Just General non band specific Music Chat Thread !

[Kotowboy]

I believe that is called the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon.

[DoctorAction]

I've not followed it much but it sounds like she's had a crap decade or two.

[Kotowboy]

I've not followed it much but it sounds like she's had a crap ALBUM or two.

FTFY

[DoctorAction]

  Probably that too. (Never heard one)

[hefdaddy42]

I've not followed it much but it sounds like she's had a crap decade or two.

She certainly has.

[Stadler]

I've not followed it much but it sounds like she's had a crap ALBUM or two.

FTFY

Depends what you're looking for.  If you're looking for double-album prog concept records about the relationship between the Fibonacci sequence and fractals, sure, they're crap.

If you're looking for catchy pop that has melodies that sticks with you for days, then I think you may be trading on stereotypes; I know several people with exquisite taste in music that very much like her records.

[Adami]

Haven't listened to a ton of Britney, but Toxic is pretty awesome.

[Zook]

Haven't listened to a ton of Britney, but Toxic is pretty awesome.

Is that the one with the crazy 2 minute keyboard solo?

[WilliamMunny]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAbApPuQUW4

FYI—I checked out the link.

Good stuff! It's really cool to be able to place a 'musical face' with your posts.

I hear an Oceansize-meets-Ghost sort of vibe there, and the song sounds like a promising beginning. Any reason you guys hung it up? Or are you just on a hiatus?

[Adami]

Haven't listened to a ton of Britney, but Toxic is pretty awesome.

Is that the one with the crazy 2 minute keyboard solo?

No no, it's the one in alternating 16/8 and 765/128. Oddly, it IS about the relationship between the Fibonacci sequence and fractals.

[Kotowboy]

AC/DC have a new song out.

It sounds exactly like AC/DC.

If you like AC/DC you'll love it.

For everyone else - it sounds exactly like every other AC/DC song you've ever heard.

It's their music & career - but I don't know how THEY don't get sick of sounding the exact same on every album.


Like - sitting in the mastering suite for album 47 going " We outdid ourselves this time. We really pushed ourselves to make something really special. Oh wait no it's just A D and G again "

[Kwyjibo]

Can it be, that you're a bit envious of all those that write catchy and successful tunes?

Or why else do you constantly  bitch about artists you don't understand/don't like/don't care about? Why not talk about the ones you like instead?

[Adami]

Thanks for the reminder that it dropped!

I quite enjoyed it.

[TAC]

AC/DC have a new song out.

It sounds exactly like AC/DC.

If you like AC/DC you'll love it.

For everyone else - it sounds exactly like every other AC/DC song you've ever heard.

It's their music & career - but I don't know how THEY don't get sick of sounding the exact same on every album.


Like - sitting in the mastering suite for album 47 going " We outdid ourselves this time. We really pushed ourselves to make something really special. Oh wait no it's just A D and G again "

That's a great song. One of the best on the album, it it really doesn't sound all that samey to me.

[LithoJazzoSphere]

I've not followed it much but it sounds like she's had a crap ALBUM or two.

FTFY

Depends what you're looking for.  If you're looking for double-album prog concept records about the relationship between the Fibonacci sequence and fractals, sure, they're crap.

If you're looking for catchy pop that has melodies that sticks with you for days, then I think you may be trading on stereotypes; I know several people with exquisite taste in music that very much like her records.

I've heard from a number of reputable people that Blackout is a pretty good album, and the scores for it at music snob aggregators seem to confirm this.  I keep putting the album off myself, but I would imagine that prog nerds who are open to quality electronic pop music like Chvrches and such should probably consider at least evaluating it, putting aside judgements of past material at least temporarily. 

[WilliamMunny]

Thanks for the reminder that it dropped!

I quite enjoyed it.

Agreed! I've been playing the last record a ton...despite all the hell they've gone through, the band sounds totally reviatalized.

[Elite]

Can it be, that you're a bit envious of all those that write catchy and successful tunes?

Or why else do you constantly  bitch about artists you don't understand/don't like/don't care about? Why not talk about the ones you like instead?

Like Green Day, who do the same three-chord trick as well. But when they do, it's suddenly okay

[Sebastián Pratesi]

Like - sitting in the mastering suite for album 47 going " We outdid ourselves this time. We really pushed ourselves to make something really special. Oh wait no it's just A D and G again "

Keep in mind that not all musicians listen to their own music. Johnny Ramone didn't care about some of his '80s output.

It's like Mr. McDonalds. It's likely he doesn't enjoy eating his own food everyday. But, it produces lots of money. So, he sticks with it.

[Kotowboy]

Can it be, that you're a bit envious of all those that write catchy and successful tunes?

Or why else do you constantly  bitch about artists you don't understand/don't like/don't care about? Why not talk about the ones you like instead?

Worse troll than Blabbermouth

[Kotowboy]

Also I'm not "bitching" about them. I like a lot of their stuff.

I just don't get why they always sound SO similar.

Of course I've not heard EVERY album. But I've heard enough to notice

That a lot of their songs sound identical. .

But it's their music and career.

[Zantera]

I think in some cases the band stick to their sound because that's the music they enjoy making and playing. With some bands you have very different minded people and they all agree on a certain sound and if you start pulling in either direction it might cause those splits because they don't agree on the direction of the music.

But I also think there's bands that try something different, maybe it gets fairly lukewarm reception and they go back to their old sound as a safety thing. Bands like Maiden and Metallica that changed things up a bit during the 90s but reception wasn't the best so ultimately they were like "alright let's get back to what we know".

[Kotowboy]

Can it be, that you're a bit envious of all those that write catchy and successful tunes?

Or why else do you constantly  bitch about artists you don't understand/don't like/don't care about? Why not talk about the ones you like instead?

Like Green Day, who do the same three-chord trick as well. But when they do, it's suddenly okay

Dookie doesn't sound like Nimrod which doesn't sound like Warning or

21st century breakdown. Green Days albums can sound vastly different.

Whereas most AC/DC I've heard all have the same "tone" from album to album.

[Adami]

Sometimes it depends on how big of a fan we are. My girlfriend would swear that every band I listen to (from Metallica to Pain of Salvation) sound the same.

I remember I saw Iced Earth once and, even though I know all their songs, I realized that if I were not familiar with them, I'd think I was listening to one 90 minute song with breaks.

[hefdaddy42]

Well, AC/DC really DOES sound almost exactly the same, if not from song to song, from album to album.

But I don't begrudge them, since that's how they make their money.  Their fans eat it up.

It doesn't interest ME all that much, but I still listen to some of their classics from time to time.  More power to them.

[Kotowboy]

Yes i'm not bitching. It's not for me although I do like a lot of their songs.

Rock Or Bust has a hell of a main riff.

[Zantera]

There's plenty of bands I feel 'sound the same' whether it's AC/DC, Foo Fighters, Green Day or U2 but I think part of it is not being a huge fan either. If it's a band you really like and they keep making music like they have in the past, there's not much reason to complain as a fan. You also have to look at some bands like Iron Maiden who in 83 could have gone "Yeah we've made Number of the Beast and Piece of Mind, now let's change direction to not get stale" but they kept trucking along and we got one of those classic album runs.

While there's not many newer bands who have forged a legacy like Maiden or AC/DC, I think some bands have that mentality that "we've put out 2 great albums in this style, let's keep going" and in some cases the band has a strong 4-5 album run, in other cases they fall off creatively. But you take an even bigger risk when changing style because it doesn't always pay off either.

[Kotowboy]

I agree that 'selling out' can also mean putting out the same music every time cause you know it will sell a bucket load.

[Stadler]

Also I'm not "bitching" about them. I like a lot of their stuff.

I just don't get why they always sound SO similar.

Of course I've not heard EVERY album. But I've heard enough to notice

That a lot of their songs sound identical. .

But it's their music and career.

I think there's something to the bold.  I grew up with AC/DC, and I've been a consistent and steady fan for most of my life.  You play a song from them and I can more often than not tell you the album just by the sound.  For someone familiar with it, they DON'T sound all the same and I sort of laugh at that.  The songs on High Voltage (US) do not sound ANYTHING like the songs on Highway To Hell.   There's a shade more same-iness to the Johnson years, but songs off FTATR don't sound ANYTHING like the songs off Blow Up Your Video to me.  But - and not to pile on Green Day - I feel the same about them.  Other than "Jesus of Suburbia", they've been putting out the same 3:15 second faux punk knock-off for over two decades.  Slayer?  12 albums of 10 songs each that are all "I hate God!" riff riff riff, wheedly wheedly solo, riff riff riff "I hate God some more!" riff riff riff.  Yawn, for me, but it's very much because I'm not familiar with the intricacies.

[twosuitsluke]

Also I'm not "bitching" about them. I like a lot of their stuff.

I just don't get why they always sound SO similar.

Of course I've not heard EVERY album. But I've heard enough to notice

That a lot of their songs sound identical. .

But it's their music and career.

I think there's something to the bold.  I grew up with AC/DC, and I've been a consistent and steady fan for most of my life.  You play a song from them and I can more often than not tell you the album just by the sound.  For someone familiar with it, they DON'T sound all the same and I sort of laugh at that.  The songs on High Voltage (US) do not sound ANYTHING like the songs on Highway To Hell.   There's a shade more same-iness to the Johnson years, but songs off FTATR don't sound ANYTHING like the songs off Blow Up Your Video to me.  But - and not to pile on Green Day - I feel the same about them.  Other than "Jesus of Suburbia", they've been putting out the same 3:15 second faux punk knock-off for over two decades.  Slayer?  12 albums of 10 songs each that are all "I hate God!" riff riff riff, wheedly wheedly solo, riff riff riff "I hate God some more!" riff riff riff.  Yawn, for me, but it's very much because I'm not familiar with the intricacies.

Stads, I think your statements about Green Day/Slayer show that you haven't extensively listened to each band, so they are way off. But that was obviously your point.

As someone who has been a big fan of both bands, for nearly 20 years, although those statements ring true to certain eras of the bands careers, it is unfair to generalise their whole career.

Yes, 3:15 faux punk knock-off rings true for everything post American Idiot for Green Day, and I hate God!" riff riff riff, wheedly wheedly solo, riff riff riff "I hate God some more!" riff riff riff certainly does not represent their early career.

But as I said, your view on those bands proves your point, as does Kotow's view on AC/DC. It's easy to say it all sounds the same if you don't get it/immerse yourself in it. For a lot of people all heavy metal sounds exactly the same to them, and how ridiculous is that?!

[Stadler]

You're 100% right: I was making a point, not slagging those bands (I like, not love, Green Day and though I am not a fan of Slayer, it's not for any of the reasons I wrote).

[twosuitsluke]

Yea I get it, I know we're on the same page. I quoted your post but I was using it to point out how wrong it was for Kowtow's sake, not yours 

[Ben_Jamin]

I agree that 'selling out' can also mean putting out the same music every time cause you know it will sell a bucket load.

I disagree.

It's not selling out when your career is based off of that same sound and style.

Selling Out is when you completely disregard your integrity of creating good music to create music that sells, usually this consists of trends in music that are popular at the time.

One person I would call sell-out is Machine Gun Kelly. He was a great rapper, but he uses that talent to make money and for the fame. He is not using his talent to create awesome rap songs or any other type of song he wants. He's using it as a tool to fame and using that as a means to put his name on the tabloids, such as the feud with Corey Taylor.



In other words, just because the music is repetitive does not mean the artist is a sell-out. If it's the music the artist wants to create and it happens to sell, then why not continue making that style of music if it continues to generate income.

[Lowdz]

I agree that 'selling out' can also mean putting out the same music every time cause you know it will sell a bucket load.

Only if that's the only reason you do it.
AC/DC have a style and pretty much stick to it. If Angus or Malcolm wanted to do something other than this they could have done solo projects, but as far as I know (and I'm more of a casual fan of the classic years than an Uber fan) they haven't.

Plenty of the bands I liked in the 80s did try the sellout route and suddenly went "grunge" as though it was what they always wanted to do. The biggest sellouts for me were Pantera. Trying to be a glam band but then suddenly becoming whatever the hell they became? Which was really them?

I'm not sure if changing with the times like Rush did, or KISS or Alice Cooper is selling out because I guess there's a fine line between genre jumping and incorporating new influences into what you do.

[Kotowboy]

I do laugh when people say Metallica sold out on the Black Album.

Not really. The songs were just shorter and they wanted better production.

You really think a song like Of Wolf And Man or Thru The Never wouldn't have fit on And Justice For All ? It would have just been twice as long.

They knew well before Bob Rock came aboard the songs were getting too long and they had taken that sound as far as they could.

And as for LOAD - Yeah No. Their sound got a bit more Southern influenced but more commercial ? Not really.

Load was an 80 minute album with 7 - 10 minute songs. Hardly radio friendly.

[Ben_Jamin]

I do laugh when people say Metallica sold out on the Black Album.

Not really. The songs were just shorter and they wanted better production.

You really think a song like Of Wolf And Man or Thru The Never wouldn't have fit on And Justice For All ? It would have just been twice as long.

They knew well before Bob Rock came aboard the songs were getting too long and they had taken that sound as far as they could.

And as for LOAD - Yeah No. Their sound got a bit more Southern influenced but more commercial ? Not really.

Load was an 80 minute album with 7 - 10 minute songs. Hardly radio friendly.

Imagine Leper Messiah with the production of The Black Album. That is one song I think would totally fit on that album.