over Cam's return, and he has certainly given the area an injection of energy, but the real hallmark of this team is the defense.  They are good, fast, and young. 

[hunnus2000]

Agreed.  He definitely had an unbelievably good couple of seasons.  But we need to see sustained excellence before he joins the Hall of Justice.

Meanwhile, almost everyone in Panther country is ga-ga over Cam's return, and he has certainly given the area an injection of energy, but the real hallmark of this team is the defense.  They are good, fast, and young.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3qC9NKDt0c

[hefdaddy42]

Agreed.  He definitely had an unbelievably good couple of seasons.  But we need to see sustained excellence before he joins the Hall of Justice.

Meanwhile, almost everyone in Panther country is ga-ga over Cam's return, and he has certainly given the area an injection of energy, but the real hallmark of this team is the defense.  They are good, fast, and young.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3qC9NKDt0c

Goddammit

[King Postwhore]

That reminds me of this dude dressed in a power blue lucha libre wrestling suit and mask singing San Diego....Super Chargers!

[Stadler]

Agreed.  He definitely had an unbelievably good couple of seasons.  But we need to see sustained excellence before he joins the Hall of Justice.

Meanwhile, almost everyone in Panther country is ga-ga over Cam's return, and he has certainly given the area an injection of energy, but the real hallmark of this team is the defense.  They are good, fast, and young.

He's still not ever winning a Super Bowl, though.  Not unless he resigns with New England.

[Stadler]

Agreed.  He definitely had an unbelievably good couple of seasons.  But we need to see sustained excellence before he joins the Hall of Justice.

Meanwhile, almost everyone in Panther country is ga-ga over Cam's return, and he has certainly given the area an injection of energy, but the real hallmark of this team is the defense.  They are good, fast, and young.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3qC9NKDt0c

Goddammit

Wow.  I watched all of that.   

(Kind of like the growl, though!)

EDIT:  Rabbit hole!  Here I come!!!  https://youtu.be/52a3cXS-_RA

[hefdaddy42]

Agreed.  He definitely had an unbelievably good couple of seasons.  But we need to see sustained excellence before he joins the Hall of Justice.

Meanwhile, almost everyone in Panther country is ga-ga over Cam's return, and he has certainly given the area an injection of energy, but the real hallmark of this team is the defense.  They are good, fast, and young.

He's still not ever winning a Super Bowl, though.  Not unless he resigns with New England.

OK, Nostradamus.

[Skeever]

There are already players in the Hall for far less than what Mahomes has already accomplished. If his career were to end this year, and I would still think he belongs in the HoF eventually.

After all, there's no objective measure for who should and should not be in the hall, as far as I know. It's called the Hall of Fame: "Hall of Fame", not "Hall of Stats", even if stats  play a big role, the most important criteria are far more subjective and even based on what Mahomes has accomplished so far it would be hard to me to imagine him not being strongly considered even if the rest of his career is not so great.

BTW, people are acting like the wheels have fallen off this year because of the INTs. I agree that it's not as good as it has been in years past, but it's not like the wheels have completely fallen off. We're still only halfway through the season and he's on currently pace to throw nearly 50 TD's again 

[TheCountOfNYC]

I love the beautiful symmetry of the 4 QBs to have 3 games of 400+ yds and at least five TDs all having surnames that begin with M . . .

Montana
Marino
Manning,P
Mahomes

Talk about a murderer's row of Qbs . . . Mt Rushmore.

What league are you watching?  That doesn't have the two greatest QBs to ever play the game on there.   

Mt. Rushmore for the NFL:
Unitas
Manning
Brady
Montana.

Mahomes is a DECADE from that list, at least.

Except Brady and Unitas don’t have the specific accomplishment mentioned in this post. Marino and Mahomes do. The post wasn’t saying “these are the four greatest quarterbacks of all time”. It was saying “these are the four quarterbacks who have done this specific thing”.

[KevShmev]

There are already players in the Hall for far less than what Mahomes has already accomplished. If his career were to end this year, and I would still think he belongs in the HoF eventually.

After all, there's no objective measure for who should and should not be in the hall, as far as I know. It's called the Hall of Fame: "Hall of Fame", not "Hall of Stats", even if stats  play a big role, the most important criteria are far more subjective and even based on what Mahomes has accomplished so far it would be hard to me to imagine him not being strongly considered even if the rest of his career is not so great.

BTW, people are acting like the wheels have fallen off this year because of the INTs. I agree that it's not as good as it has been in years past, but it's not like the wheels have completely fallen off. We're still only halfway through the season and he's on currently pace to throw nearly 50 TD's again 

I agree that the wheels have not fallen off, but I think some have it in their heads that he walked into the league and has been the best QB since he became a starter when in reality that is not the case.  He has struggled too much this season at times to eventually be the MVP or All-Pro 1st team, so this will be the 3rd season in a row he was neither the MVP nor the best QB that season.  You can't be the unquestioned best QB in football if you aren't getting those kinds of accomplishments, like when Favre was the MVP three years in a row in the later 90s or when  Peyton Manning had a 3-year stretch where he won the MVP twice and was All-Pro 1st team all three times.  IF Mahomes is truly the best, he should be showing the best on a much more regular basis than he has been.

[Stadler]

Agreed.  He definitely had an unbelievably good couple of seasons.  But we need to see sustained excellence before he joins the Hall of Justice.

Meanwhile, almost everyone in Panther country is ga-ga over Cam's return, and he has certainly given the area an injection of energy, but the real hallmark of this team is the defense.  They are good, fast, and young.

He's still not ever winning a Super Bowl, though.  Not unless he resigns with New England.

OK, Nostradamus.

 

[Stadler]

I love the beautiful symmetry of the 4 QBs to have 3 games of 400+ yds and at least five TDs all having surnames that begin with M . . .

Montana
Marino
Manning,P
Mahomes

Talk about a murderer's row of Qbs . . . Mt Rushmore.

What league are you watching?  That doesn't have the two greatest QBs to ever play the game on there.   

Mt. Rushmore for the NFL:
Unitas
Manning
Brady
Montana.

Mahomes is a DECADE from that list, at least.

Except Brady and Unitas don’t have the specific accomplishment mentioned in this post. Marino and Mahomes do. The post wasn’t saying “these are the four greatest quarterbacks of all time”. It was saying “these are the four quarterbacks who have done this specific thing”.

I took "Mt. Rushmore" to be something different.  We seem to use that term a lot here - meaning on the forum, not in the NFL thread - to mean "the four greatest".    Your "Mt Rushmore of Drumming" (Bonham, Collins, Peart, Portnoy).   I got the initial part about the specific stat, but then it seemed to veer into "these are the greatest of all time" with the last part.   If not, my mistake (though my point stands, because historically, Dream Team has severely, almost chronically devalued Brady's accomplishments while simultaneously jumping the gun on annointing Mahomes to all time greatness.)

[Skeever]

There are already players in the Hall for far less than what Mahomes has already accomplished. If his career were to end this year, and I would still think he belongs in the HoF eventually.

After all, there's no objective measure for who should and should not be in the hall, as far as I know. It's called the Hall of Fame: "Hall of Fame", not "Hall of Stats", even if stats  play a big role, the most important criteria are far more subjective and even based on what Mahomes has accomplished so far it would be hard to me to imagine him not being strongly considered even if the rest of his career is not so great.

BTW, people are acting like the wheels have fallen off this year because of the INTs. I agree that it's not as good as it has been in years past, but it's not like the wheels have completely fallen off. We're still only halfway through the season and he's on currently pace to throw nearly 50 TD's again 

I agree that the wheels have not fallen off, but I think some have it in their heads that he walked into the league and has been the best QB since he became a starter when in reality that is not the case.  He has struggled too much this season at times to eventually be the MVP or All-Pro 1st team, so this will be the 3rd season in a row he was neither the MVP nor the best QB that season.  You can't be the unquestioned best QB in football if you aren't getting those kinds of accomplishments, like when Favre was the MVP three years in a row in the later 90s or when  Peyton Manning had a 3-year stretch where he won the MVP twice and was All-Pro 1st team all three times.  IF Mahomes is truly the best, he should be showing the best on a much more regular basis than he has been.

My comment was about whether he will be considered hall worthy when he retires, not whether he is the "best" right now. Very different conversations imo.

[lonestar]

Who the fuck are these guys in the Niner's uniforms? Fuck they look good tonight.

[TAC]

Who the fuck are these guys in the Niner's uniforms? Fuck they look good tonight.

They put a lot of guys in motion during the snap. One of these snaps is gonna hit a guy in the ass..
Honestly, it's kind of annoying. What is this, college?

[lonestar]

Better than the train wreck we've been watching here the last few weeks

[bosk1]

Wow, I had completely written this game off.

[KevShmev]

I can't say I was totally surprised by that result, as Kyle Shanahan has kinda owned McVay more often than not, and the 49ers were kind of in a "we need to win to have any chance to save the season" mode, but that is the second week the Rams fell behind early and then looked like scared rabbits the rest of the game.  It's like they had no fight, no comeback, no counterpunch.  Is McVay's team really this soft? Because it sure looks like it. 

[lonestar]

Wow, I had completely written this game off.

I wasn't even watching...did a workout and was cleaning my room to music. It wasn't until I finally checked my score notifications around the second half that I saw what was going on. 

[Stadler]

The Peyton/Eli broadcast was GOLD for this game.   Peyton in particular really put this into perspective; the Niners came out and played their game and the Rams never adjusted.  They were still playing that sort of deep(er) zone D even into the fourth quarter, even though the Niners running game was dominating the tone of the game.   

I'm not the hugest Shanahan fan - good coach who still gets out-coached enough at times to not be a GREAT coach - but his going for it on 4th down (the last touchdown) was genius.  Not because of the outcome, but because it showed a deep understanding of the way the game was going.  Peyton (and Eli) had both said "take the safe route and punt" after the time out was called, but Kyle did not take his foot off the gas and it's not like the play was something out of left field; it was something they had been doing all game.

EDIT:  And even though it was waved off (PI flag) that butt-hole interception was something special.   

[dparrott]

All four of my teams embarrassed this week 

[bosk1]

Sorry, man.  I know that pain.

[hunnus2000]

Not me!