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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #280 on: May 06, 2021, 08:57:16 AM »
Another part of this ban is flavored cigars, most of which (although not all) are not premium, hand-rolled cigars, but convenience store trash like Black & Milds and their ilk.  Many of which, so I hear, are also smoked by African-Americans.

Yeah, it just so happens that Black People prefer Cigars as well.

But, let me tell you, the only reason why people actually buy these flavored cigars isn't to smoke the tobacco inside, it's to use the wraps to roll their own weed filled Blunts. How will people wrap their blunts now?... :hat

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« Reply #281 on: May 06, 2021, 09:37:15 AM »
Do you not have roll-your-owns over the pond?
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« Reply #282 on: May 06, 2021, 09:39:04 AM »
I think they use those wrappers to conceal what's really inside.  Not that anyone can't smell it.
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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #283 on: May 06, 2021, 09:43:58 AM »
Another part of this ban is flavored cigars, most of which (although not all) are not premium, hand-rolled cigars, but convenience store trash like Black & Milds and their ilk.  Many of which, so I hear, are also smoked by African-Americans.

Yeah, it just so happens that Black People prefer Cigars as well.
Well, not all cigars.  Namely, not premium hand-rolled cigars (although the size of the black customer base there is growing).  But the cheap, machine-made, convenience store crap?  Yes.


But, let me tell you, the only reason why people actually buy these flavored cigars isn't to smoke the tobacco inside, it's to use the wraps to roll their own weed filled Blunts. How will people wrap their blunts now?... :hat
That is certainly one aspect.  But plenty of people actually smoke them as-is, also.
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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #284 on: May 06, 2021, 09:48:20 AM »
Another part of this ban is flavored cigars, most of which (although not all) are not premium, hand-rolled cigars, but convenience store trash like Black & Milds and their ilk.  Many of which, so I hear, are also smoked by African-Americans.

That's gonna crush all the blunt smokers.

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« Reply #285 on: May 06, 2021, 10:29:14 AM »
Another part of this ban is flavored cigars, most of which (although not all) are not premium, hand-rolled cigars, but convenience store trash like Black & Milds and their ilk.  Many of which, so I hear, are also smoked by African-Americans.

That's gonna crush all the blunt smokers.
Just chiming in to say GOOD! Blunts are an abomination.
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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #286 on: May 06, 2021, 12:01:38 PM »
Another part of this ban is flavored cigars, most of which (although not all) are not premium, hand-rolled cigars, but convenience store trash like Black & Milds and their ilk.  Many of which, so I hear, are also smoked by African-Americans.

That's gonna crush all the blunt smokers.
Just chiming in to say GOOD! Blunts are an abomination.

They made sense in the days of two finger bags of stems and seeds, but with the high quality weed these days, yes, it's an abomination.

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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #287 on: May 06, 2021, 12:09:20 PM »
I don't see how this ban would result in less blunts.  I feel like the cigar makers make them specifically just for people to use the wraps for blunts  :lol so who cares what's inside.  Kind of surprised they haven't made cones with tobacco instead of paper.  The cones are the only reason I'll even smoke J's these days since I'm terrible at rolling.

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« Reply #288 on: May 06, 2021, 12:28:44 PM »
I don't see how this ban would result in less blunts.  I feel like the cigar makers make them specifically just for people to use the wraps for blunts  :lol so who cares what's inside.  Kind of surprised they haven't made cones with tobacco instead of paper.  The cones are the only reason I'll even smoke J's these days since I'm terrible at rolling.

 :lol

I usually end up rolling pregnant joints, but they're still smokable. My friend uses the cones too.

But, she also buys a certain brand for her blunts, I forgot what it's called though, but it's an actual leaf.

And I also, too think the companies know what they're used for, and why some are made for pre-rolling. You can just buy Blunt Wraps, which is just the flavored wrap.  :biggrin:  :hat :metal :corn
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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #289 on: May 06, 2021, 12:41:17 PM »
I don't see how this ban would result in less blunts.  I feel like the cigar makers make them specifically just for people to use the wraps for blunts  :lol so who cares what's inside.  Kind of surprised they haven't made cones with tobacco instead of paper.  The cones are the only reason I'll even smoke J's these days since I'm terrible at rolling.
The cones are alright. I have friends that use them. They're nowhere near the same as a well-rolled J, though. You don't get that super-sticky roach that a good joint will get you.

And just plop $2 for a book of EZ-Widers and spend an hour or two practicing while you watch a movie or something. Once you get the hang of it you can switch to real papers. I'm a lifelong Zig-zag man, myself. Failing that, just do the dollar bill trick. It's pretty much foolproof.
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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #290 on: May 06, 2021, 12:49:10 PM »
Another part of this ban is flavored cigars, most of which (although not all) are not premium, hand-rolled cigars, but convenience store trash like Black & Milds and their ilk.  Many of which, so I hear, are also smoked by African-Americans.

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« Reply #291 on: May 06, 2021, 12:54:38 PM »
I don't see how this ban would result in less blunts.  I feel like the cigar makers make them specifically just for people to use the wraps for blunts  :lol so who cares what's inside.  Kind of surprised they haven't made cones with tobacco instead of paper.  The cones are the only reason I'll even smoke J's these days since I'm terrible at rolling.
The cones are alright. I have friends that use them. They're nowhere near the same as a well-rolled J, though. You don't get that super-sticky roach that a good joint will get you.

And just plop $2 for a book of EZ-Widers and spend an hour or two practicing while you watch a movie or something. Once you get the hang of it you can switch to real papers. I'm a lifelong Zig-zag man, myself. Failing that, just do the dollar bill trick. It's pretty much foolproof.

I guess it depends on how impaired you are, but it's not rocket science.   I used to roll for my two roommates in college, because they didn't have the patience.  I did exactly what you said: I sat there watching Cheers episodes or Bruins games with my other roommate and rolled away.  I'm not a huge smoker generally, and haven't smoked in a long time, but I'm pretty sure that particular skill would come back fairly quickly. 

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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #292 on: May 06, 2021, 01:55:41 PM »
Another part of this ban is flavored cigars, most of which (although not all) are not premium, hand-rolled cigars, but convenience store trash like Black & Milds and their ilk.  Many of which, so I hear, are also smoked by African-Americans.

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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #293 on: May 06, 2021, 02:08:33 PM »
I don't see how this ban would result in less blunts.  I feel like the cigar makers make them specifically just for people to use the wraps for blunts  :lol so who cares what's inside.  Kind of surprised they haven't made cones with tobacco instead of paper.  The cones are the only reason I'll even smoke J's these days since I'm terrible at rolling.
The cones are alright. I have friends that use them. They're nowhere near the same as a well-rolled J, though. You don't get that super-sticky roach that a good joint will get you.

And just plop $2 for a book of EZ-Widers and spend an hour or two practicing while you watch a movie or something. Once you get the hang of it you can switch to real papers. I'm a lifelong Zig-zag man, myself. Failing that, just do the dollar bill trick. It's pretty much foolproof.

Hand eye coordination has never been a strength, and my patience wears thin when trying to do intricate things with my fingers.  I have no desire to master this skill.  I do agree, a well rolled J is a work of art and more enjoyable than a cone though.

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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #294 on: May 06, 2021, 02:34:57 PM »
I don't see how this ban would result in less blunts.  I feel like the cigar makers make them specifically just for people to use the wraps for blunts  :lol so who cares what's inside.  Kind of surprised they haven't made cones with tobacco instead of paper.  The cones are the only reason I'll even smoke J's these days since I'm terrible at rolling.
The cones are alright. I have friends that use them. They're nowhere near the same as a well-rolled J, though. You don't get that super-sticky roach that a good joint will get you.

And just plop $2 for a book of EZ-Widers and spend an hour or two practicing while you watch a movie or something. Once you get the hang of it you can switch to real papers. I'm a lifelong Zig-zag man, myself. Failing that, just do the dollar bill trick. It's pretty much foolproof.

Hand eye coordination has never been a strength, and my patience wears thin when trying to do intricate things with my fingers.  I have no desire to master this skill.  I do agree, a well rolled J is a work of art and more enjoyable than a cone though.
It's also nice to hear "damn, that was a good joint dude" when you get to the end of it.
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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #295 on: May 06, 2021, 03:06:38 PM »
Haven't we ventured into the territory of breaking rule 11 (at least in 14 states, including where El Barto resides).  I hope no one reports El Barto or Hef!  Cram is fine, naturally :lol
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« Reply #296 on: May 06, 2021, 03:17:03 PM »
Haven't we ventured into the territory of breaking rule 11 (at least in 14 states, including where El Barto resides).  I hope no one reports El Barto or Hef!  Cram is fine, naturally :lol
Technically, Dallas is decriminalized.  :biggrin:
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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #297 on: May 06, 2021, 08:38:40 PM »
Haven't we ventured into the territory of breaking rule 11 (at least in 14 states, including where El Barto resides).  I hope no one reports El Barto or Hef!  Cram is fine, naturally :lol

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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #298 on: May 10, 2021, 01:29:48 PM »
Another part of this ban is flavored cigars, most of which (although not all) are not premium, hand-rolled cigars, but convenience store trash like Black & Milds and their ilk.  Many of which, so I hear, are also smoked by African-Americans.

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« Reply #299 on: May 10, 2021, 01:34:47 PM »
Another part of this ban is flavored cigars, most of which (although not all) are not premium, hand-rolled cigars, but convenience store trash like Black & Milds and their ilk.  Many of which, so I hear, are also smoked by African-Americans.

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« Reply #300 on: June 09, 2021, 02:35:52 AM »
The Veep has had a couple rough days in the spotlight. Her response to Lester Holt was weird. It will be a sound bite that sticks to her like glue moving forward.

Not sure if she agrees with Biden's border policy, which initially and during the campaign was, come one come all,,,we want you here. Now it's do not come, do not come.

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« Reply #301 on: June 09, 2021, 07:11:25 AM »
Yeah the administration in general changed their tune on that one real quick. What a shock, politicians flopping on policy.


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« Reply #302 on: June 09, 2021, 02:24:19 PM »
Immigration is a thorny intractable issue that every administration in the last 40 years has struggled with.  I don't expect it to be any different with this administration.  I thought Harris's body language and tone with Lester Holt came across as kind of knee-jerk defensive.  She's in a particularly challenging position because for a woman if she's too assertive they'll say she's a "bitch" but if she's not assertive enough they'll say she's a "shrinking violet" so he has to strike a perfect balance right out of the gate in a job she's got no practical experience at.  I thought she was an OK pick for VP but if I'm being honest, she wasn't even on my list of people I wanted Biden to pick after he won the nomination.  I am not a fan of her prosecutorial record.  Not a fan at all.

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« Reply #303 on: June 10, 2021, 03:30:11 PM »
Bidens Border Policy was the most unwisest thing the US could have done.

We are seeing why, you don't just say, "Come on in, we're open".

We've seen this consequence play out every Black Friday. These Immigrants were waiting in droves for those doors to open, and once they did, they came in, and started trampling over the Border Patrol Agents, whom are now overwhelmed with them. And some people get smart and just end up stealing shit, cause they know the workers are overwhelmed and they can't catch them, these are your Smugglers.
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« Reply #304 on: June 10, 2021, 04:46:21 PM »
Bidens Border Policy was the most unwisest thing the US could have done.

We are seeing why, you don't just say, "Come on in, we're open".

We've seen this consequence play out every Black Friday. These Immigrants were waiting in droves for those doors to open, and once they did, they came in, and started trampling over the Border Patrol Agents, whom are now overwhelmed with them. And some people get smart and just end up stealing shit, cause they know the workers are overwhelmed and they can't catch them, these are your Smugglers.
You're the second person to refer to this. I admit I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to Biden, but I don't recall him ever suggesting that anybody and everybody should come on over. Maybe he did, I don't know, but other than undoing much of Trump's handiwork did he really do anything to encourage people? Seems to me that all he really did was fail to recognize the backlog of legal immigrants that Trump's policies had created, and therefore prepare for it. He certainly should have, it wasn't hard to see coming, but that's very different than the encouragement that people are attributing to him.
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« Reply #305 on: June 11, 2021, 01:21:56 PM »
That's because it's taken completely out of context  :lol

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« Reply #307 on: June 13, 2021, 07:39:29 AM »
Bidens Border Policy was the most unwisest thing the US could have done.

We are seeing why, you don't just say, "Come on in, we're open".

We've seen this consequence play out every Black Friday. These Immigrants were waiting in droves for those doors to open, and once they did, they came in, and started trampling over the Border Patrol Agents, whom are now overwhelmed with them. And some people get smart and just end up stealing shit, cause they know the workers are overwhelmed and they can't catch them, these are your Smugglers.
You're the second person to refer to this. I admit I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to Biden, but I don't recall him ever suggesting that anybody and everybody should come on over. Maybe he did, I don't know, but other than undoing much of Trump's handiwork did he really do anything to encourage people? Seems to me that all he really did was fail to recognize the backlog of legal immigrants that Trump's policies had created, and therefore prepare for it. He certainly should have, it wasn't hard to see coming, but that's very different than the encouragement that people are attributing to him.

Of course he didn't say those exact words. I was paraphrasing what the illegal immigrants basically heard. For one, they knew Biden being elected would mean open borders. Trump being elected meant borders are closed, so we stay in Mexico.

And Second, When Biden got elected thats when an influx of Immigrants swarmed in and the Border Patrol became overwhelmed. That's the issue that made Biden flip-flop his position on the border.

Here's some context and actual quotes of what he DID say.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/17/joe-biden-immigration-putin-afghanistan-cuomo-dog





That's not what he said for his Election Campaign. That's what he had to say when the influx happened. He had to tell them not to come because his dumbass said to come.
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« Reply #308 on: June 14, 2021, 10:08:42 AM »
It also can't be one way for one issue, and another way for another issue.   Kamala Harris represents a sanctuary STATE, so her views on immigration have history.  Trump after all never actually said "Muslim Ban" either (nor did the Executive Order) but that didn't stop people - including established news sources, like NBC and CNN - from referring to it as same. 

I'm more than happy to comply with whatever standard we're going to use to assess Presidential statements, but it can't be based in whole or in part on "what party they're in".   


(By the way, none of this is a criticism of Joe Biden; "pleased" is too strong a word, but he's certainly being the right President for the time, and as bad a couple weeks as she's had, Kamala Harris seems to be playing along.)

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« Reply #309 on: June 14, 2021, 10:22:04 AM »
It also can't be one way for one issue, and another way for another issue.   Kamala Harris represents a sanctuary STATE, so her views on immigration have history.  Trump after all never actually said "Muslim Ban" either (nor did the Executive Order) but that didn't stop people - including established news sources, like NBC and CNN - from referring to it as same. 

I'm more than happy to comply with whatever standard we're going to use to assess Presidential statements, but it can't be based in whole or in part on "what party they're in".   


(By the way, none of this is a criticism of Joe Biden; "pleased" is too strong a word, but he's certainly being the right President for the time, and as bad a couple weeks as she's had, Kamala Harris seems to be playing along.)
What he said was "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the country." This was in an official policy statement. Once somebody who knows how to play the game explained to him the rules, he switched to "certain shithole countries." If you want to claim that the "travel ban" wasn't a "Muslim ban" go right ahead. On a certain level you're correct. I'd simply say you're missing the forest through the trees.
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« Reply #310 on: June 14, 2021, 10:29:06 AM »
It also can't be one way for one issue, and another way for another issue.   Kamala Harris represents a sanctuary STATE, so her views on immigration have history.  Trump after all never actually said "Muslim Ban" either (nor did the Executive Order) but that didn't stop people - including established news sources, like NBC and CNN - from referring to it as same. 

I'm more than happy to comply with whatever standard we're going to use to assess Presidential statements, but it can't be based in whole or in part on "what party they're in".   


(By the way, none of this is a criticism of Joe Biden; "pleased" is too strong a word, but he's certainly being the right President for the time, and as bad a couple weeks as she's had, Kamala Harris seems to be playing along.)
What he said was "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the country." This was in an official policy statement. Once somebody who knows how to play the game explained to him the rules, he switched to "certain shithole countries." If you want to claim that the "travel ban" wasn't a "Muslim ban" go right ahead. On a certain level you're correct. I'd simply say you're missing the forest through the trees.


Well, the devil is in the details.  He made that statement before being President, at a rally.  When the rubber met the road, the EO was a restatement of an Obama-era program to STUDY the security of immigration from a previously selected, very discreet list of countries, albeit several whose population was predominantly Muslim.   In general, since almost 90% of Muslims weren't touched by the ban, I may be downplaying his personal intent (which I can't know and which isn't relevant in implementing the EO itself) I don't think it's quite "forest/trees" level, at least not when discussing the different ways people interpret Presidents depending on their own personal point of view.