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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1120 on: February 02, 2023, 05:41:05 PM »
Captain Marvel was fine. Not incredibly exciting though. Her short time in Endgame was fun to watch. I think most people's problem was Brie Larson being a plank of wood. Hopefully she has more of a personality in the new movie.

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1121 on: February 02, 2023, 06:35:34 PM »
Captain Marvel was fine. Not incredibly exciting though. Her short time in Endgame was fun to watch. I think most people's problem was Brie Larson being a plank of wood. Hopefully she has more of a personality in the new movie.

I think those folks who saw Brie as a "plank of wood" didn't realize that that was Carol Danvers being a plank of wood. She was a victim of Kree indoctrination, but now that she's gotten away from that, hopefully they write her to be less wooden in The Marvels.

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1122 on: February 02, 2023, 06:45:31 PM »
I agree. It was the awful writing to blame.
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« Reply #1123 on: February 02, 2023, 07:05:05 PM »
Love that description - plank of wood. I think no matter whether there are reasons for this or not, she definitely came across this way to me in the Captain Marvel movie especially (I think she was slightly better in Endgame). You still have to connect with the audience and from where I sit this performance didn't accomplish that.

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1124 on: February 03, 2023, 02:29:57 AM »
Captain Marvel is a great movie.  More Sam Jackson as Nick Fury, Ben Mendelsohn as Talos produced a great character, Goose.  It's a solid plot with a correct balance of comedy and action, very watchable film.  The only issue is it probably should have come out in Phase 2.

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« Reply #1125 on: February 03, 2023, 06:50:40 AM »
Captain Marvel was fine. Not incredibly exciting though. Her short time in Endgame was fun to watch. I think most people's problem was Brie Larson being a plank of wood. Hopefully she has more of a personality in the new movie.

I think those folks who saw Brie as a "plank of wood" didn't realize that that was Carol Danvers being a plank of wood. She was a victim of Kree indoctrination, but now that she's gotten away from that, hopefully they write her to be less wooden in The Marvels.

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It had nothing to do with Carol Danvers or Captain Marvel (The characters), it was Brie's lack of personality in her performance. The plot was fine, but as good as Marvel has been with casting, Brie Larson was a huge "swing and a miss" casting for the character.

With that said, I am excited to see a trailer  :corn

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1126 on: February 03, 2023, 06:55:22 AM »
Captain Marvel was fine. Not incredibly exciting though. Her short time in Endgame was fun to watch. I think most people's problem was Brie Larson being a plank of wood. Hopefully she has more of a personality in the new movie.

I think those folks who saw Brie as a "plank of wood" didn't realize that that was Carol Danvers being a plank of wood. She was a victim of Kree indoctrination, but now that she's gotten away from that, hopefully they write her to be less wooden in The Marvels.

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It had nothing to do with Carol Danvers or Captain Marvel (The characters), it was Brie's lack of personality in her performance. The plot was fine, but as good as Marvel has been with casting, Brie Larson was a huge "swing and a miss" casting for the character.

With that said, I am excited to see a trailer  :corn

It's not about the plot, though that wasn't great either, it was how they wrote and directed her character.

Brie is an amazing actress. If she's wooden and lifeless, it's because the script/directors didn't give her other direction.
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1127 on: February 03, 2023, 07:12:52 AM »
I'd take Brie performance over Gemma Chan in The Eternals. 

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« Reply #1128 on: February 03, 2023, 07:14:04 AM »
I'd take Brie performance over Gemma Chan in The Eternals.

Oh good lord. Talk about a whole movie of flat performances minus the valet and Kit.


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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1129 on: February 03, 2023, 07:32:28 AM »
I'd take Brie performance over Gemma Chan in The Eternals.
Learn something new every day, I looked her up since i didn't recognize the name, and did not know she was also in Captain Marvel. But yeah, her role in Eternals was pretty flat.

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1130 on: February 03, 2023, 08:26:29 PM »
Captain Marvel is a great movie. 

:rollin  Said nobody ever.  Let's not forget that it finished 21 out of 23 here, and this among a group of voters that are VERY pro-MCU.  It had some cool moments.  But nothing about it is in the same zipcode as "great movie."  Let's not try to rewrite history.
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1131 on: February 03, 2023, 08:36:52 PM »
Captain Marvel is a great movie. 

:rollin  Said nobody ever.  Let's not forget that it finished 21 out of 23 here, and this among a group of voters that are VERY pro-MCU.  It had some cool moments.  But nothing about it is in the same zipcode as "great movie."  Let's not try to rewrite history.

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1132 on: February 03, 2023, 08:42:53 PM »
And just because the group collectively liked 20 other movies ahead of it, doesn't mean it isn't good.  Shit, I'd take it over pretty much every DCU movie - even the good one.
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1133 on: February 04, 2023, 01:23:00 AM »
I dug these things about it:

80s thing
Phil Coulson
Nick Fury
The plot
Brie Larson
Watching her become this incredibly powerful figure.

Was so fun. Much more than Shang Chi, for example.

I may be off on this one but I feel like the American media or internet was out to get Brie Larson early on for some reason and that negatively coloured the movie for a lot of people. But I may be remembering that wrong or misinterpreting it.
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1134 on: February 04, 2023, 04:00:45 AM »
Captain Marvel is a great movie. 

:rollin  Said nobody ever.  Let's not forget that it finished 21 out of 23 here, and this among a group of voters that are VERY pro-MCU.  It had some cool moments.  But nothing about it is in the same zipcode as "great movie."  Let's not try to rewrite history.

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1135 on: February 04, 2023, 11:18:15 AM »
I think multiple of the more mediocre MCU movies get a pass because they're part of the universe and at the very least they're usually fun/okay on the initial viewing which is mostly what matters. But if we did not have the MCU and a movie like Captain Marvel was released as a stand alone thing in 2005 or something I just don't see anyone asking for a sequel. It was pretty meh.

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1136 on: February 04, 2023, 12:07:05 PM »
I think multiple of the more mediocre MCU movies get a pass because they're part of the universe and at the very least they're usually fun/okay on the initial viewing which is mostly what matters. But if we did not have the MCU and a movie like Captain Marvel was released as a stand alone thing in 2005 or something I just don't see anyone asking for a sequel. It was pretty meh.

The same could be said for any number of franchises - Bond, Star Wars, Fast/Furious etc ...  If not for the franchise association, how would some of those films fare as a standalone piece?  Would anyone have asked for a sequel about a slow-motion space chase + coach-trainer on an island in the middle of a deserted planet + some strange recruitment / heist in a casino?
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1137 on: February 04, 2023, 12:28:51 PM »
I think multiple of the more mediocre MCU movies get a pass because they're part of the universe and at the very least they're usually fun/okay on the initial viewing which is mostly what matters. But if we did not have the MCU and a movie like Captain Marvel was released as a stand alone thing in 2005 or something I just don't see anyone asking for a sequel. It was pretty meh.

The same could be said for any number of franchises - Bond, Star Wars, Fast/Furious etc ...  If not for the franchise association, how would some of those films fare as a standalone piece?  Would anyone have asked for a sequel about a slow-motion space chase + coach-trainer on an island in the middle of a deserted planet + some strange recruitment / heist in a casino?

People are more critical of those examples you give though. The James Bond movies are not really treated like a cinematic universe because you have different actors playing the same character through different time periods and most of the movies tend to be viewed as their own thing. It's similar with Star Wars where some of those movies get pretty heavily criticized.

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1138 on: February 04, 2023, 01:21:51 PM »
Captain Marvel is a great movie. 

:rollin  Said nobody ever.  Let's not forget that it finished 21 out of 23 here, and this among a group of voters that are VERY pro-MCU.  It had some cool moments.  But nothing about it is in the same zipcode as "great movie."  Let's not try to rewrite history.

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And that's all fine.  If you want to call it a "middling" or "decent" movie, or if you want to say that you personally loved it, cool.  It's just that none of that makes it "great," that's all.

I think multiple of the more mediocre MCU movies get a pass because they're part of the universe and at the very least they're usually fun/okay on the initial viewing which is mostly what matters. But if we did not have the MCU and a movie like Captain Marvel was released as a stand alone thing in 2005 or something I just don't see anyone asking for a sequel. It was pretty meh.

The same could be said for any number of franchises - Bond, Star Wars, Fast/Furious etc ...  If not for the franchise association, how would some of those films fare as a standalone piece?  Would anyone have asked for a sequel about a slow-motion space chase + coach-trainer on an island in the middle of a deserted planet + some strange recruitment / heist in a casino?

And that's all fine.  If you want to call it a "middling" or "decent" movie, or if you want to say that you personally loved it, cool.  It's just that none of that makes it "great," that's all.
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1139 on: February 04, 2023, 01:27:16 PM »
I may be off on this one but I feel like the American media or internet was out to get Brie Larson early on for some reason and that negatively coloured the movie for a lot of people. But I may be remembering that wrong or misinterpreting it.

I think there's a grain of truth to that.  I think there were two large segments that were sort of "out to get" her or the movie.  One segment was a segment that really came across as mysogynistic that was very vocal, despite being a vast minority (as loud minorities tend to be).  Then there was also the group of Marvel purists that didn't like a lot of the changes that were pretty big departures from the source material.  Also very vocal.  And in some cases, those groups overlapped.  But you had those two groups that were vocal and trying to tank the film right from the getgo.  Still, they were minority groups, not "the Internet" or "the media" as a whole.

But then of course, you had folks at the other end of the spectrum overreacting to the two groups mentioned, who then tried  to portray it as "the Internet" or "the media" as a whole, when that was clearly NOT the case, and as a result, overhyping the good in the film and trying to say anyone who didn't like it must be misogynistic white males who don't like anything not featuring a white male.  Also dead wrong.  Just for different reasons. 
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1140 on: February 05, 2023, 12:21:29 AM »
I may be off on this one but I feel like the American media or internet was out to get Brie Larson early on for some reason and that negatively coloured the movie for a lot of people. But I may be remembering that wrong or misinterpreting it.

I think there's a grain of truth to that.  I think there were two large segments that were sort of "out to get" her or the movie.  One segment was a segment that really came across as mysogynistic that was very vocal, despite being a vast minority (as loud minorities tend to be).  Then there was also the group of Marvel purists that didn't like a lot of the changes that were pretty big departures from the source material.  Also very vocal.  And in some cases, those groups overlapped.  But you had those two groups that were vocal and trying to tank the film right from the getgo.  Still, they were minority groups, not "the Internet" or "the media" as a whole.

But then of course, you had folks at the other end of the spectrum overreacting to the two groups mentioned, who then tried  to portray it as "the Internet" or "the media" as a whole, when that was clearly NOT the case, and as a result, overhyping the good in the film and trying to say anyone who didn't like it must be misogynistic white males who don't like anything not featuring a white male.  Also dead wrong.  Just for different reasons. 

Great clarification.  :tup
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1141 on: February 05, 2023, 04:02:12 PM »
There were definitely a good amount of people bashing Cap Marvel for every reason under the sun, many without having even seen it.


I can only speak for myself. I am a big Carol Danvers fan from the comics. I'm a big Brie Larson fan. I never mind changes that are worth making.

The problem with the movie is that no one, not the writers, not the directors and not Brie, seemed to have a strong and good vision of WHO the character is. They knew what the plot was but she was just kind of a body doing things that the plot called for. I didn't walk away from the movie knowing much about the character other than what the plot was.
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1142 on: February 05, 2023, 04:17:30 PM »
^That's pretty close to how I feel.  The overall plot was actually pretty good, for the most part, with the exception of some of the character development within the plot.
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1143 on: February 05, 2023, 05:46:56 PM »
Anyone think we'll get a cameo from Rogue in The Marvels or do we still have a few years to wait for X-Men characters to start showing up?

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« Reply #1144 on: February 05, 2023, 06:28:47 PM »
My kid will lose her shit when Rogue shows up. She's her favorite, to the point where when I got her the first issue she appeared in as a Christmas present I was hands down her favorite person for at least a week or two.
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« Reply #1145 on: February 06, 2023, 06:02:38 AM »
Anyone think we'll get a cameo from Rogue in The Marvels or do we still have a few years to wait for X-Men characters to start showing up?
There are rumors of that, but I don't know how true it is.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised, since the MCU is looking to introduce us to the characters little by little.

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1146 on: February 06, 2023, 07:54:27 AM »
There were definitely a good amount of people bashing Cap Marvel for every reason under the sun, many without having even seen it.


I can only speak for myself. I am a big Carol Danvers fan from the comics. I'm a big Brie Larson fan. I never mind changes that are worth making.

The problem with the movie is that no one, not the writers, not the directors and not Brie, seemed to have a strong and good vision of WHO the character is. They knew what the plot was but she was just kind of a body doing things that the plot called for. I didn't walk away from the movie knowing much about the character other than what the plot was.

I mean that is the plot.  It's Vers learning/reclaiming her memories over the course of the film who she really is (Danvers).

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1147 on: February 06, 2023, 07:55:39 AM »
But she doesn't remember who she was as a character. She remembers aspects of what she did. Character isn't just facts about someone. It's personality. They didn't give her one.


If it was unintentional, then that is sad. If it's intentional because "that's the plot" then it's a dumb decision.
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1148 on: February 06, 2023, 08:48:59 AM »
My wife loves Captain Marvel.  It's her favorite MCU single-character film.

I thought it was kind of OK.  I don't mind watching if it's on, but I am never in the mood to re-watch it.
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« Reply #1149 on: February 06, 2023, 11:05:30 AM »
But she doesn't remember who she was as a character. She remembers aspects of what she did. Character isn't just facts about someone. It's personality. They didn't give her one.


If it was unintentional, then that is sad. If it's intentional because "that's the plot" then it's a dumb decision.


She has as much a "character" or "personality" as Maverick in Top Gun, IMO.

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1150 on: February 06, 2023, 11:57:36 AM »
But she doesn't remember who she was as a character. She remembers aspects of what she did. Character isn't just facts about someone. It's personality. They didn't give her one.


If it was unintentional, then that is sad. If it's intentional because "that's the plot" then it's a dumb decision.


She has as much a "character" or "personality" as Maverick in Top Gun, IMO.

But no topless volleyball scenes.
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1151 on: February 06, 2023, 12:06:53 PM »
But she doesn't remember who she was as a character. She remembers aspects of what she did. Character isn't just facts about someone. It's personality. They didn't give her one.


If it was unintentional, then that is sad. If it's intentional because "that's the plot" then it's a dumb decision.


She has as much a "character" or "personality" as Maverick in Top Gun, IMO.

But no topless volleyball scenes.

Now THAT would have given the movie some character!
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1152 on: February 07, 2023, 01:53:34 AM »
But she doesn't remember who she was as a character. She remembers aspects of what she did. Character isn't just facts about someone. It's personality. They didn't give her one.


If it was unintentional, then that is sad. If it's intentional because "that's the plot" then it's a dumb decision.


She has as much a "character" or "personality" as Maverick in Top Gun, IMO.

Goose in Cap Marvel had more Personality and Character than Goose in Top Gun too.

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« Reply #1153 on: February 07, 2023, 07:49:37 AM »
But she doesn't remember who she was as a character. She remembers aspects of what she did. Character isn't just facts about someone. It's personality. They didn't give her one.


If it was unintentional, then that is sad. If it's intentional because "that's the plot" then it's a dumb decision.


She has as much a "character" or "personality" as Maverick in Top Gun, IMO.

Goose in Cap Marvel had more Personality and Character than Goose in Top Gun too.


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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe thread v3 (no recent spoilers)
« Reply #1154 on: February 08, 2023, 05:23:48 PM »
I may be off on this one but I feel like the American media or internet was out to get Brie Larson early on for some reason and that negatively coloured the movie for a lot of people. But I may be remembering that wrong or misinterpreting it.

I think there's a grain of truth to that.  I think there were two large segments that were sort of "out to get" her or the movie.  One segment was a segment that really came across as mysogynistic that was very vocal, despite being a vast minority (as loud minorities tend to be).  Then there was also the group of Marvel purists that didn't like a lot of the changes that were pretty big departures from the source material.  Also very vocal.  And in some cases, those groups overlapped.  But you had those two groups that were vocal and trying to tank the film right from the getgo.  Still, they were minority groups, not "the Internet" or "the media" as a whole.

But then of course, you had folks at the other end of the spectrum overreacting to the two groups mentioned, who then tried  to portray it as "the Internet" or "the media" as a whole, when that was clearly NOT the case, and as a result, overhyping the good in the film and trying to say anyone who didn't like it must be misogynistic white males who don't like anything not featuring a white male.  Also dead wrong.  Just for different reasons.

I seem to remember her as coming off as kind of weird and maybe a little snobby in the press tours. A lot of her interaction with fellow cast members during talk show appearances and the like seemed awkward. She didnít come across as very likeable and got some backlash.