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The Biden Presidency v.2021
« on: January 20, 2021, 07:47:26 AM »
Since we have a new president today, I figured we should start a new thread to cover his new term.

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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2021, 08:12:04 AM »
Less than two hours to go!
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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2021, 08:22:39 AM »
Less than two hours to go!

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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2021, 08:39:09 AM »
I'm just fired up for my free gasoline!   I can't wait!  (Does anyone know if it applies to the 93 octane? My car runs like crap on anything less than that.)  When do all my loans go away?  Is that automatic, or do I have to like, apply or something? Should I call Liz Warren's office?

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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2021, 09:22:25 AM »
For the record, I lean towards progressive policies and consider Biden a corporate Democrat.  :tdwn

I will be just as harsh on him with regards to his policies if I see something I don't like. I'm just confidant he won't be at all like the narcissistic fascist that just left town.

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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2021, 10:08:03 AM »
For the record, I lean towards progressive policies and consider Biden a corporate Democrat.  :tdwn

I will be just as harsh on him with regards to his policies if I see something I don't like. I'm just confidant he won't be at all like the narcissistic fascist that just left town.

What's your policy on effective compromise to govern 330 million Americans and not just those that agree with your progressive policies?   Your "corporate Democrat" is, to me, a moderate Democrat not beholden to party extremes (which I welcome; I don't fear Biden in the slightest; I fear Harris and Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez who might mistake this social and cultural time out as an ideological mandate).   What's your answer to those honest, hard-working Americans (you know, the six or seven that aren't deplorable white-supremacists) that didn't vote for Biden for fear of those progressive policies? 


(I'm trying to be funny; were we in person I'd've said all that with a smile and a wink.  I am NOT trying to be snarky or antagonistic.)

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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2021, 10:09:07 AM »
Damn I wanted to make this thread... Stupid work.



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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2021, 10:19:49 AM »
For the record, I lean towards progressive policies and consider Biden a corporate Democrat.  :tdwn

I will be just as harsh on him with regards to his policies if I see something I don't like. I'm just confidant he won't be at all like the narcissistic fascist that just left town.

What's your policy on effective compromise to govern 330 million Americans and not just those that agree with your progressive policies?   Your "corporate Democrat" is, to me, a moderate Democrat not beholden to party extremes (which I welcome; I don't fear Biden in the slightest; I fear Harris and Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez who might mistake this social and cultural time out as an ideological mandate).   What's your answer to those honest, hard-working Americans (you know, the six or seven that aren't deplorable white-supremacists) that didn't vote for Biden for fear of those progressive policies? 


(I'm trying to be funny; were we in person I'd've said all that with a smile and a wink.  I am NOT trying to be snarky or antagonistic.)

Oh make no mistake, you're trying to be snarky!  :lol

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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2021, 10:21:50 AM »
I'm just fired up for my free gasoline!   I can't wait!  (Does anyone know if it applies to the 93 octane? My car runs like crap on anything less than that.)  When do all my loans go away?  Is that automatic, or do I have to like, apply or something? Should I call Liz Warren's office?

Really?  Your first two posts here is lathered with snark?  Into the scotch already?
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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2021, 10:22:40 AM »
What's your answer to those honest, hard-working Americans (you know, the six or seven that aren't deplorable white-supremacists) that didn't vote for Biden for fear of those progressive policies? 

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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2021, 10:23:43 AM »
In other news, its nice to hear a speech with baseline competence which is somewhat grounded in reality from a US president. I had almost forgotten what that was like.
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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2021, 10:30:21 AM »
I'm just fired up for my free gasoline!   I can't wait!  (Does anyone know if it applies to the 93 octane? My car runs like crap on anything less than that.)  When do all my loans go away?  Is that automatic, or do I have to like, apply or something? Should I call Liz Warren's office?

Really?  Your first two posts here is lathered with snark?  Into the scotch already?

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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2021, 10:44:09 AM »
I'm just fired up for my free gasoline!   I can't wait!  (Does anyone know if it applies to the 93 octane? My car runs like crap on anything less than that.)  When do all my loans go away?  Is that automatic, or do I have to like, apply or something? Should I call Liz Warren's office?

Really?  Your first two posts here is lathered with snark?  Into the scotch already?

No.   I'm human.   It's an odd feeling; I see the glee, the gloating and the affirmation and it's distressing.  REALLY distressing.  These feelings are why I am not watching the inauguration (first one I've missed, well, ever.)   We're not "back".  We're as divisive as ever.  We're as antagonistic as ever.  We're still at the feet of China.  We're still dealing with issues we've been dealing with for decades.  And none of them are going to be solved by an Executive Order, or even a unifed Congress.   They are not ideological, they are cultural and social.   We have the CHANCE to be back, but we've got a LONG road and a LOT of work, and I'm only seeing flashes and bursts of promise, almost every one offset by a "GET OUT" instagram message by Ocasio-Cortez, or a reaffirmation of extremist liberal policies by Sanders, or something similar.  These are literally my greatest fears for this nation come to bear.

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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2021, 10:48:27 AM »
I'm just fired up for my free gasoline!   I can't wait!  (Does anyone know if it applies to the 93 octane? My car runs like crap on anything less than that.)  When do all my loans go away?  Is that automatic, or do I have to like, apply or something? Should I call Liz Warren's office?

Really?  Your first two posts here is lathered with snark?  Into the scotch already?

No.   I'm human.   It's an odd feeling; I see the glee, the gloating and the affirmation and it's distressing.  REALLY distressing.  These feelings are why I am not watching the inauguration (first one I've missed, well, ever.)   We're not "back".  We're as divisive as ever.  We're as antagonistic as ever.  We're still at the feet of China.  We're still dealing with issues we've been dealing with for decades.  And none of them are going to be solved by an Executive Order, or even a unifed Congress.   They are not ideological, they are cultural and social.   We have the CHANCE to be back, but we've got a LONG road and a LOT of work, and I'm only seeing flashes and bursts of promise, almost every one offset by a "GET OUT" instagram message by Ocasio-Cortez, or a reaffirmation of extremist liberal policies by Sanders, or something similar.  These are literally my greatest fears for this nation come to bear.

So, you're terrified?

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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2021, 10:52:01 AM »
Yo, Stadler, sorry to be this guy, but you are the only one here who ever, EVER, brings up Ocasio-Cortez for no reason other than to make a point. How about you focus on what's happening? DJT was a divisive piece of shit who made the USA look like a bunch of clowns for the rest of the world to see, single-handledly killing off long-term relationships with other countries, sowing distrust and making the world a more dangerous place to live in for everyone. Yes, I'm glad he's gone, but I was not the one showing 'glee' (though I could have, and have done in past threads).

Joe Biden's speech had a clear message. It was powerful, but also reflective (how anyone can still claim this man is senile or has dementia is beyond me). He KNOWS there's a shit-ton of work to be done, both nationally and internationally. How about we (you, broadly, Americans) work on that?
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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2021, 10:59:06 AM »
I'm just fired up for my free gasoline!   I can't wait!  (Does anyone know if it applies to the 93 octane? My car runs like crap on anything less than that.)  When do all my loans go away?  Is that automatic, or do I have to like, apply or something? Should I call Liz Warren's office?

Really?  Your first two posts here is lathered with snark?  Into the scotch already?

No.   I'm human.   It's an odd feeling; I see the glee, the gloating and the affirmation and it's distressing.  REALLY distressing.  These feelings are why I am not watching the inauguration (first one I've missed, well, ever.)   We're not "back".  We're as divisive as ever.  We're as antagonistic as ever.  We're still at the feet of China.  We're still dealing with issues we've been dealing with for decades.  And none of them are going to be solved by an Executive Order, or even a unifed Congress.   They are not ideological, they are cultural and social.   We have the CHANCE to be back, but we've got a LONG road and a LOT of work, and I'm only seeing flashes and bursts of promise, almost every one offset by a "GET OUT" instagram message by Ocasio-Cortez, or a reaffirmation of extremist liberal policies by Sanders, or something similar.  These are literally my greatest fears for this nation come to bear.

So, you're terrified?

So, you're a troll?

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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2021, 11:03:20 AM »
I'm just fired up for my free gasoline!   I can't wait!  (Does anyone know if it applies to the 93 octane? My car runs like crap on anything less than that.)  When do all my loans go away?  Is that automatic, or do I have to like, apply or something? Should I call Liz Warren's office?

Really?  Your first two posts here is lathered with snark?  Into the scotch already?

No.   I'm human.   It's an odd feeling; I see the glee, the gloating and the affirmation and it's distressing.  REALLY distressing.  These feelings are why I am not watching the inauguration (first one I've missed, well, ever.)   We're not "back".  We're as divisive as ever.  We're as antagonistic as ever.  We're still at the feet of China.  We're still dealing with issues we've been dealing with for decades.  And none of them are going to be solved by an Executive Order, or even a unifed Congress.   They are not ideological, they are cultural and social.   We have the CHANCE to be back, but we've got a LONG road and a LOT of work, and I'm only seeing flashes and bursts of promise, almost every one offset by a "GET OUT" instagram message by Ocasio-Cortez, or a reaffirmation of extremist liberal policies by Sanders, or something similar.  These are literally my greatest fears for this nation come to bear.

So, you're terrified?

So, you're a troll?

I say the following because I usually get peeved by this type of response in general conversation with anyone.  Please answer his question, in addition, if you are going to respond back to another question.

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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2021, 11:04:20 AM »
Man, that young poet was outstanding, such poise on such a huge stage.

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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2021, 11:08:13 AM »
Man, that young poet was outstanding, such poise on such a huge stage.

Yeah, she and the Rev that followed her fucking killed it!





No.   I'm human.   It's an odd feeling; I see the glee, the gloating and the affirmation and it's distressing.  REALLY distressing.  These feelings are why I am not watching the inauguration (first one I've missed, well, ever.)   We're not "back".  We're as divisive as ever.  We're as antagonistic as ever.  We're still at the feet of China.  We're still dealing with issues we've been dealing with for decades.  And none of them are going to be solved by an Executive Order, or even a unifed Congress.   They are not ideological, they are cultural and social.   We have the CHANCE to be back, but we've got a LONG road and a LOT of work, and I'm only seeing flashes and bursts of promise, almost every one offset by a "GET OUT" instagram message by Ocasio-Cortez, or a reaffirmation of extremist liberal policies by Sanders, or something similar.  These are literally my greatest fears for this nation come to bear.



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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2021, 11:08:42 AM »
Man, that young poet was outstanding, such poise on such a huge stage.

Amanda Gorman is stupendous, as a matter of course not just today.
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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2021, 11:17:40 AM »
Yo, Stadler, sorry to be this guy, but you are the only one here who ever, EVER, brings up Ocasio-Cortez for no reason other than to make a point. How about you focus on what's happening? DJT was a divisive piece of shit who made the USA look like a bunch of clowns for the rest of the world to see, single-handledly killing off long-term relationships with other countries, sowing distrust and making the world a more dangerous place to live in for everyone. Yes, I'm glad he's gone, but I was not the one showing 'glee' (though I could have, and have done in past threads).

Joe Biden's speech had a clear message. It was powerful, but also reflective (how anyone can still claim this man is senile or has dementia is beyond me). He KNOWS there's a shit-ton of work to be done, both nationally and internationally. How about we (you, broadly, Americans) work on that?

Bro, I'm in. I have been in. I've said it repeatedly.  If you have to ask why I bring up Ocasio-Cortez, you haven't gotten the point: SHE IS THE ONE YOU NEED TO BE SENDING THAT MESSAGE TO.  I'm a fan of BIDEN; the problem is, he's the only one saying and doing these things.    Harris is eye-rolling and winking when asked if she was going to follow Biden's lead on that policy (60 Minutes interview immediately following the election).  Not three days ago, Ocasio-Cortez was literally SCREAMING on Instagram for those in Congress that didn't see things her way to GET OUT.  That's the definition of "divisive".   

Trump wasn't our biggest problem; he was both a symptom and an exacerbator of our biggest problem(s): our inability to come to compromise, our inability to not view everything as a battle of ideology and morals, our inability to even have civil disagreement without baiting, trolling, or ad hominem judgements.  Trump's gone.  Yet all those voices feeding the flames of dischord, of divisiveness, making us look like domestic clowns, are still here.  Only time will tell if they fall in line with our esteemed (seriously, no snark) leader.

If you're truly committed to "working" on those things, then how about spread the word here? Instead of lecturing me, help me point out there's work to be done. Help me remind that we're not "back", yet.  Help me remind that trolling and gloating people isn't the way to build unity and concensus.   Help me to remind that 350 assholes is not and never will be the same as the 35,000,000 that have registered as Republicans.   Help me to remind that "that orange asshole" isn't a way to start a conversation about issues if you expect there to be any workable resolution from it, even if it makes you feel good.   Help me to remind that while there may be are exceptions, just wholesale reversing everything "the orange guy" did is no different than just wholesale reversing everything "the black guy" did.

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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2021, 11:28:26 AM »
I'm just fired up for my free gasoline!   I can't wait!  (Does anyone know if it applies to the 93 octane? My car runs like crap on anything less than that.)  When do all my loans go away?  Is that automatic, or do I have to like, apply or something? Should I call Liz Warren's office?

Really?  Your first two posts here is lathered with snark?  Into the scotch already?

No.   I'm human.   It's an odd feeling; I see the glee, the gloating and the affirmation and it's distressing.  REALLY distressing.  These feelings are why I am not watching the inauguration (first one I've missed, well, ever.)   We're not "back".  We're as divisive as ever.  We're as antagonistic as ever.  We're still at the feet of China.  We're still dealing with issues we've been dealing with for decades.  And none of them are going to be solved by an Executive Order, or even a unifed Congress.   They are not ideological, they are cultural and social.   We have the CHANCE to be back, but we've got a LONG road and a LOT of work, and I'm only seeing flashes and bursts of promise, almost every one offset by a "GET OUT" instagram message by Ocasio-Cortez, or a reaffirmation of extremist liberal policies by Sanders, or something similar.  These are literally my greatest fears for this nation come to bear.

So, you're terrified?

So, you're a troll?

I say the following because I usually get peeved by this type of response in general conversation with anyone.  Please answer his question, in addition, if you are going to respond back to another question.

I'd gladly answer it as a general proposition.  It wasn't a sincere question though.  He's been chastised repeatedly (not by me) for the hit and run posts that bring nothing to the table and just antagonize.   He has a long history of directing that at me in particular.

To you, if you want to know, no, I'm not "terrified".   That's a hyperbolic buzzword now for "I don't like it".   Whether I like it or not is immaterial.  I say "my greatest fear" as euphemism for "that which I believe will bring the most harm to what I see as the only credible path forward to a fully functioning democracy that serves all Americans".   I want a country/government where ideas can compete, free of judgment and scorn and ideological purity.  Those that don't pass muster fall away, and those that survive form the basis for a cross-demographic concensus.  That cannot happen as long as we dismiss the other side as "deplorable", "traitors", "fascists", "socialists", or any other ad hominem response.  That cannot happen as long as we view normal political attrition as "victories", and as long as we view those that disagree as "opponents" that need to be "overcome".  This isn't war.  This is governance. 

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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2021, 11:40:24 AM »
Man, that young poet was outstanding, such poise on such a huge stage.

Amanda Gorman is stupendous, as a matter of course not just today.

First I've heard of her, I'll definitely check out more of her work.

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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2021, 12:08:41 PM »
I'd gladly answer it as a general proposition.  It wasn't a sincere question though.  He's been chastised repeatedly (not by me) for the hit and run posts that bring nothing to the table and just antagonize.   He has a long history of directing that at me in particular.

To you, if you want to know, no, I'm not "terrified".   That's a hyperbolic buzzword now for "I don't like it".   Whether I like it or not is immaterial.  I say "my greatest fear" as euphemism for "that which I believe will bring the most harm to what I see as the only credible path forward to a fully functioning democracy that serves all Americans".   I want a country/government where ideas can compete, free of judgment and scorn and ideological purity.  Those that don't pass muster fall away, and those that survive form the basis for a cross-demographic concensus.  That cannot happen as long as we dismiss the other side as "deplorable", "traitors", "fascists", "socialists", or any other ad hominem response.  That cannot happen as long as we view normal political attrition as "victories", and as long as we view those that disagree as "opponents" that need to be "overcome".  This isn't war.  This is governance.

All right, fair enough.  I have no further comments/questions.  I just wanted to read thoughts.

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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2021, 12:10:38 PM »
Yo, Stadler, sorry to be this guy, but you are the only one here who ever, EVER, brings up Ocasio-Cortez for no reason other than to make a point. How about you focus on what's happening? DJT was a divisive piece of shit who made the USA look like a bunch of clowns for the rest of the world to see, single-handledly killing off long-term relationships with other countries, sowing distrust and making the world a more dangerous place to live in for everyone. Yes, I'm glad he's gone, but I was not the one showing 'glee' (though I could have, and have done in past threads).

Joe Biden's speech had a clear message. It was powerful, but also reflective (how anyone can still claim this man is senile or has dementia is beyond me). He KNOWS there's a shit-ton of work to be done, both nationally and internationally. How about we (you, broadly, Americans) work on that?

Bro, I'm in. I have been in. I've said it repeatedly.  If you have to ask why I bring up Ocasio-Cortez, you haven't gotten the point: SHE IS THE ONE YOU NEED TO BE SENDING THAT MESSAGE TO.  I'm a fan of BIDEN; the problem is, he's the only one saying and doing these things.

I don't know of specific situations to cite, but I can't believe he's the ONLY one.  Hell, Mitch has been rather cordial ever since he lost control of the Senate.  Even if Biden was the ONLY one, he's now POTUS, and his views/voice/words carry the most weight.  Can't you feel good for that, or do you have to routinely call out the views/voices/words that concern you from the likes of of minions like AOC - who are a gnat on a rats ass in the grand scheme of things?

Harris is eye-rolling and winking when asked if she was going to follow Biden's lead on that policy (60 Minutes interview immediately following the election).

Fuck man, let it go.  You're the only one that is terrified because of this 1 specific moment / behaviour.  How about the 1000s of other things that she's said or done that give millions of people cause for celebration.  You're as bad as mrs.jingle at holding on to one specific moment in time.  Seems like this is turning into your new "deplorable" moment you'll be referencing for the next 4 years.

Not three days ago, Ocasio-Cortez was literally SCREAMING on Instagram for those in Congress that didn't see things her way to GET OUT.  That's the definition of "divisive".

So.  Fucking.  What.  She's one member of Congress.  She's more of a celebrity than a politician.  You put too much stock in her dude.

If you're truly committed to "working" on those things, then how about spread the word here? Instead of lecturing me, help me point out there's work to be done. Help me remind that we're not "back", yet.  Help me remind that trolling and gloating people isn't the way to build unity and concensus.   Help me to remind that 350 assholes is not and never will be the same as the 35,000,000 that have registered as Republicans.   Help me to remind that "that orange asshole" isn't a way to start a conversation about issues if you expect there to be any workable resolution from it, even if it makes you feel good.   Help me to remind that while there may be are exceptions, just wholesale reversing everything "the orange guy" did is no different than just wholesale reversing everything "the black guy" did.

My man, you really don't know how much of a stain Trump was as far as the rest of the world is concerned.  The removal of that stain is like taking a dying patient off of life support and out of the ICU.  Yes, there's still a long/hard road to travel, but can you not be pleased that you're off life support?
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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2021, 12:37:11 PM »
Yo, Stadler, sorry to be this guy, but you are the only one here who ever, EVER, brings up Ocasio-Cortez for no reason other than to make a point. How about you focus on what's happening? DJT was a divisive piece of shit who made the USA look like a bunch of clowns for the rest of the world to see, single-handledly killing off long-term relationships with other countries, sowing distrust and making the world a more dangerous place to live in for everyone. Yes, I'm glad he's gone, but I was not the one showing 'glee' (though I could have, and have done in past threads).

Joe Biden's speech had a clear message. It was powerful, but also reflective (how anyone can still claim this man is senile or has dementia is beyond me). He KNOWS there's a shit-ton of work to be done, both nationally and internationally. How about we (you, broadly, Americans) work on that?

Bro, I'm in. I have been in. I've said it repeatedly.  If you have to ask why I bring up Ocasio-Cortez, you haven't gotten the point: SHE IS THE ONE YOU NEED TO BE SENDING THAT MESSAGE TO.  I'm a fan of BIDEN; the problem is, he's the only one saying and doing these things.

I don't know of specific situations to cite, but I can't believe he's the ONLY one.  Hell, Mitch has been rather cordial ever since he lost control of the Senate.  Even if Biden was the ONLY one, he's now POTUS, and his views/voice/words carry the most weight.  Can't you feel good for that, or do you have to routinely call out the views/voices/words that concern you from the likes of of minions like AOC - who are a gnat on a rats ass in the grand scheme of things?

If we've learned nothing from the last 12 years (maybe the 28 years) is that words matter, but only to a point. You can keep your doctor, Chad!  They do carry weight, if that in fact is the path forward.  At this point, we don't know; we'll see.  I'm - relatively, cautiously - euphoric for Joe's message.  But to your point, if he's got an agenda of unification, don't you think someone as smart, experienced, and aware as Joe Biden would call Bernie, and say "look you old bastard; hold it in for 100 days.  Fuck, 30 days.  Fuck, 30 HOURS.  Let me get in the office, get settled before we go back to politics as usual.  Same with Ocasio-Cortez.  Odds are more than zero that she'll say "way to keep brown down, you white haired old coot", but that just goes to my point.   Even if you have to fake it, "unity" means EVERYONE, not just the losers (i.e. one's who lost, not underachievers and failures). 

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Harris is eye-rolling and winking when asked if she was going to follow Biden's lead on that policy (60 Minutes interview immediately following the election).

Fuck man, let it go.  You're the only one that is terrified because of this 1 specific moment / behaviour.  How about the 1000s of other things that she's said or done that give millions of people cause for celebration.  You're as bad as mrs.jingle at holding on to one specific moment in time.  Seems like this is turning into your new "deplorable" moment you'll be referencing for the next 4 years.

And like deplorable, it's NOT one moment, it's just one example of MANY moments.  I didn't watch today, but I only know ONE time she DID spout Joe's message, and that was the speech following the election.  EVERY OTHER ONE either was silent on the issue or failed to directly answer the question.   I think I deserve a little more benefit of the doubt than that.

And tell Mrs. Jingle I'll call her later to discuss the "wink and eye-roll" t-shirts we're planning.  ;)

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Not three days ago, Ocasio-Cortez was literally SCREAMING on Instagram for those in Congress that didn't see things her way to GET OUT.  That's the definition of "divisive".

So.  Fucking.  What.  She's one member of Congress.  She's more of a celebrity than a politician.  You put too much stock in her dude.

Okay.  Sure.  But you've 'but that's just ONE!'d me now three times!  You're as bad as Trump denying the bigger picture!   :)   I notice people didn't dismiss Hawley as "just one member of Congress".   She IS a celebrity and that's why I focus on her; that's what registers these days.   That's got legs.

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My man, you really don't know how much of a stain Trump was as far as the rest of the world is concerned.  The removal of that stain is like taking a dying patient off of life support and out of the ICU.  Yes, there's still a long/hard road to travel, but can you not be pleased that you're off life support?

Why would you assume I don't know how much some people thought him a stain?  I don't live under a rock.  You do this to me a fair amount; assume disagreement is rooted only in a failure to understand. 

I don't think we ARE off life support.  We've just talked about getting off life support.  We're now huddled around the respirator looking at each other going "are we going to do this?"    The ONE SIGN - literally the ONLY sign I've seen so far - that we MIGHT be removing the respirator?   This.

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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2021, 12:56:18 PM »
What exactly is this AOC tweet that got you riled up?
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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2021, 01:00:04 PM »


Okay.  Sure.  But you've 'but that's just ONE!'d me now three times! 

It wasn't three times (I said I DIDN'T believe Biden was the ONLY one).  I think it's a mischaracterization to suggest my intent (if I'm interpreting your above comment properly) was "this is the only example of x, so no biggie" (also, it was two different topics).  If Harris is truly guilty of repeated problematic behaviours and statements, then maybe you could refer to them, because I don't see it.  You know I'm willing to change my position (you've done it on multiple occasions over the past few years), so please offer me something other than the 60 Minutes interview as a reason she should be a concern.

On AOC front - she's not the ONLY politician that is continuing to sow the divisiveness ... but you are the only one that repeatedly cites HER examples to highlight the problem.  Surely there are other examples you could point (cough ... Cruz ... cough) to for repeated infractions of divisiveness?

You badgered most of us for the entire Trump Presidency not to be worried about what he was saying, not to read into what he was saying, and to look at what was actually happening, or what he could actually do.  Time for you to take your own medicine, as it seems you're drawing conclusions about what might or might not be based on IG posts.
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Re: The Biden Presidency v.2021
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2021, 01:00:23 PM »


Okay.  Sure.  But you've 'but that's just ONE!'d me now three times! 

It wasn't three times (I said I DIDN'T believe Biden was the ONLY one).  I think it's a mischaracterization to suggest my intent (if I'm interpreting your above comment properly) was "this is the only example of x, so no biggie" (also, it was two different topics).  If Harris is truly guilty of repeated problematic behaviours and statements, then maybe you could refer to them, because I don't see it.  You know I'm willing to change my position (you've done it on multiple occasions over the past few years), so please offer me something other than the 60 Minutes interview as a reason she should be a concern.

On AOC front - she's not the ONLY politician that is continuing to sow the divisiveness ... but you are the only one that repeatedly cites HER examples to highlight the problem.  Surely there are other examples you could point (cough ... Cruz ... cough) to for repeated infractions of divisiveness?

You badgered most of us for the entire Trump Presidency not to be worried about what he was saying, not to read into what he was saying, and to look at what was actually happening, or what he could actually do.  Time for you to take your own medicine, as it seems you're drawing conclusions about what might or might not be based on IG posts.
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« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2021, 03:20:26 PM »


Okay.  Sure.  But you've 'but that's just ONE!'d me now three times! 

It wasn't three times (I said I DIDN'T believe Biden was the ONLY one).  I think it's a mischaracterization to suggest my intent (if I'm interpreting your above comment properly) was "this is the only example of x, so no biggie" (also, it was two different topics).  If Harris is truly guilty of repeated problematic behaviours and statements, then maybe you could refer to them, because I don't see it.  You know I'm willing to change my position (you've done it on multiple occasions over the past few years), so please offer me something other than the 60 Minutes interview as a reason she should be a concern.

On AOC front - she's not the ONLY politician that is continuing to sow the divisiveness ... but you are the only one that repeatedly cites HER examples to highlight the problem.  Surely there are other examples you could point (cough ... Cruz ... cough) to for repeated infractions of divisiveness?

You badgered most of us for the entire Trump Presidency not to be worried about what he was saying, not to read into what he was saying, and to look at what was actually happening, or what he could actually do.  Time for you to take your own medicine, as it seems you're drawing conclusions about what might or might not be based on IG posts.

Thank you.  You've actually made my point for me.   You're right about that last paragraph ("badgered" is a harsh word, but still...) and that's still the case.  Except...  there was, for the most part, an absurdity to the Trump blather.  He was always the most extreme, and the rest of the party was drawn in kicking and screaming, to the extent they felt comfortable (some more some less).  Add to that that he didn't have the first idea on how to effect REAL change, and you had a literal example of a paper tiger. He'd talk about banning the press, or building the wall, or something absurd, and then it would go nowhere fairly quickly, because he never could get the people that REALLY effect change - Congress - to buy in.  Other than the tax cut, and unless I'm forgetting something, there is NO major legislation to come out of the Trump four years. 

And most importantly, most people here rushed to say how much of an anomaly Trump is was.  There was an almost surreal sense of how "bad" he was, how "unacceptable" he was, how "unpalatable" he was, and what a relief it was and is that Biden is now in.

Ocasio-Cortez is part of the caucus that SUPPORTS Biden. She is, by implication, part of the fresh air.  She is the most vocal of the very specific body that CAN effect the change we're talking about.  She IS the relief, and while there are also plenty of people pointing out the ridiculousness of Cruz (and I support that; I despise him), the reality is that much of what you can Cruz, you can say about her as well.  And we're not talking about me; we're talking about HERE.   How can one say "relief", or that "we're taking the steps to get back" or, as one person said, "we ARE back", when you've got people in Biden's party, with majorities in the House and Senate, furthering the same toxicity as Trump?   

You can't switch standards on me; I'm fine with whatever one you pick, just don't use one for Trump and a different one for "your guy" or "your team".  If my badgering was wrong then and you were right, then fine, but apply that now, here. 

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« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2021, 03:32:26 PM »

Thank you.  You've actually made my point for me.   

He actually made it twice. ;D
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« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2021, 03:42:04 PM »

Thank you.  You've actually made my point for me.   

He actually made it twice. ;D

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« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2021, 04:00:27 PM »
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« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2021, 04:26:52 PM »
Thank you.  You've actually made my point for me.   You're right about that last paragraph ("badgered" is a harsh word, but still...) and that's still the case.  Except...  there was, for the most part, an absurdity to the Trump blather.  He was always the most extreme, and the rest of the party was drawn in kicking and screaming, to the extent they felt comfortable (some more some less).  Add to that that he didn't have the first idea on how to effect REAL change, and you had a literal example of a paper tiger. He'd talk about banning the press, or building the wall, or something absurd, and then it would go nowhere fairly quickly, because he never could get the people that REALLY effect change - Congress - to buy in.  Other than the tax cut, and unless I'm forgetting something, there is NO major legislation to come out of the Trump four years. 

And most importantly, most people here rushed to say how much of an anomaly Trump is was.  There was an almost surreal sense of how "bad" he was, how "unacceptable" he was, how "unpalatable" he was, and what a relief it was and is that Biden is now in.

Ocasio-Cortez is part of the caucus that SUPPORTS Biden. She is, by implication, part of the fresh air.  She is the most vocal of the very specific body that CAN effect the change we're talking about.  She IS the relief, and while there are also plenty of people pointing out the ridiculousness of Cruz (and I support that; I despise him), the reality is that much of what you can Cruz, you can say about her as well.  And we're not talking about me; we're talking about HERE.   How can one say "relief", or that "we're taking the steps to get back" or, as one person said, "we ARE back", when you've got people in Biden's party, with majorities in the House and Senate, furthering the same toxicity as Trump?   

You can't switch standards on me; I'm fine with whatever one you pick, just don't use one for Trump and a different one for "your guy" or "your team".  If my badgering was wrong then and you were right, then fine, but apply that now, here.

You're absolutely right, badgering was too harsh a word.  You were voracious and passionate in your reminders of this to the bulk of the people here (no snark).

I'm not sure what standard I'm not following consistently though.  You see the AOC example as the mirror image to Cruz.  I'm not sure I do.  That's my prerogative.  You don't/didn't see things the way I (or others) do/did, so please don't tell or expect me to see things the way you do even when applying these standards against certain situations.  I don't think AOC's rhetoric is nearly as dangerous to your nation as Trump's was - because of her position in the gov't (she's one member of Congress, a junior member at that), and because of her actual rhetoric.  On both measures, Trump was far more destructive than AOC could possibly be over the next four years.  So, even applying the same standard, I don't apply it the way you are, or get to the same outcome.*

The one thing that I think I've come to realize is that (imo) a lot of your positions and stances with Trump seem to come from the frame of him as the leader of the Executive Branch, and the impact/power that he wielded as such.  You talk type about 'what legislation did he actually do', and you're right to bring that up to counter the 'attacks' on him (here and in society at large).  But there are far too many non-legislative ways, and intangible ways that he has decimated your nation.  Far too many things that he DID do with lasting, negative consequences.

* in many cases I have applied standards to 'my' / left side.  I've said that Lemon and Tapper are the left wing equivalent of Carlson and Hannity.  I in fact said that to one of my EVPs earlier this afternoon.
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« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2021, 04:47:00 PM »
Will it be like a version of "There's a Trump Tweet about everything"?
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But I think that is going to be something we see a LOT in general...not just Stadler.  Are we here at DTF being consistent now that we have a new POTUS?  will be interesting to see.

On another note, I kind of object to the notion that UNITY means inclusion of EVERY person in the US.  That is not what is meant in any practical sense.  It can be a goal, or a spectrum....with varying degrees of success....but we cant dismiss the effort to achieve unity if we cant have EVERYONE agree. 

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