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Re: 2020 Election Aftermath Thread
« Reply #105 on: November 25, 2020, 10:06:44 AM »
Sure, you’re quality and types of care would exceed underdeveloped nations like Somalia, but all Togo’s other items you list... developed nations have those too.

As for the issue of spending “too much”... well that depends on the outcome you (Royal) are seeking. If it’s quality of care, life expectancy or other HEALTH related measures, you aren’t getting the care you need. If it’s corporate profits, then by all means, spend away,

Think of it like a car. Is buying a 7-Series to get you back and forth to your job that is 5 miles down the road “too much”?  It depends is really the only answer, as there are a lot of factors to consider.

But we’ve digressed from the Election.  I guess the next really big event is the campaigning for those last 2 Senate seats. Since I’ve tuned out from the US media (TV or web) I’ve heard nuthin.  What’s the temperature down there on that one?
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« Reply #106 on: November 25, 2020, 12:34:05 PM »
Republicans should be favored in a close-ish election. There's some question of whether some diehard Trump supporters will play ball as the rest of the party gradually comes to grips with Biden being the rightful president-elect. Supposedly people were having a hard time seeing hashtags on Parler (supposedly a bastion of free speech) that were related to a movement to write in Donald Trump for the Georgia Senate race. The only thing I can guarantee is that an obscene amount of money will be spent on it that could have been much better served elsewhere.
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Re: 2020 Election Aftermath Thread
« Reply #107 on: November 25, 2020, 03:02:49 PM »
What's the over/under on the number of pardons Trumpster hands out to his cronies?  One down, 23 to go.  I'm going with a solid two-dozen.
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Re: 2020 Election Aftermath Thread
« Reply #108 on: November 25, 2020, 03:08:59 PM »
Wait, the president can pardon whoever they like whenever they like?

That is... absolutely mad.

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Re: 2020 Election Aftermath Thread
« Reply #109 on: November 25, 2020, 03:10:49 PM »
Wait, the president can pardon whoever they like whenever they like?

That is... absolutely mad.

He can pardon anyone charged with a federal crime. If the state puts someone away, the president can't grant that person a pardon, but I think a governor can.   


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« Reply #110 on: November 25, 2020, 04:25:51 PM »
I've always thought that was a little sketchy. Seems like there should be some confirmation or something. The real question is whether he'll try to pardon himself. I personally don't think he will because he thinks he's above the law and has never done anything wrong.

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Re: 2020 Election Aftermath Thread
« Reply #112 on: November 25, 2020, 06:39:59 PM »
I've always thought that was a little sketchy. Seems like there should be some confirmation or something. The real question is whether he'll try to pardon himself. I personally don't think he will because he thinks he's above the law and has never done anything wrong.

His problem is that at least some of the potential issues he has are at a state level, so he couldn't pardon himself if he wanted to.
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« Reply #113 on: November 26, 2020, 07:30:24 AM »
I've always thought that was a little sketchy. Seems like there should be some confirmation or something. The real question is whether he'll try to pardon himself. I personally don't think he will because he thinks he's above the law and has never done anything wrong.

His problem is that at least some of the potential issues he has are at a state level, so he couldn't pardon himself if he wanted to.
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« Reply #114 on: November 26, 2020, 09:53:46 AM »
Biden should pardon Trump.  Not much downside as charges are State level.  Trump probably hates being pardoned by someone else....and Biden gets the public brownie points.
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Re: 2020 Election Aftermath Thread
« Reply #115 on: November 26, 2020, 11:12:22 AM »
Biden should pardon Trump.  Not much downside as charges are State level.  Trump probably hates being pardoned by someone else....and Biden gets the public brownie points.

As hilarious as that would be, Biden isn't that much of a troll
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« Reply #116 on: November 26, 2020, 11:21:53 AM »
@H... it's not personal out-of-pocket cost (that's such a US mindset).  It's the total cost of delivering healthcare, not the cost that individuals pay for it.
Yeah, this.

The US spends an absolutely huge amount on healthcare for seemingly little to no benefit.

My understanding is that a lot of that extra spenditure is collected by lawyers. Is that a correct assumption?

No.

And a little hint for those thinking it: it's not "obscene profits" either.   The biggest nugget is administrative costs.  We spend SO much on the layers - both the layers between patient and outcome, but also the various state schemes.  Doctors/nurses get paid more here, and there is always the "pharmaceuticals" (which is why I called Obamacare a bust from day one; his first move was to cut a deal with the pharmaceuticals to freeze their profits). 

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/080615/6-reasons-healthcare-so-expensive-us.asp
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/22/the-real-reason-medical-care-costs-so-much-more-in-the-us.html
https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2019/04/04/five_facts_why_us_health_care_is_so_expensive__111148.html

There are easily five or six more sources just like these (there's a great article at the NY Times, behind a paywall, saying almost the same thing). 
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« Reply #117 on: November 26, 2020, 11:39:56 AM »
What's the over/under on the number of pardons Trumpster hands out to his cronies?  One down, 23 to go.  I'm going with a solid two-dozen.

That's so charming. If he did that, he'd be the lowest President ever... well, since McKinley, anyway, and BY FAR the lowest as a percentage of the number of requests.


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Re: 2020 Election Aftermath Thread
« Reply #118 on: November 26, 2020, 01:39:55 PM »
It’s also cute your effort to dismiss my (less than subtle) insinuation of improper use of Presidential clemency in throwing out a meaningless statistic. Nonetheless, thank you for validating my point within the context of your own citation.

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Looking at the same data another way, Trump has granted clemency to less than half of 1% of the more than 10,000 people who petitioned him for it through the end of the 2020 fiscal year (which ended Sept. 30), according to the Justice Department. That, too, is the lowest percentage of any president on record

While rare so far, Trump’s use of presidential clemency has caused controversy because of the nature of his pardons and commutations. Many of Trump’s clemency recipients have had a “personal or political connection to the president,” according to a July analysis by the Lawfare blog, and he has often circumvented the formal process through which clemency requests are typically considered. 
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Re: 2020 Election Aftermath Thread
« Reply #119 on: November 28, 2020, 12:29:17 AM »
The recount in Milwaukee added 132 votes to Joe's lead  :lol

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« Reply #120 on: November 30, 2020, 01:40:00 AM »
The recount in Milwaukee added 132 votes to Joe's lead  :lol

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« Reply #121 on: November 30, 2020, 04:01:53 AM »
These reports might be false of course, but if true, is it really possible that Trump is actually a deluded fantasist who genuinely believes he really won the election?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/election-results-trump-king-george-b1763487.html?amp

"Trump was ‘muttering, I won, I won, like ‘Mad King George’ after election defeat, report says"

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« Reply #122 on: November 30, 2020, 05:57:35 AM »
Is that article working for you? When I click on it I get sent to the newspaper website but I can't find it anywhere.
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« Reply #123 on: November 30, 2020, 07:55:53 AM »
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Trump was ‘muttering, I won, I won, like ‘Mad King George’ after election defeat, report says
President ‘scrambled for an escape hatch from reality’ according to The Washington Post

Donald Trump on election night was like "Mad King George, muttering, 'I won. I won. I won,' " according to one close adviser, who spoke to The Washington Post for a remarkable recap of the 20 days since the election.

More than 30 senior administration officials, members of his legal team, campaign aides and advisers told the paper of his increasingly unhinged attempts to overturn the election result, and how those left within the White House humoured him.

Those around the president after 3 November were "happy to scratch his itch," the close adviser said. 

"If he thinks he won, it’s like, 'Shh, we won’t tell him.'"

Of the ensuing legal strategy, a senior administration told the paper that the theory was: "Just roll everybody up who is willing to do it into a clown car, and when it’s time for a press conference, roll them out."

The paper confirmed that, on the night of the election, Mr Trump was enraged by Fox News being the first network to call Arizona for Joe Biden - a call which ultimately proved correct - and that he ordered his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, to ring Rupert Murdoch and demand a retraction.

In the days that followed Mr Trump surrounded himself by people who told him what he wanted to hear, the paper reported, such as campaign pollster John McLaughlin, who told the president of a poll he had conducted after the election that showed Mr Trump with a positive approval rating and a majority in the country who thought the media had been "unfair and biased against him".

"Trump scrambled for an escape hatch from reality," the authors write.

Thanksgiving was spent for the first time at the White House, further insulating him from the real world. He played golf in the morning and spent part of the day calling advisers to ask if they believed he really had lost the election.

"You really have to understand Trump’s psychology," said Anthony Scaramucci, a longtime Trump associate and former White House communications director, who has now distanced himself from the president. 

"The classic symptoms of an outsider is, there has to be a conspiracy. It’s not my shortcomings, but there’s a cabal against me. That’s why he’s prone to these conspiracy theories."

Perhaps most telling is the number of insiders who have tried to distance themselves from the spectacle.

There was no mention in The Washington Post story of Mike Pence, the vice president, nor his daughter Ivanka. 

The Trump campaign had arranged for deputy campaign manager Justin Clark, Justin Riemer, the Republican National Committee counsel and others to make plans for post-election litigation.

The two men had readied a series of law firms across the country for possible recounts and ballot challenges

The self-declared "elite strike-force" team of Rudy Giuliani, Jenna Ellis and Sidney Powell - since dropped - were not involved.

"Literally only the fringy of the fringe are willing to do pressers, and that’s when it became clear there was no ‘there’ there," a senior administration official told the paper.

Many of the other lawyers felt that Mr Giuliani seemed “deranged” and ill-prepared to litigate, a source said.

Mr Giuliani and Ms Ellis were “performing for an audience of one,” and Mr Trump held Mr Giuliani in high regard as “a fighter” and as “his peer.”

On 13 November, Mr Giuliani and Ms Ellis staged what a senior administration official called “a hostile takeover” of what remained of the Trump campaign.

Mr Trump called Mr Giuliani from the Oval Office while other advisers were present, including Mr Pence; White House counsel Pat Cipollone; Johnny McEntee, the director of presidential personnel; and Mr Clark, the deputy campaign manager who had laid the legal foundations for the challenges.

Mr Giuliani, on speakerphone, told the president that he could win and that his other advisers were lying to him about his chances. Mr Clark called Mr Giuliani "an expletive," the paper reported, and said he was feeding the president bad information.

The following day, 14 November, Mr Trump tweeted that Mr Giuliani, Ms Ellis, Ms Powell and others were now in charge of his legal strategy. 

Ms Ellis arrived at the campaign’s Arlington headquarters and told employees that they must now listen to her and Mr Giuliani, the paper reported.

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Mr Clark and Jason Miller, an aide to the president, objected and so Ms Ellis threatened to call Mr Trump - to which Mr Miller replied: “Sure, let’s do this,” said a campaign adviser.

Ultimately Mr Giuliani and Ms Ellis were victorious.

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Re: 2020 Election Aftermath Thread
« Reply #124 on: November 30, 2020, 11:18:54 AM »
It’s also cute your effort to dismiss my (less than subtle) insinuation of improper use of Presidential clemency in throwing out a meaningless statistic. Nonetheless, thank you for validating my point within the context of your own citation.

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Looking at the same data another way, Trump has granted clemency to less than half of 1% of the more than 10,000 people who petitioned him for it through the end of the 2020 fiscal year (which ended Sept. 30), according to the Justice Department. That, too, is the lowest percentage of any president on record

While rare so far, Trump’s use of presidential clemency has caused controversy because of the nature of his pardons and commutations. Many of Trump’s clemency recipients have had a “personal or political connection to the president,” according to a July analysis by the Lawfare blog, and he has often circumvented the formal process through which clemency requests are typically considered. 

None of that was intended. I didn't get the insinuation of "improper".  "Controversial" isn't "improper".   Bill Clinton pardoned his (half) brother, and Marc Rich, whose wife had close ties to the Democractic Party.   Ford pardoned Nixon, the President that selected him to be Vice President. Casper Weinberger and six others who were involved in Iran-Contra by H.W. Bush, whose name may actually have come up in the subsequent trial (which didn't happen because of the pardons).

What would be improper?     
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« Reply #125 on: November 30, 2020, 11:26:00 AM »
These reports might be false of course, but if true, is it really possible that Trump is actually a deluded fantasist who genuinely believes he really won the election?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/election-results-trump-king-george-b1763487.html?amp

"Trump was ‘muttering, I won, I won, like ‘Mad King George’ after election defeat, report says"

I've taken to ignoring any article that uses the descriptor "unhinged".  I know I'm alone in this, but I'm a student of the language used; it's now the shorthand for hyperbolizing the President's tactics (and a personal favorite of Jake Tapper).

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« Reply #126 on: November 30, 2020, 11:34:37 AM »
It’s also cute your effort to dismiss my (less than subtle) insinuation of improper use of Presidential clemency in throwing out a meaningless statistic. Nonetheless, thank you for validating my point within the context of your own citation.

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Looking at the same data another way, Trump has granted clemency to less than half of 1% of the more than 10,000 people who petitioned him for it through the end of the 2020 fiscal year (which ended Sept. 30), according to the Justice Department. That, too, is the lowest percentage of any president on record

While rare so far, Trump’s use of presidential clemency has caused controversy because of the nature of his pardons and commutations. Many of Trump’s clemency recipients have had a “personal or political connection to the president,” according to a July analysis by the Lawfare blog, and he has often circumvented the formal process through which clemency requests are typically considered. 

None of that was intended. I didn't get the insinuation of "improper".  "Controversial" isn't "improper".   Bill Clinton pardoned his (half) brother, and Marc Rich, whose wife had close ties to the Democractic Party.   Ford pardoned Nixon, the President that selected him to be Vice President. Casper Weinberger and six others who were involved in Iran-Contra by H.W. Bush, whose name may actually have come up in the subsequent trial (which didn't happen because of the parsons).

What would be improper?   

I guess it was just my own personal belief of 'proper-ness'.  But, when it comes to the Presidential pardon, all's fair I suppose (no snark).  Guess it truly does pay to have friends in high places.
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« Reply #127 on: November 30, 2020, 11:42:38 AM »
It’s also cute your effort to dismiss my (less than subtle) insinuation of improper use of Presidential clemency in throwing out a meaningless statistic. Nonetheless, thank you for validating my point within the context of your own citation.

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Looking at the same data another way, Trump has granted clemency to less than half of 1% of the more than 10,000 people who petitioned him for it through the end of the 2020 fiscal year (which ended Sept. 30), according to the Justice Department. That, too, is the lowest percentage of any president on record

While rare so far, Trump’s use of presidential clemency has caused controversy because of the nature of his pardons and commutations. Many of Trump’s clemency recipients have had a “personal or political connection to the president,” according to a July analysis by the Lawfare blog, and he has often circumvented the formal process through which clemency requests are typically considered. 

None of that was intended. I didn't get the insinuation of "improper".  "Controversial" isn't "improper".   Bill Clinton pardoned his (half) brother, and Marc Rich, whose wife had close ties to the Democractic Party.   Ford pardoned Nixon, the President that selected him to be Vice President. Casper Weinberger and six others who were involved in Iran-Contra by H.W. Bush, whose name may actually have come up in the subsequent trial (which didn't happen because of the parsons).

What would be improper?   

I guess it was just my own personal belief of 'proper-ness'.  But, when it comes to the Presidential pardon, all's fair I suppose (no snark).  Guess it truly does pay to have friends in high places.

I don't mean to give you a hard time, I really don't.  Nothing to do with you, but to me it just seems another thing to attack Trump on while overlooking that he's not really doing anything that hasn't been done before (and will most likely be done again).  That doesn't make it right, of course, but let's have the conversation as to whether it's right or wrong independent of one of (if not THE) most polarizing political figure this country has seen in a LONG time. 

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« Reply #128 on: December 04, 2020, 11:05:47 AM »
I'm fascinated to see if Trump will actually veto the NDAA because Twitter is being mean to him. This is such a wonderful example of how petty and childish he is, but it's now so commonplace that few are even taking notice. He doubled down on his veto threat this morning, and even blasted one of his most loyal GOP sycophants for not caving to him.

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The funny thing is that, even though nobody knows more about the cyber than he does, he's clueless as to how 230 actually works. This despite the fact that his own legal team has invoked it in his defense numerous times. He's literally hidden behind it (and rightly so). This guy really is a retarded idiot.
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« Reply #129 on: December 09, 2020, 07:17:48 PM »
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/09/states-tell-supreme-court-they-support-texas-bid-to-reverse-biden-win.html

Seventeen fucking states supporting this absurdity. Having accepted that this sham democracy of ours is a joke, I actually find this quite comical. Like, Cohen Brothers funny. Ken Paxton absolutely knows that this lawsuit of his is bogus. I think anybody with connections is able to graduate with a JD.  I don't, however, think you can pass the bar exam and not realize that this is fighting a lost cause. The deal is, though, he's also fighting several federal charges for securities fraud. The guy's a well known huckster.* And while he's been ducking the securities case for five years now, other scandals are popping up around him. Today is simply wagging the dog. It's also wagging the dog in a way that might earn him a pardon, though, if the person in charge of granting pardons happens to be a shallow, self-absorbed conman himself. This is incredibly transparent. The joke is that 17 other states actually believe in him. They don't seem to realize that he's totally not serious about this.

BTW, this is the same law and order republican who paid the fine for a woman who was rightly jailed for calling a press conference so that her contempt of court would be televised.

Seriously, I just can't believe how fucking stupid this shithole of a country actually is. It boggles the mind. What a time to be alive.  :lol

*Seriously, does this look like an honest guy to anybody? (That's a mugshot, BTW. Politicans always take the best mugshots.) Every single picture of him has that same crooked smile like he's trying to sell you a second hand Camaro.
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« Reply #130 on: December 09, 2020, 07:22:56 PM »
He looks like Bobby Boucher's uncle.





Seriously, I just can't believe how fucking stupid this shithole of a country actually is. It boggles the mind.

It really does. People are fucking stupid.
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« Reply #131 on: December 09, 2020, 08:37:03 PM »
Canada doesn’t look so bad now, eh?   :biggrin:
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« Reply #132 on: December 10, 2020, 10:04:58 AM »
I worry about this, though.  There's got to be something more to it.  Maybe not on the part of Paxton himself, but the involvement of the other AsG.   This isn't a Hail Mary, since Hail Mary's don't have consequences, and I think these actions will.  There are other ways of pandering to Trump (if that's what this is) without getting so much mud on your pants. 

I'm not at all sure I know what the answer is, but the more basic assessments don't seem to fit, which tells me something's got to give. 

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« Reply #133 on: December 10, 2020, 10:10:24 AM »
I worry about this, though.  There's got to be something more to it.  Maybe not on the part of Paxton himself, but the involvement of the other AsG.   This isn't a Hail Mary, since Hail Mary's don't have consequences, and I think these actions will.  There are other ways of pandering to Trump (if that's what this is) without getting so much mud on your pants. 

I'm not at all sure I know what the answer is, but the more basic assessments don't seem to fit, which tells me something's got to give.
I think it's probably entirely pandering. And as far as I know there are no actual consequences for wasting the court's time. Paxton's made a living filing pointless appeals. Most recently the ACA thing, which never really had any chance of succeeding. While there certainly are dire consequences for the nation, I think they've already happened due to the entire farce that Trump is perpetrating. The damage is to the democratic process, and that was done well before Paxton's publicity stunt.
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Re: 2020 Election Aftermath Thread
« Reply #134 on: December 10, 2020, 10:30:14 AM »
I worry about this, though.  There's got to be something more to it.  Maybe not on the part of Paxton himself, but the involvement of the other AsG.   This isn't a Hail Mary, since Hail Mary's don't have consequences, and I think these actions will.  There are other ways of pandering to Trump (if that's what this is) without getting so much mud on your pants. 

I'm not at all sure I know what the answer is, but the more basic assessments don't seem to fit, which tells me something's got to give.
I think it's probably entirely pandering. And as far as I know there are no actual consequences for wasting the court's time. Paxton's made a living filing pointless appeals. Most recently the ACA thing, which never really had any chance of succeeding. While there certainly are dire consequences for the nation, I think they've already happened due to the entire farce that Trump is perpetrating. The damage is to the democratic process, and that was done well before Paxton's publicity stunt.

I think in some of the other states, though, there will be.  These local elections are a whole different ballgame than the national ones.   My asshole Attorney General should have been a shoo-in, being a chip off the ol' Richard Blumenthal block, and he was, relatively speaking, but the margin of victory was only 80,000.  That's a lot of eggs in one basket for some of these Attorneys General, and for what gain?  Do any of these people think Trump is actually going to stump for them come 2022 or 2024? 

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Re: 2020 Election Aftermath Thread
« Reply #135 on: December 10, 2020, 10:32:44 AM »
I worry about this, though.  There's got to be something more to it.  Maybe not on the part of Paxton himself, but the involvement of the other AsG.   This isn't a Hail Mary, since Hail Mary's don't have consequences, and I think these actions will.  There are other ways of pandering to Trump (if that's what this is) without getting so much mud on your pants. 

I'm not at all sure I know what the answer is, but the more basic assessments don't seem to fit, which tells me something's got to give.
I think it's probably entirely pandering. And as far as I know there are no actual consequences for wasting the court's time. Paxton's made a living filing pointless appeals. Most recently the ACA thing, which never really had any chance of succeeding. While there certainly are dire consequences for the nation, I think they've already happened due to the entire farce that Trump is perpetrating. The damage is to the democratic process, and that was done well before Paxton's publicity stunt.

I think in some of the other states, though, there will be.  These local elections are a whole different ballgame than the national ones.   My asshole Attorney General should have been a shoo-in, being a chip off the ol' Richard Blumenthal block, and he was, relatively speaking, but the margin of victory was only 80,000.  That's a lot of eggs in one basket for some of these Attorneys General, and for what gain?  Do any of these people think Trump is actually going to stump for them come 2022 or 2024?

I think they realize that Trump will likely hold considerable sway over a majority of the voters there, based at least on this past election. They might be hedging their bets. Either way, there are more people in their states that will support them for this than turn against them. I doubt they have a ton to lose.
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Re: 2020 Election Aftermath Thread
« Reply #136 on: December 10, 2020, 10:40:53 AM »
Right. It's not like the AG of California is backing Paxton in this. Knuckleheads in red states will be thrilled if their guys support Trump in any way. Hell, two thirds of republicans think the election was rigged. The remaining third aren't going to decide to vote democrat just because their Governor signed onto an amicus brief supporting this lunacy.
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« Reply #137 on: December 10, 2020, 10:42:39 AM »
Well, those are the key assumptions, aren't they:   how many voters are swayed by TRUMP specifically (and not just anti- the alternative) and how long will Trump carry that influence.   I'm pretty sure that of all of us here, I think my assumptions are the least on the former, and the shortest on the latter. 

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« Reply #138 on: December 10, 2020, 10:45:30 AM »
Well, those are the key assumptions, aren't they:   how many voters are swayed by TRUMP specifically (and not just anti- the alternative) and how long will Trump carry that influence.   I'm pretty sure that of all of us here, I think my assumptions are the least on the former, and the shortest on the latter.

I don't think either of those things matter though. Whether they are specifically and SOLELY swayed by Trump means nothing. If they are anti-the alternative, Trump is the poster boy for that since almost all there is to him is being anti-the alternative. So I'd say Trump will STILL hold considerable sway. And even if he doesn't, being pro-Trump is being anti-democrat. That's enough for most people, being anti-the other. So it works out either way.

And I don't think they care if Trump holds sway for the next year, or 5 years, or 10 years, or next week. Again, they have nothing to lose. Their people won't consider this a huge problem, at least not enough people to cause any concerns for them.
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Re: 2020 Election Aftermath Thread
« Reply #139 on: December 10, 2020, 10:54:35 AM »
Well, those are the key assumptions, aren't they:   how many voters are swayed by TRUMP specifically (and not just anti- the alternative) and how long will Trump carry that influence.   I'm pretty sure that of all of us here, I think my assumptions are the least on the former, and the shortest on the latter.
I think you'd find a pretty close breakdown between your two groups and the people who think the election was either a sham or a legit. The sensible republicans who think Trump was just the better of two poor choices are almost certainly not the ones waiving "STOP THE STEAL" signs in front of people's houses at zero-dark-thirty.
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