Is it OK if some people don't want to have kids?

[WildRanger]

What do you think? Is it acceptable to you or not?
And do you personally know some couples who wanted to be children-free?

[MirrorMask]

Of course it's more than acceptable and frankly, it's about time that mankind accepts this simple truth.

Some people - be them women, or couples - don't want to have kids. That's fine. There will always be other couples who will want to have kids, we won't become extinct anytime soon.

"But kids are the greatest joy in life"... yeah, but some people don't want to have kids. "But you will regret it..." maybe, but some people don't want to have kids. "But how can you not want..." SOME - PEOPLE - DON'T - WANT - TO - HAVE - KIDS. Accept it and move on.

[The Walrus]

yes

/thread

[Zydar]

God yes.

[cramx3]

I'd like to know the opinion of the person voting no.

[Anguyen92]

The answer is yes, but to expand on that.  While having children is a great joy to see their smiles and all, there's a form of responsibility that parents has to hold to and there are just plenty of people out there that do not want that responsibility in that moment they do not want kids and that's ok.

[MirrorMask]

The answer is yes, but to expand on that.  While having children is a great joy to see their smiles and all, there's a form of responsibility that parents has to hold to and there are just plenty of people out there that do not want that responsibility in that moment they do not want kids and that's ok.

I'll double on this and add that TOO MANY PEOPLE sadly don't understand they're not fit to take on that responsability.

[cramx3]

Anyone ever see the movie Idiocracy?  The basis is that the smart people realize they don't want kids but the dumb people keep producing so the world changes to become really really stupid.  It often feels like reality where many stupid people don't realize how hard it is to raise kids and they are the ones who have the most. 

Here's the opening scene that explains the premise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA    it's a really funny movie

[Skeever]

Anyone ever see the movie Idiocracy?  The basis is that the smart people realize they don't want kids but the dumb people keep producing so the world changes to become really really stupid.  It often feels like reality where many stupid people don't realize how hard it is to raise kids and they are the ones who have the most. 

Here's the opening scene that explains the premise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA    it's a really funny movie

Might seem this way, but it's impossible to have more than one kid and not realize how hard they are. Those parents probably aren't stupid, it just looks like that from the outside as the childrearing has likely fried their brains.

[MirrorMask]

Anyone ever see the movie Idiocracy?  The basis is that the smart people realize they don't want kids but the dumb people keep producing so the world changes to become really really stupid.  It often feels like reality where many stupid people don't realize how hard it is to raise kids and they are the ones who have the most. 

Here's the opening scene that explains the premise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA    it's a really funny movie

Correction: it WAS a funny movie. Now it's just a eerie reminder of where our society is headed.

But President Camacho would have been a better one than #45 - he actually sought an expert in times of crisis and listened to his advice 

[ThatOneGuy2112]

I'd like to know the opinion of the person voting no.

Seconded.

[Elite]

Why would my opinion on somebody's own choice even matter?

so:

yes

/thread

[cramx3]

Anyone ever see the movie Idiocracy?  The basis is that the smart people realize they don't want kids but the dumb people keep producing so the world changes to become really really stupid.  It often feels like reality where many stupid people don't realize how hard it is to raise kids and they are the ones who have the most. 

Here's the opening scene that explains the premise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA    it's a really funny movie

Might seem this way, but it's impossible to have more than one kid and not realize how hard they are. Those parents probably aren't stupid, it just looks like that from the outside as the childrearing has likely fried their brains.

Sure if you are committed to the family, but lots of people sadly are not which is more of what I was referring to as the "dumb people" because they have babies and don't live up to the commitment of being a father, but will go off and do it again.

[kirksnosehair]

OK, my answer on this may seem a little weird, but yes, of course it's perfectly fine if someone doesn't want to have children.  I have a 33-year-old son and two grandchildren but if I'd had my way he wouldn't exist.  I was a much, much different person back then and I was in no shape to handle being a parent.  And, in the end, I never really was a parent to him because I was not a part of his life until he became an adult.  Why and how that all unfolded the way it did is a story for another day.  Now, today, as a 56 year old grandpa I am thrilled that I have a son and a granddaughter and a grandson, but they exist only because the rubber broke and that's no joke.  That's how she got knocked up and no matter how hard I tried to talk her into ending the pregnancy she wanted to keep it so that's what she did.  She raised him, I supported him financially until he was 23 and he joined the Navy.  He got out of the Navy and now he's a parole officer.     What are the odds? 




I think a lot of people who have no business having kids are mostly the ones having kids, unfortunately.  Kids having kids.  I have a 30 year old niece who has a 17 year old daughter.  Nope, that's not a typo.  Like I said, kids having kids.  That's never a good idea and it almost always ends in a maladjusted, dysfunctional kid who grows up to be a terrible parent and the cycle just keeps on going.  I'm now watching the 3rd generation of my wife's extended family kill themselves with heroin and meth.  All we can do is watch it unfold and pick up the pieces when they eventually go to jail.   The "pieces" being all of my great nieces and nephews whose completely fucked-up parents would rather smoke crack and spend the night crawling around on the carpet doing the pebble patrol than you know, like, feeding their kids. 


I see way too much of this up close and it's tragic.  I think you should have to get a license or something to become a parent. Seriously. 

[hefdaddy42]

Is it OK if some people don't want to have kids?

What the hell kind of question is this?

[pg1067]

What do you think? Is it acceptable to you or not?
And do you personally know some couples who wanted to be children-free?

This is utterly absurd.  Of course it's acceptable for folks not to want to have kids.  In fact, there are lots of people who are too damn stupid to procreate.

I've known a guy who, since high school, hasn't wanted to have kids.  He got a vasectomy in his early 20s.  I'm not terribly close with him, but I see no indication that he regrets that decision.

I'd like to know the opinion of the person voting no.

+1

[emtee]

Is it OK if some people don't want to have kids?

What the hell kind of question is this?

+1

[MirrorMask]

I think you should have to get a license or something to become a parent. Seriously.

I fully support the general and abstract concept of monitoring who is fit to be a parent and who is not. The problem is that there isn't, and there will never, ever, ever be, a just, rational, fair and humane method to determine that. So it's impossible to implement any kind of "license" about it. But it would be nice to have one.

[King Postwhore]

Is it OK if some people don't want to have kids?

What the hell kind of question is this?

See, Freewill is those who don't want kids.

Red Barchetta is made to transport a family of 4. 

[cramx3]

I think you should have to get a license or something to become a parent. Seriously.

I fully support the general and abstract concept of monitoring who is fit to be a parent and who is not. The problem is that there isn't, and there will never, ever, ever be, a just, rational, fair and humane method to determine that. So it's impossible to implement any kind of "license" about it. But it would be nice to have one.

Yea, it's a nice idea but backfires in the face of my belief in personal freedoms.

[pg1067]

I think you should have to get a license or something to become a parent. Seriously.

I fully support the general and abstract concept of monitoring who is fit to be a parent and who is not. The problem is that there isn't, and there will never, ever, ever be, a just, rational, fair and humane method to determine that. So it's impossible to implement any kind of "license" about it. But it would be nice to have one.

Yup.

[Elite]

Is it acceptable to you or not?

By the way: 'acceptable' !? What the fuck? Are you even serious?

[H2]

Sure it's OK. I used to think this would be my path. Now I want to have many kids (maybe seven minimum). I do think people can "know" they never want kids one year, then "know" they want kids the next.

Also, the govt should stay the f--- out of people's personal family decisions (whom to marry, how many kids to have, how many people to marry, everything!).

[wolfking]

I take offence at this thread.

[wolfking]

Anyone ever see the movie Idiocracy?  The basis is that the smart people realize they don't want kids but the dumb people keep producing so the world changes to become really really stupid.  It often feels like reality where many stupid people don't realize how hard it is to raise kids and they are the ones who have the most. 

Here's the opening scene that explains the premise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA    it's a really funny movie

Yes have seen it and sadly I think it's slowly becoming a reality.

[Stadler]

I'd like to know the opinion of the person voting no.

I want it clear it was NOT me. 


I do maintain though that for better or worse it's the person's prerogative to decide.  If they can have an abortion, they can decide to keep it, too.   I don't support any government intervention in that.  If you can vote, you can fuck, is how I see it. 

[wolfking]

I think you should have to get a license or something to become a parent. Seriously.

I fully support the general and abstract concept of monitoring who is fit to be a parent and who is not. The problem is that there isn't, and there will never, ever, ever be, a just, rational, fair and humane method to determine that. So it's impossible to implement any kind of "license" about it. But it would be nice to have one.

Absolutely.  If this were the case, there would be a LOT less people in the world.

[dparrott]

I wanted kids on principle, but as life went on I saw how much easier it is to be kid free.  Saves A LOT less money and hassle.  I've been a cat daddy for many years, that's fine with me.

[Dublagent66]

Yes, of course.  Why wouldn't it be ok and who has the right to say no it's not ok?  I think the OP just likes to post meaningless crap in order to sit back and watch the fallout of annoyed forum members. 

I'd like to know the opinion of the person voting no.

Yeah, me too.  It's probably someone who should not have reproduced. 

[cramx3]

I wanted kids on principle, but as life went on I saw how much easier it is to be kid free.  Saves A LOT less money and hassle.  I've been a cat daddy for many years, that's fine with me.

Cat Daddies unite!  Almost all my friends have a child or two now.  They all say it's the best thing in the world.  Yet, they also say they are jealous of my single life at the same time.  I don't think there's a right or wrong here, just got to be yourself and if that means having children, so be it, and if that means no kids, so be it.

[wolfking]

My outlook on life is pretty twisted and bleak, but I just really would feel horrible and selfish bringing life into this cruel, fucked up, cesspool of a world.  It just wouldn't be fair.

[The Walrus]

My outlook on life is pretty twisted and bleak, but I just really would feel horrible and selfish bringing life into this cruel, fucked up, cesspool of a world.  It just wouldn't be fair.

100% the same, buddy. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for my friends who are now raising babies or have kids going into school... but fuck, man. The world is screwed up in so many ways, and there's just no way I could bring a kid into it, personally. More power to those that can.

[Nick]

Is it okay? Frankly it should be encouraged. I consider myself pretty eco minded, and while I take recycling home from work to make sure it is recycled properly, buy my power from a company that deals in 100% wind energy, and then power an electric car with some of that energy none of that has nearly the same environmental impact as our decision not to have children.

I'm not saying this to come out against those who have kids or want them, but as a society in our laws (via benefits for having kids throughout multiple areas) and just in general we need to stop glorifying and rewarding having children. We're centuries past the point where the primal reasons for that desire needs to be reflected in everything for our survival.

[wolfking]

My outlook on life is pretty twisted and bleak, but I just really would feel horrible and selfish bringing life into this cruel, fucked up, cesspool of a world.  It just wouldn't be fair.

100% the same, buddy. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for my friends who are now raising babies or have kids going into school... but fuck, man. The world is screwed up in so many ways, and there's just no way I could bring a kid into it, personally. More power to those that can.

It's good to know there's others out there with the same outlook.  The world is getting worse so if I had a kid and when they turn my age, who knows how much worse this place will be. 

The sacrifice for it though has been as you say, all old friends of mine have kids also so as time goes by, we don't connect as much.  I knows others do as their kids go to the same school or if they are younger have play dates and shit and unfortunately it feels like I have less in common because I don't have kids.  Still not something I'd change my decision for but I guess there's pros and cons of both sides.  The amount of money I've saved and the easy lifestyle I live, others with kids would fucking kill for.

[Stadler]

My outlook on life is pretty twisted and bleak, but I just really would feel horrible and selfish bringing life into this cruel, fucked up, cesspool of a world.  It just wouldn't be fair.

THIS IS NOT ARGUMENT.   

But I'd love to talk that over sometime.  I get the concept/idea, but I'm of two minds.  I know for me, it was purely selfish, I wanted to pass on my stellar genes it wasn't really conscious.  I waited until I was 33 before I had my daughter, and it was all those things that you hear - best thing ever, changed my life, etc. etc. - but I also lived enough as an adult that I totally see the opposite.   SO MUCH of my life would be different if I didn't have a kid.  I'd've lived overseas for sure, I would have moved more for work, I would have been divorced a LOT earlier, I'd be significantly more wealthy, etc.     But FOR ME, I am a more compassionate, understanding person, I'm a better man and partner, and I'm a more SOBER man for having a kid.  At the end of the day, I am proud of how my daughter, even at the tender age of 19, is doing her part to make the world a better place than how she found it. 

Again, don't take this for argument; I get you, and I support your position 1000% (the right to have it).   I'm really just offering a point of view and with that, suggesting pretty strongly that it IS a personal decision, and the rationale, at the end of the day, doesn't really matter and neither point of view really ought to be "encouraged" except to equalize them.