Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)

[lonestar]

They dropped the first two episodes at the start iirc

[faizoff]

That sitcom setting while fun, lasted way too long.

[lordxizor]

That sitcom setting while fun, lasted way too long.

Completely agree. That should have been compressed into an episode or two. They nearly lost me with it.

[lonestar]

That sitcom setting while fun, lasted way too long.

Completely agree. That should have been compressed into an episode or two. They nearly lost me with it.

Totally disagree. It's what made the show so dammed unique. The spin they did of Family Ties in Ep5, how they used the trope of 'a very special episode of...' to really push the story into the next level. The sit come framework from each decade really worked brilliantly, and was absolutely unique in decades of television.

[lordxizor]

That sitcom setting while fun, lasted way too long.

Completely agree. That should have been compressed into an episode or two. They nearly lost me with it.

Totally disagree. It's what made the show so dammed unique. The spin they did of Family Ties in Ep5, how they used the trope of 'a very special episode of...' to really push the story into the next level. The sit come framework from each decade really worked brilliantly, and was absolutely unique in decades of television.

I agree it was completely unique and they did a great job with it. I personally just didn't really find it very entertaining.

[ErHaO]

I actually really appreciate they did something like this, but it just isn't really for me. Still, I will try it again soon.

[jingle.boy]

That sitcom setting while fun, lasted way too long.

Completely agree. That should have been compressed into an episode or two. They nearly lost me with it.

Totally disagree. It's what made the show so dammed unique. The spin they did of Family Ties in Ep5, how they used the trope of 'a very special episode of...' to really push the story into the next level. The sit come framework from each decade really worked brilliantly, and was absolutely unique in decades of television.

Agreed.  And the payoff behind the why of it only added to the depth of Wanda's mental state/illness.

[jammindude]

Release date for She-Hulk is revealed. But they are calling it a “comedy series”.

I just went from to 

https://whatsondisneyplus.com/marvels-she-hulk-disney-release-date-revealed/?fbclid=IwAR1I6eMP_y5ua4mptMizd_ZB4n-a9kAO1Nok3343Bf0RBKdo1q6D1FMw5q8

[Adami]

Much sooner than I imagined!

But, to my memory, they’ve been calling it a comedy for a good while now. I’m not thrilled but I hope they know what they’re doing. She Hulk isn’t someone I’ve read a ton of, but it doesn’t strike me as a super dark drama. So if they could make Moon Knight work as light as they did, then I can see them doing She Hulk as a comedy.

[Melphina]

So much content it's hard to keep up with. The only phase 4 film I haven't liked so far is Eternals. Black Widow... I'm just in the camp that never, ever really found her interesting and felt the same about her movie. And I feel similarly about Hawkeye who I've always cared about even less, and the Hawkeye show hasn't made me care about him any more. Really struggling to finish the last half of this series.

It's gotten to the point where I need to keep a spreadsheet to track everything MCU related that I have or have not seen.

[soupytwist]

 I was lead to believe She-Hulk in the comics (or at least some comic version) was very meta, like Deadpool a lot of talking directly to the reader?

[Dream Team]

I was lead to believe She-Hulk in the comics (or at least some comic version) was very meta, like Deadpool a lot of talking directly to the reader?

I'm pretty sure it's not going that far, which is pretty much full-on camp. Back when I was collecting the comics, She-Hulk was a serious character so I'm hoping they don't screw this up too much.

[Adami]

Yea. It’s hard to think of a future MCU project I am excited about less than She Hulk.

[bosk1]

I was never a fan in the comics.  But by and large, the MCU has done a pretty great job (1) developing great characters from ones I never cared much for in comics, and (2) with the D+ shows.  Add in my profession, and I'm actually looking forward to this one. 

[hefdaddy42]

Release date for She-Hulk is revealed. But they are calling it a “comedy series”.

I just went from to 

Why?  Her comics were always comedic, going so far as breaking the fourth wall.  Even in her appearances in other books, her sense of humor was in the forefront.

[soupytwist]

Yea. It’s hard to think of a future MCU project I am excited about less than She Hulk.

 Agatha: House of Harkness for me.  Didn't like the character in Wandavision.

[Adami]

Yea. It’s hard to think of a future MCU project I am excited about less than She Hulk.

 Agatha: House of Harkness for me.  Didn't like the character in Wandavision.

Forgot about that one. I guess I'll need to see what direction they're going. I really liked her, but I didn't like the flashback to Salem or whatever. So if it's set all in the past, I can't see being too pumped for it, but if it's not....Kathryn Hahn is a treasure.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Isn't Tatiana Maslany playing She Hulk? That alone is reason enough to be excited about it (also possibly the only reason?).

[soupytwist]

Isn't Tatiana Maslany playing She Hulk? That alone is reason enough to be excited about it (also possibly the only reason?).

Yeah.  She was amazing in Orphan Black.

[soupytwist]

Kathryn Hahn is a treasure.

I've honestly never heard of her before.  Looking at her filmography it's mostly middling comedies (I genre I very rarely watch).

[hefdaddy42]

Isn't Tatiana Maslany playing She Hulk? That alone is reason enough to be excited about it (also possibly the only reason?).

Definitely exciting.

And yes, Kathryn Hahn is fantastic.

[Lonk]

Saw No Way Home for the second time yesterday on a plane, and there's a minor detail I did not notice before (not sure if it's been mentioned).

When Tom Holland's Spidey meets Sand-Man, he's wearing his suit inside out, which makes it look black. When we first saw Sand-Man in Tobey's Spidey, he was fighting Spiderman with the symbiote/Venom suit, which is also black. Just thought that was cool.

Anyways, we are a week away from Ms. Marvel 

[DoctorAction]

Nice detail.

I've got everything crossed for Ms Marvel.

[ErHaO]

Just watched Wandavision and I am glad I pushed trough my intial dislike of the 50's sitcom stuff. It paid off and it is the best MCU Disney+ show by a significant margin (that I have seen).

Really well made too, it looked polished and they nailed the feeling of different timeperiods. Obi Wan feels so amateurish compared to this.

Now on to Dr Strange 2.

[lonestar]

Totally agree, Wandavision is just such an outstanding leap of storytelling for the MCU. Doubt they'll ever touch that level of ingenuity again.

[ErHaO]

I watched Dr Strange 2 yesterday and ... eh? Unfortunately I found it a bit weak. Not sure where the problem lies for me. On paper the plot sounds good, Wanda works well as a villain and I do like the current MCU thing to show characters in different timelines/realities. If I am honest the illuminati and their universe fell flat for me, perhaps ditching that whole thing and just focusing on Wanda and the Strange related characters would've worked better for me (and made dimension girl more of a character). It was ultimately a perfectly fine film, but I wasn't really feeling it.

[bosk1]

Opinion question:  Which heroes in the MCU are "Avengers?"  Not that it ultimately matters, but curious what people think.

Here's my list:
-The original six:  Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Thor
-The next wave:  War Machine, Falcon, Scarlet Witch, Vision, [Quicksilver (I mean, Hawkeye said if Wanda fought alongside them against Ultron, she was an Avenger, so I am assuming that would apply to Pietro as well.  But then again, that comment was sort of off the cuff and doesn't necessarily mean he had authority to make people official members)]
-Spiderman (according to Tony in Infinity War)

This site https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Avengers also lists Rocket, Captain Marvel, Nebula, Okoye, and Ant Man.  I guess we could say that that all of those besides Ant Man are implied in Endgame, but not sure.  They seemed more like allies of the Avengers than members. 

[Orbert]

Nick Fury personally recruited each of the MCU Avengers as part of the Avengers Initiative.  A lot of other heroes appeared in the MCU films, including those with "Avengers" in the title, but that doesn't make them official Avengers in my opinion.  So I'm going with the original six.

In the first Ant-Man movie, when Scott Lang goes to the supposedly abandoned Stark facility (which is now an Avengers facility) to steal the thingamajig that Pym needs, he fights Falcon and eventually gets past him.  Later, he's all fired up about it, saying that he'd "fought an Avenger" and won the fight.  I remember thinking that Falcon isn't really an Avenger.  Being Captain America's friend, even one who joins in the fights (and gets his own comic books), doesn't make you an Avenger.  Sorry, but Falcon was always "Hero Support" to me.

[lonestar]

I think everyone who was in the battle for earth in Endgame when Cap said 'avengers assemble' count as an Avenger. They all suited up to fight and save Earth.

[Orbert]

So, basically the entire MCU?

[bosk1]

Nick Fury personally recruited each of the MCU Avengers as part of the Avengers Initiative.  A lot of other heroes appeared in the MCU films, including those with "Avengers" in the title, but that doesn't make them official Avengers in my opinion.  So I'm going with the original six.

In the first Ant-Man movie, when Scott Lang goes to the supposedly abandoned Stark facility (which is now an Avengers facility) to steal the thingamajig that Pym needs, he fights Falcon and eventually gets past him.  Later, he's all fired up about it, saying that he'd "fought an Avenger" and won the fight.  I remember thinking that Falcon isn't really an Avenger.  Being Captain America's friend, even one who joins in the fights (and gets his own comic books), doesn't make you an Avenger.  Sorry, but Falcon was always "Hero Support" to me.

I get what you are saying, but Falcon (and a few others) were more than that.  Cap has Falcon, Iron Patriot, Wanda, and Vision "assemble" as Avengers in the Avengers' compound at the end of Age of Ultron, so I think it is clear that they are actual Avengers at that point.

I get R.J.'s point as well.  It just feels weird to me to be that expansive.  But that could be just a me thing.

[Orbert]

I think the ones in the next wave have a pretty strong case for being called Avengers, so I don't "hard" disagree with you.  And a lot of the time, I see "Avengers" used more or less as a synonym for the MCU in general.  This leads to conversations like:

"Have you seen the new Avengers movie?"
"What? No, it's Guardians of the Galaxy.  Technically..."
"STFU, pedant"

Anyway, this leads to the question of where I'd draw the line, and since the line between Hero Support and "the entire MCU" gets really blurry, I pulled back to the original six.  You could really build a case for any of these options.

[Lonk]

To me, is those that fought in Age of Ultron + Spiderman.

Edit: + Nebula, Captain Marvel and Rocket.

[lonestar]

I mean, if Cap called them all Avengers, who am I to argue?

Although the term is probably a bit looser for some than others, I'm sure Iron Man and Howard the Duck won't have the same health plan, but Cap called them both Avengers, right?

[lonestar]

Cast and director of F4 will be announced at D23.